Has Biden gone Looney Tunes?

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Vic

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It's not that wearing tinfoil beanies is necessarily a bad thing, it's just when you wrap the tinfoil so tight that it cuts off the blood supply to your brain.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Ldir
It sounds like he knows something we don't. Maybe he knows there is a bigger mess to clean up than anyone will admit before the election.

Come on now, you cant blame Bush BEFORE something happens. Wait, you just did.


AT P&N for the last 8 years:


Headline: "Bush fucks X up"

Bush apologist: "Well, Clinton left him this mess, he's just trying to clean it up"

People with IQ over 40: "It's ok little boy, it's ok."

Fixed.

Let me guess. You are the child left behind. It is ok to admit it. We will not laugh at you. More than we already do. You brought up Bush. Not me. Nice to see you are continuing to preemptively play apologist for him.

You just brought up an educational reform act? With the most horrible use of grammar and punctuation I have seen in a while? Oh the ironing.

You. Dont have. To use. Periods. Between each. Thought.

 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Do you or do you not support the defensive actions that we took between the years of 2001-2003?

There was absolutely, positively ZERO defensive reasons for invading Iraq. Iraq was of no threat to us whatsoever.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree. I support most of what we chose to do between 2001-2003 and you do not. None of us can predict what might have happened if we chose to do nothing during that time and I would rather not speculate on it with you.

Oh please, entertain us all, speculate!

How about you entertain me instead by answer the previous question:

"Where is the line truly drawn for you before you would agree that overseas defensive military action is necessary for the greater good of this country and our allies?"

I am not talking about Iraq or any other country specifically with that question. What I want to know is what would be the minimum criteria for bamacre to decide to use our military anywhere overseas in effort to defend the United States and/or its allies?
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: bamacre
Regardless of Biden's comments, I can already smell the odor of the pro-war left.

At least they have a track record of actually winning wars. ;):p

We haven't won a war since WW2.

Let's remember that about 60 million people died in WW2.

Do we really want to see WW3?
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: bamacre
Regardless of Biden's comments, I can already smell the odor of the pro-war left.

At least they have a track record of actually winning wars. ;):p

We haven't won a war since WW2.


Hmmm.....so helping to stop genocide in the Balkans and getting Saddam out of Kuwait dont count?

 

bamacre

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Do you or do you not support the defensive actions that we took between the years of 2001-2003?

There was absolutely, positively ZERO defensive reasons for invading Iraq. Iraq was of no threat to us whatsoever.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree. I support most of what we chose to do between 2001-2003 and you do not. None of us can predict what might have happened if we chose to do nothing during that time and I would rather not speculate on it with you.

Oh please, entertain us all, speculate!

How about you entertain me instead by answer the previous question:

"Where is the line truly drawn for you before you would agree that overseas defensive military action is necessary for the greater good of this country and our allies?"

I am not talking about Iraq or any other country specifically with that question. What I want to know is what would be the minimum criteria for bamacre to decide to use our military anywhere overseas in effort to defend the United States and/or its allies?

You know, I am not going to waste my time arguing with a fucking peon who thinks invading Iraq was a good idea.

Thinking it was before we invaded is bad enough, thinking it now after everything we know, is just flat out fucking retarded.
 

bamacre

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: bamacre
Regardless of Biden's comments, I can already smell the odor of the pro-war left.

At least they have a track record of actually winning wars. ;):p

We haven't won a war since WW2.

Hmmm.....so helping to stop genocide in the Balkans and getting Saddam out of Kuwait dont count?

No, they really don't. :D
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: bamacre
Regardless of Biden's comments, I can already smell the odor of the pro-war left.

At least they have a track record of actually winning wars. ;):p

We haven't won a war since WW2.

Let's remember that about 60 million people died in WW2.

Do we really want to see WW3?
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Do we want republican leadership if WW3 comes?

While the democrats basically started the Korean and Vietnamese wars, its the republicans who got in promising to do better. and it was the republicans who gave up and negotiated a losing proposition.

I might argue that GHB did an excellent job of winning gulf war one, but failed to win the peace that followed as he should have demanded the removal of Saddam Hussein, and then allowed Saddam free rein to butcher any of his own people that sided with the Coalition of the willing. With the second failing being unforgivable.

But for the blunder of the century, we must look to Reagan, who armed the mujaheddin of Afghanistan, allowing them to expel the Russians. And then simply walked away, and allowed Afghanistan to fall into a civil war. Had the US come in with aid and help, 911 and the Taliban never would have happened.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Xavier434
How about you entertain me instead by answer the previous question:

"Where is the line truly drawn for you before you would agree that overseas defensive military action is necessary for the greater good of this country and our allies?"

I am not talking about Iraq or any other country specifically with that question. What I want to know is what would be the minimum criteria for bamacre to decide to use our military anywhere overseas in effort to defend the United States and/or its allies?

You know, I am not going to waste my time arguing with a fucking peon who thinks invading Iraq was a good idea.

Thinking it was before we invaded is bad enough, thinking it now after everything we know, is just flat out fucking retarded.

