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dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Skitzer

Any opinions on what he said or why he said it?

Hmmm... Maybe it's because he's right. It's no secret that there are numerous potential political, social and financial threats to our nation and the world, many of which are the direct fault of your Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals and war profiteers, and many of which will only get worse riding on McCain's Double Talk Express.

We're threatened by radical Islamic terrorists.

We're threatened by a global collapse of our financial institutions.

We'r threatened by social inequality.

We're threatened by environmental catastrophies.

We're threatened by our failing infrastructure.

Would you feel safer and more secure if he sugar coated those threats? How strongly would you blast him and Obama if they did that, now, and then turned around and told the harder truth, later? :confused:

We can't know if an Obama/Biden administration can resolve all of them before the fact. All we can do is vote for the leaders we believe are best equipped to try. In no way is that John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Harvey pretty much nails it all.

Our military is so depleted and stretched thin Obama will have no choice but to start a draft.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Skitzer

Any opinions on what he said or why he said it?

Hmmm... Maybe it's because he's right. It's no secret that there are numerous potential political, social and financial threats to our nation and the world, many of which are the direct fault of your Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals and war profiteers, and many of which will only get worse riding on McCain's Double Talk Express.

We're threatened by radical Islamic terrorists.

We're threatened by a global collapse of our financial institutions.

We'r threatened by social inequality.

We're threatened by environmental catastrophies.

We're threatened by our failing infrastructure.

Would you feel safer and more secure if he sugar coated those threats? How strongly would you blast him and Obama if they did that, now, and then turned around and told the harder truth, later? :confused:

We can't know if an Obama/Biden administration can resolve all of them before the fact. All we can do is vote for the leaders we believe are best equipped to try. In no way is that John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Harvey pretty much nails it all.

Our military is so depleted and stretched thin Obama will have no choice but to start a draft.

Really? What war is Obama planning that we will need to reinstate the draft?

 

Dari

Lifer
Oct 25, 2002
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Skitzer

Any opinions on what he said or why he said it?

Hmmm... Maybe it's because he's right. It's no secret that there are numerous potential political, social and financial threats to our nation and the world, many of which are the direct fault of your Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals and war profiteers, and many of which will only get worse riding on McCain's Double Talk Express.

We're threatened by radical Islamic terrorists.

We're threatened by a global collapse of our financial institutions.

We'r threatened by social inequality.

We're threatened by environmental catastrophies.

We're threatened by our failing infrastructure.

Would you feel safer and more secure if he sugar coated those threats? How strongly would you blast him and Obama if they did that, now, and then turned around and told the harder truth, later? :confused:

We can't know if an Obama/Biden administration can resolve all of them before the fact. All we can do is vote for the leaders we believe are best equipped to try. In no way is that John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Harvey pretty much nails it all.

Our military is so depleted and stretched thin Obama will have no choice but to start a draft.

Really? What war is Obama planning that we will need to reinstate the draft?

Who said anything about planning? Biden and dmcowen674's point is one of mental preparation. BTW, what do you suggest we do if China invades Taiwan? What should we do with the soldiers in your precious Iraq?
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: brencat
Originally posted by: Skitzer
This is very scary. He needs to keep his mouth shut if he plans on helping Obama.
Check this out if you haven't already.
Link

Any opinions on what he said or why he said it?

It's typical Joe Biden diarriya of the mouth. Although his comments certainly don't put at ease those still undecided voters trying to determine if the least experienced presidential candidate ever is up to the job.

I hope he keeps talking crap. McCain FTW :D

If you suppot McCain, you have bigger problems that the topic at hand.

Least experienced? The presidency is less about 'experience' than about other attributes.

It's easy to find good presidents without and with 'executive experience' and 'government experience' and bad presidents with and iwthout both too.

Ulysses S. Grant had plenty of 'executive experience' as the leader of our nation's military in our most devastating war, and yet, was he very effective as chief executive?

Abraham Lincoln, his boss, had no 'executive experience' and similar congressional experience to Obama, yet he had skills for the chief executive position - such that 150 years later, a book was recently written about how good he was, doing things such as putting his most talented competitors in his cabinet.