Considering the results and where Bush and his administration took it all after 2003, I cannot say that if I could go back in time that I would do it the same way all over again. Few would.

However, I do not believe that what Obama and Biden have expressed that they want to do in the future is the same thing. It would appear that you do believe that which is perfectly fine. Neither of us have a crystal ball. Neither of us are military strategists. Neither of us truly understand the impacts of what will or will not happen should we choose to or not to do what Obama/Biden want. All we can do is listen to what they tell us and vote based on who we believe has the right idea. In my case, Obama does. In your case Ron Paul has it right if I am not mistaken.

What I will not do is allow my fear and lack of confidence based on the past cloud my decisions for the future. I will do my best to learn from the past, but let it cloud my better judgment is something completely different.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
But for the blunder of the century, we must look to Reagan, who armed the mujaheddin of Afghanistan, allowing them to expel the Russians. And then simply walked away, and allowed Afghanistan to fall into a civil war. Had the US come in with aid and help, 911 and the Taliban never would have happened.

A lot of people are trying to learn from past when it comes to this stuff. This is the kind of past that I am trying not to forget as I think about everything Bush has done as well. It is a slippery slope for sure, but generally I prefer proactive attempts at solutions as opposed to reactive. It is another balance to be had without a doubt. Taking it too far in either direction can produce very awful results in the future.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: OrByte
More BS.

:laugh:

You're so full of shit. Are you gonna comment at all at any time about biden's comments? Ever? If not, hold your tongue, I told you I do not want to discuss anything but that with you. Now go away. Gee, you're like a lost dog someone fed, that won't go away. :laugh:
you commented on Bidens words

I commented on yours

its called 'discourse' or 'discussion' I thought that was the point of these threads?

And I've said what I wanted to say about Bidens comments.

And I've called you out on your fallacious reasoning.

Its not my fault you don't like what I have to say...

now its my turn to :laugh:
 

RY62

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Skitzer
This is the paragraph that scares me!!

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

Especially the last sentence ...... what the hell is he a prophet?

Not going to be apparent that we're right....WTF is that supposed to mean? Does this mean that action may be take militarily that will seem to the world as an unjustified action? Thats what I get.

Take this with the usual grain of salt that's required in an internet forum. The rumor I'm hearing is that, during the recent national security briefings the campaigns recieved, it was revealed that Israel will launch a pre-emptive strike against one of it's neighbors. If Israel strikes first, Obama will side against Israel. It will be seen as very unpopular to side against Israel.

I hope that one is just rumor. I kind of like the rumor of bringing back the draft.

 

Ldir

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Jul 23, 2003
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Ldir
It sounds like he knows something we don't. Maybe he knows there is a bigger mess to clean up than anyone will admit before the election.

Come on now, you cant blame Bush BEFORE something happens. Wait, you just did.


AT P&N for the last 8 years:


Headline: "Bush fucks X up"

Bush apologist: "Well, Clinton left him this mess, he's just trying to clean it up"

People with IQ over 40: "It's ok little boy, it's ok."

Fixed.

Let me guess. You are the child left behind. It is ok to admit it. We will not laugh at you. More than we already do. You brought up Bush. Not me. Nice to see you are continuing to preemptively play apologist for him.

You just brought up an educational reform act? With the most horrible use of grammar and punctuation I have seen in a while? Oh the ironing.

You. Dont have. To use. Periods. Between each. Thought.

But you do need them at the end of sentences, and "can't" needs an apostrophe. I was just trying to keep it short and simple for a retarded Bush apologist who imagined I was blaming his hero, even though I did not bring him up at all. You will now probably want to change the subject again.
 

OCGuy

Lifer
Jul 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Ldir
It sounds like he knows something we don't. Maybe he knows there is a bigger mess to clean up than anyone will admit before the election.

Come on now, you cant blame Bush BEFORE something happens. Wait, you just did.


AT P&N for the last 8 years:


Headline: "Bush fucks X up"

Bush apologist: "Well, Clinton left him this mess, he's just trying to clean it up"

People with IQ over 40: "It's ok little boy, it's ok."

Fixed.

Let me guess. You are the child left behind. It is ok to admit it. We will not laugh at you. More than we already do. You brought up Bush. Not me. Nice to see you are continuing to preemptively play apologist for him.

You just brought up an educational reform act? With the most horrible use of grammar and punctuation I have seen in a while? Oh the ironing.

You. Dont have. To use. Periods. Between each. Thought.

But you do need them at the end of sentences, and "can't" needs an apostrophe. I was just trying to keep it short and simple for a retarded Bush apologist who imagined I was blaming his hero, even though I did not bring him up at all. You will now probably want to change the subject again.

So by laughing at the morons that will blame every negative thing that happens to Obama on Bush, I am a Bush apologist? You are out there.

 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
This thread has been up for > 10 min and the Obamabots havent been able to justify this yet?

Why are people "obamabots" if they are supporting obama? I don't agree with him on everything but just because I support him I must be some kind of programmed person with no mind.