So your attacks on Obama are evading the important issue of Obama's skill at leading as best we can determine, and instead playing the debate game pretending it's so simple as the basic numbers and other 'gotcha' lines, which are solely driven by partisan propaganda to look for any point that our side wins on.

What has the campaign shown us about McCain - not his 'years in the Senate' you imply make him the better president? His abandoning of quality for crass politics in the selection of a radical right woman running mate, who is a danger to the country as president, and highly dishonest to boot? His chaotic campaign, suspended repeatedly for political stunts, throwing out 'new proposals' recklessly to try for attention, going from 'the fundamentals of the economy are fine' to 'the economy is in crisis' in two hours?

What this debate really shows is the pointlessness of any discussion with the right-wing cult members who support McCain for ideological reasons and who are not too rational about it.
 

OCGuy

Lifer
Jul 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Skitzer

Any opinions on what he said or why he said it?

Hmmm... Maybe it's because he's right. It's no secret that there are numerous potential political, social and financial threats to our nation and the world, many of which are the direct fault of your Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals and war profiteers, and many of which will only get worse riding on McCain's Double Talk Express.

We're threatened by radical Islamic terrorists.

We're threatened by a global collapse of our financial institutions.

We'r threatened by social inequality.

We're threatened by environmental catastrophies.

We're threatened by our failing infrastructure.

Would you feel safer and more secure if he sugar coated those threats? How strongly would you blast him and Obama if they did that, now, and then turned around and told the harder truth, later? :confused:

We can't know if an Obama/Biden administration can resolve all of them before the fact. All we can do is vote for the leaders we believe are best equipped to try. In no way is that John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Harvey pretty much nails it all.

Our military is so depleted and stretched thin Obama will have no choice but to start a draft.

Really? What war is Obama planning that we will need to reinstate the draft?

Who said anything about planning? Biden and dmcowen674's point is one of mental preparation. BTW, what do you suggest we do if China invades Taiwan? What should we do with the soldiers in your precious Iraq?


I would hope to gawd that we let China invade Taiwan. You want an armed conflict with China? That is about as ignorant as it gets.
 

Dari

Lifer
Oct 25, 2002
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Skitzer

Any opinions on what he said or why he said it?

Hmmm... Maybe it's because he's right. It's no secret that there are numerous potential political, social and financial threats to our nation and the world, many of which are the direct fault of your Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals and war profiteers, and many of which will only get worse riding on McCain's Double Talk Express.

We're threatened by radical Islamic terrorists.

We're threatened by a global collapse of our financial institutions.

We'r threatened by social inequality.

We're threatened by environmental catastrophies.

We're threatened by our failing infrastructure.

Would you feel safer and more secure if he sugar coated those threats? How strongly would you blast him and Obama if they did that, now, and then turned around and told the harder truth, later? :confused:

We can't know if an Obama/Biden administration can resolve all of them before the fact. All we can do is vote for the leaders we believe are best equipped to try. In no way is that John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Harvey pretty much nails it all.

Our military is so depleted and stretched thin Obama will have no choice but to start a draft.

Really? What war is Obama planning that we will need to reinstate the draft?

Who said anything about planning? Biden and dmcowen674's point is one of mental preparation. BTW, what do you suggest we do if China invades Taiwan? What should we do with the soldiers in your precious Iraq?


I would hope to gawd that we let China invade Taiwan. You want an armed conflict with China? That is about as ignorant as it gets.

Protecting Taiwan is American law. But I get it: you're too pussy to fight a real country (even though it's legal) but you want to go gung-ho over a weak country that we had no business fighting. Puss.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Dari

Protecting Taiwan is American law. But I get it: you're too pussy to fight a real country (even though it's legal) but you want to go gung-ho over a weak country that we had no business fighting. Puss.

Nice warmongering. Yes, we have a treaty to defend Taiwan, but Im fairly certain we wouldnt, thankfully.

Yea, lets get into a nuclear conflict so we are all carbon particles! That will show we arent "pussy", as you so intelligently put it.
 

Dari

Lifer
Oct 25, 2002
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Nice warmongering. Yes, we have a treaty to defend Taiwan, but Im fairly certain we wouldnt, thankfully.

Yea, lets get into a nuclear conflict so we are all carbon particles! That will show we arent "pussy", as you so intelligently put it.

It isn't warmongering. It would be a defensive war. But, again, you have no problem attacking weak nations but is easily scared of the big boys. You would cower in fear instead of fighting. BTW, if you don't like that scenerio, then why the fuck would you support the neo-conservative agenda of Bush and McCain?
 

OCGuy

Lifer
Jul 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Nice warmongering. Yes, we have a treaty to defend Taiwan, but Im fairly certain we wouldnt, thankfully.

Yea, lets get into a nuclear conflict so we are all carbon particles! That will show we arent "pussy", as you so intelligently put it.

It isn't warmongering. It would be a defensive war. But, again, you have no problem attacking weak nations but is easily scared of the big boys. You would cower in fear instead of fighting. BTW, if you don't like that scenerio, then why the fuck would you support the neo-conservative agenda of Bush and McCain?

I'll sit here patiently waiting to hear how I support any current conflict other than Afghanistan and the covert war on Wahhabi Islam.

Again, there is no such thing as a direct "war" with Russia, China, or France. Someone pulls the trigger, and we are all gone.
 

Dari

Lifer
Oct 25, 2002
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Nice warmongering. Yes, we have a treaty to defend Taiwan, but Im fairly certain we wouldnt, thankfully.

Yea, lets get into a nuclear conflict so we are all carbon particles! That will show we arent "pussy", as you so intelligently put it.

It isn't warmongering. It would be a defensive war. But, again, you have no problem attacking weak nations but is easily scared of the big boys. You would cower in fear instead of fighting. BTW, if you don't like that scenerio, then why the fuck would you support the neo-conservative agenda of Bush and McCain?

I'll sit here patiently waiting to hear how I support any current conflict other than Afghanistan and the covert war on Wahhabi Islam.

Again, there is no such thing as a direct "war" with Russia, China, or France. Someone pulls the trigger, and we are all gone.

Really? I don't see American troops in Saudi Arabia.
 

sciwizam

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Maybe Biden can better explain his words if he held a press conference.

In the past two days alone, Palin has answered questions from her national press corps on three separate occasions. On Saturday, she held another plane availability, and on Sunday, she offered an impromptu press conference on the tarmac upon landing in Colorado Springs. A few minutes later, she answered even more questions from reporters during an off-the-record stop at a local ice cream shop.

By contrast, Biden hasn?t held a press conference in more than a month, and Obama hasn?t taken questions from his full traveling press corps since the end of September. John McCain?who spent most of the primary season holding what seemed like one, never-ending media availability?hasn?t done one since Sept. 23.

" Palin accessible to media while Biden 'hasn't held press conference in more than month' "
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Skitzer
This is the paragraph that scares me!!

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

Especially the last sentence ...... what the hell is he a prophet?

Not going to be apparent that we're right....WTF is that supposed to mean? Does this mean that action may be take militarily that will seem to the world as an unjustified action? Thats what I get.
After seeing what Bush did with preemptive war I can see where you would think that

Rest assured that Obama had the intelligence and reasoning to oppose a preemptive war in the past. And he won't make those kinds of mistakes in the future.

Might want to loosen that tinfoil cap of yours in the meantime. Obama has been running against the very reasoning and intelligence that brought us elective wars to begin with.

Well, I'm glad your crystal ball has cleared up the DIRECT QUOTE from Biden. Thanks!

Your tin foil caps must be stuck to tightly to your head!!
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: sciwizam
Maybe Biden can better explain his words if he held a press conference.

In the past two days alone, Palin has answered questions from her national press corps on three separate occasions. On Saturday, she held another plane availability, and on Sunday, she offered an impromptu press conference on the tarmac upon landing in Colorado Springs. A few minutes later, she answered even more questions from reporters during an off-the-record stop at a local ice cream shop.

By contrast, Biden hasn?t held a press conference in more than a month, and Obama hasn?t taken questions from his full traveling press corps since the end of September. John McCain?who spent most of the primary season holding what seemed like one, never-ending media availability?hasn?t done one since Sept. 23.