What if I said look how fast the fascist racists jumped into this thread to support it?
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
So by laughing at the morons that will blame every negative thing that happens to Obama on Bush, I am a Bush apologist? You are out there.

your first post in this thread did the exact same thing. But thats ok isn't it?
 

shira

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Originally posted by: Skitzer
This is the paragraph that scares me!!

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

Especially the last sentence ...... what the hell is he a prophet?

Why does this scare you? He's almost certainly correct. If the price of oil continues to plummet, Russia could become very unstable. And no one needs to remind us that the world economy is in terrible shape, the performance of the stock markets the past week notwithstanding.

Would you rather he paints a rosy scenario that isn't true?

He's telling us that the new Administration is being left a horrible situation by the current one, and people had better not expect everything to be wonderful.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: OrByte


I commented on yours

its called 'discourse' or 'discussion' I thought that was the point of these threads?

And I've said what I wanted to say about Bidens comments.

And I've called you out on your fallacious reasoning.

Its not my fault you don't like what I have to say...

now its my turn to :laugh:

Thats just it kid, you never wanted to discuss bidens words at all. Deflect! Deflect! Obama and Biden are my saviors! I will talk abotu Bush if you bring them up!!! :laugh: Fucking aplogists are all the same no matter which side of the isle their on :laugh:
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
This thread has been up for > 10 min and the Obamabots havent been able to justify this yet?

Why are people "obamabots" if they are supporting obama? I don't agree with him on everything but just because I support him I must be some kind of programmed person with no mind.

What if I said look how fast the fascist racists jumped into this thread to support it?


Just as much that people are paulbots, there are obamabots.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: OrByte


I commented on yours

its called 'discourse' or 'discussion' I thought that was the point of these threads?

And I've said what I wanted to say about Bidens comments.

And I've called you out on your fallacious reasoning.

Its not my fault you don't like what I have to say...

now its my turn to :laugh:

Thats just it kid, you never wanted to discuss bidens words at all. Deflect! Deflect! Obama and Biden are my saviors! I will talk abotu Bush if you bring them up!!! :laugh: Fucking aplogists are all the same no matter which side of the isle their on :laugh:
noooo I wasn't apologizing for Biden or his words...again if you read my posts you'd understand that. I originally agreed with Xavier's post on Biden's words...I also stated that Biden doesn't need your help in making himself look foolish, he can do that all on his own.

But, I read your horribly reasoned insinuations regarding Biden's intent or assumed intent with his speech earlier today and I had to speak up. Again, with respect to your comment about "unjustified military action."

Again I apologize if your fallacious reasoning or lack of critical thinking skills causes you pain. If the mere mention of GWB somehow activates some sort of pain response I can understand that and I apologize for subjecting you to that too.

GWBs policies were so bad; it?s understandable that you don't wish to bring it into discussion. But if you say things like "unjustified military action" then be prepared to discuss GWB and the war in Iraq, because alot of people (myself included) argue that Iraq is/was an "unjustifed military action."

Something tells me that you don't put alot of sense or thinking into your posts. You just hope to yell "Deflect!" "Deflect!" and then hope that will win you an argument. I'm sorry, but it doesn?t work that way. To paraphrase, you said Biden?s comments lead you to believe that he wants to send the US into "unjustified military action" I responded by saying that?s dumb, Obama/Biden have repeatedly taken the position that is opposite "unjustified military action" with the example given GWBs excursion into Iraq.

and then you proceeded to fall apart yelling "Deflect! Deflect!" and other nonsense about how this isn't about GWB, attempting to dismiss my argument.

this is not intelligent discourse on your behalf. Come up with something better. k?
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Deflect!

Deflect the topic. Deflect from Obamessiah and his underlord Biden, because bush did it! Its ok that we do it cause bush did it. We can do it because bush did it. Bush did it first! We are justified cause bush did it.

Apologists are all the same :laugh:
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: OrByte
Deflect!

Deflect the topic. Deflect from Obamessiah and his underlord Biden, because bush did it! Its ok that we do it cause bush did it. We can do it because bush did it. Bush did it first! We are justified cause bush did it.

Apologists are all the same :laugh:

wow. you just totally made my point.

Next time I just won't bother with you.

thanks for.....deflecting...?

:thumbsup:
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: OrByte

Next time I just won't bother with you.

Good cause I'm not too kind with apologists.

At no point did I apologize for anything. But don't let that stop you from reaching an ill-reasoned conclusion. You seem to be good at that.

My mistake thinking you actually employ reasoning and intelligence in your arguments.

back ON TOPIC:

Its funny because both Veeps have a problem with verbal vomitting. Depending on what side of the fence you stand on, its seen as something that can be dismissed, or a serious character and intelligence flaw.

imho both Palin and Bidens occasional foot in the mouth is a bit endearing. Its only when someone speaks from a position of ignorance (ie Palins interviews with Gibson and Couric) is it really a problem. I think saying Biden is ignorant of anything is a mistake, I just think he has a character flaw with his occasional verbal vomitting. It gets him into trouble, and that isn't going to change.