" Palin accessible to media while Biden 'hasn't held press conference in more than month' "
And why should Biden hold any press conf's when he can just sit back and wait for Palin to shoot another cannonball into the Straight Talk Yacht until it sinks itself? ;)

 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: sciwizam
Maybe Biden can better explain his words if he held a press conference.

In the past two days alone, Palin has answered questions from her national press corps on three separate occasions. On Saturday, she held another plane availability, and on Sunday, she offered an impromptu press conference on the tarmac upon landing in Colorado Springs. A few minutes later, she answered even more questions from reporters during an off-the-record stop at a local ice cream shop.

By contrast, Biden hasn?t held a press conference in more than a month, and Obama hasn?t taken questions from his full traveling press corps since the end of September. John McCain?who spent most of the primary season holding what seemed like one, never-ending media availability?hasn?t done one since Sept. 23.

" Palin accessible to media while Biden 'hasn't held press conference in more than month' "

I'm sorry but you TOTALLY can't play THIS card considering Palin was no where to be seen for the first MONTH after McCain asked her to join his ticket.

give me an F'n break.

edit: and her media exposure is still VERY limited. So much so in fact that Joe the Plumber has done more interviews than Palin.

what a joke.
 

Dari

Lifer
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Originally posted by: sciwizam
Maybe Biden can better explain his words if he held a press conference.

In the past two days alone, Palin has answered questions from her national press corps on three separate occasions. On Saturday, she held another plane availability, and on Sunday, she offered an impromptu press conference on the tarmac upon landing in Colorado Springs. A few minutes later, she answered even more questions from reporters during an off-the-record stop at a local ice cream shop.

By contrast, Biden hasn?t held a press conference in more than a month, and Obama hasn?t taken questions from his full traveling press corps since the end of September. John McCain?who spent most of the primary season holding what seemed like one, never-ending media availability?hasn?t done one since Sept. 23.

" Palin accessible to media while Biden 'hasn't held press conference in more than month' "

Let her continue talking to the Press.

Palin disagrees with McCain regarding Gay marriage

Palin irritated by robocalls
 

alien42

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Regardless of Biden's comments, I can already smell the odor of the pro-war left.

the right wing war machine is an expensive and sloppy goliath that scars history.

the left war machine is a low cost, efficient and effective machine which is forgotten with time.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: alien42
Originally posted by: bamacre
Regardless of Biden's comments, I can already smell the odor of the pro-war left.

the right wing war machine is an expensive and sloppy goliath that scars history.

the left war machine is a low cost, efficient and effective machine which is forgotten with time.

Another lost to the divide.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: alien42
Originally posted by: bamacre
Regardless of Biden's comments, I can already smell the odor of the pro-war left.

the right wing war machine is an expensive and sloppy goliath that scars history.

the left war machine is a low cost, efficient and effective machine which is forgotten with time.

While war can sometimes be effective, it is never cheap, and never efficient.
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: alien42
Originally posted by: bamacre
Regardless of Biden's comments, I can already smell the odor of the pro-war left.

the right wing war machine is an expensive and sloppy goliath that scars history.

the left war machine is a low cost, efficient and effective machine which is forgotten with time.

While war can sometimes be effective, it is never cheap, and never efficient.

Stop trying to think up quotable quotes, because no one is ever going to quote you (except for now)
 

Lemon law

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This is just another case of GOP wing nuts trying to build mountains out of molehills. Another epic fail tempest in a lunch pail.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
This thread has been up for > 10 min and the Obamabots havent been able to justify this yet?

Summary:

There are lots of problems out there and they will need to be worked on immediately.
It is going to be very challenging to overcome them.
We need to work together as a single united nation and support each other if we are going to get through this and Obama and Biden are committed to help make that happen.


In a nutshell, that is really all Biden is saying and he omitted the pink bunny rabbits and chocolate sugar toppings. What kind of justification are you looking for? This isn't scary and it is hardly news. This is just the way it is no matter who gets elected. If you want to bicker about and analyze the political correctness of his choice in words then so be it, but odds are you are just going to make it much more complicated than what the man intended it to be.

He clearly states it won't be popular decisions

"There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision',"

But you can ignore that if you want.

I don't want popular decisions. I want the right decisions. I believe he and Obama will make them. There is a clusterfuck of problems out there. People are living a pipe dream if they think we will get through this without having to make some "unpopular decisions".

Oh no doubt tough decisions will be made. But what kind of decisions are they? Financial? Military? He mentions "middle east and russia" as if to say the problem will be with them. So that is almost a definite military problem. He then says it won't be a popular decision. Are you putting two and two together or are you going to be like the bush apologists of the last 8yrs and play naive?

Did you just suffer from a cerebral event? Neither Biden nor anyone else knows what the specific horrible event or events will be. He just guesses that some really bad things will happen, and those will require responses that my initially not be very popular.

But until actual challenges occur, how can ANYONE - Biden, Obama, or those guessing in this thread - possibly know the nature of the responses? Do you really think that Biden is suggesting specific types of responses - military, financial - to unknown events? Are you really that foolish? Get a grip. Please.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: shira

Did you just suffer from a cerebral event? Neither Biden nor anyone else knows what the specific horrible event or events will be. He just guesses that some really bad things will happen, and those will require responses that my initially not be very popular.

Did you wake up with a case of asshole or something? He suggests an aweful lot with his words. I'm sure you don't wanna see that though.

But until actual challenges occur, how can ANYONE - Biden, Obama, or those guessing in this thread - possibly know the nature of the responses? Do you really think that Biden is suggesting specific types of responses - military, financial - to unknown events? Are you really that foolish? Get a grip. Please.

No one may know, or biden may know, but one things for sure, we don't. Only speculation and if you read it (my statement) you will see a constant *?* in the sentences. Surprisingly that denotes a question. Then there are possibilities mentioned. Then mr-get-out-of-bed-with-my-ass-in-my-mouth decides to come here spouting BS. Well continue with your ignorance, by all means.
 

Deliximus

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i see no problem with Biden's statements. They are on the spot as to what may/will happen in the coming year(s).
 

shira

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: shira

Did you just suffer from a cerebral event? Neither Biden nor anyone else knows what the specific horrible event or events will be. He just guesses that some really bad things will happen, and those will require responses that my initially not be very popular.

Did you wake up with a case of asshole or something? He suggests an aweful lot with his words. I'm sure you don't wanna see that though.

Did you wake up with your tongue in my asshole or something?

I see no suggestions at all. All I see is a list of likely suspects and the recognition that bad situations can require extreme responses. Since you think there are suggestions, why don't you list of few of them here, genius. Then we can all laugh. At you.

But until actual challenges occur, how can ANYONE - Biden, Obama, or those guessing in this thread - possibly know the nature of the responses? Do you really think that Biden is suggesting specific types of responses - military, financial - to unknown events? Are you really that foolish? Get a grip. Please.

No one may know, or biden may know, but one things for sure, we don't. Only speculation and if you read it (my statement) you will see a constant *?* in the sentences. Surprisingly that denotes a question. Then there are possibilities mentioned. Then mr-get-out-of-bed-with-my-ass-in-my-mouth decides to come here spouting BS. Well continue with your ignorance, by all means.
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No, no. You don't ask questions. You imply answers not in evidence. Look up the word "tendentious." Then look up the phrase "raving lunatic." Then use some dental floss and remove the feces from between your teeth.

Are you putting two and two together or are you going to be like the bush apologists of the last 8yrs and play naive?

I already did the math. See my original post in this thread, 4th from the bottom on page 6. But you, I see, are flunking out of remedial arithmetic. Your abacus is telling you that Biden MAY know about what specific responses he'd use against unknown, future, calamitous events. That makes SO much sense.

Think about it again: Unknown future events. Yet you think it's possible the Biden already knows the specific responses he'd use. Wow. I'll bet that when you pick your nose, you gaze at the big green booger sticking to your finger and think, "This cannot have happened by random chance. This is evidence of God's creation."

But I have some good news for you: If you suffer extensive brain damage, no one will be able to tell.