Like the topic says. Do you think that this is where it ends on BIOS updates from Asus? Have any of you heard differently from anyone at Asus or their tech support?
Has Asus just given up on further BIOS development on the A8N-SLI?
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A month is a long time. I did email ASUS the other day, as follows:
\/\/\/ MY EMAIL \/\/\/
Hi again,
After continuing to be frustrated with ASUS not acknowledging any kind
of "running RAM over 250mhz at 1T Command Rate" issue, I thought I
would contact someone else. I spoke to someone who runs a large and
well-known hardware review site to see if he could perhaps get a
response about 1T and any future BIOS that might fix it, this is what
I got back:
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Adam -
My engineering contacts at Asus have emailed me that the video compatability
issues have been resolved and the fixes are in a new BIOS 1007 to be
released very soon. I was also told they believe they can fix the
overclocking issues and be very competetive with DFI. These fixes should be
in a new BIOS next week.
I will be out of the US for a couple of weeks, so you will need to look for
new Asus BIOS at their site and on Forums.
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So, ASUS believe they "can" fix the 1T issue that has forced many
high-end users such as overclockers to sell their boards and get DFI
ones instead.
However, that email was on March 5th, and supposedly 1007 was going to
arrive "next week" (march 12th ?). One month on and we haven't had an
update since the 1006 final / 1007.003 at the beginning of March.
There are still issues besides the overclocking one, and it is already
clear that the issue IS fixed with the A8N-E, a very similar board.
So please, as much as I expect "we do not guarantee good overclocks"
as a reply, could you find out if this issue can even can be fixed
with a BIOS, and if it will be in 1007, if we can expect to see it
before too long?
Thanks for your continued support,
Adam Miles
/\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /
\/ \/ \/ ASUS' Reply \/ \/ \/
Dear Adam,
Sorry but can't comment on what is nothing more than a rumour.
Mike Mullen
UK Technical Support
/\ /\ /
Hmmm, what rumour? Your own engineers saying it'll be fixed, or the "rumour" of a 1007 BIOS... that reply was pathetic...
\/\/\/ MY EMAIL \/\/\/
Hi again,
After continuing to be frustrated with ASUS not acknowledging any kind
of "running RAM over 250mhz at 1T Command Rate" issue, I thought I
would contact someone else. I spoke to someone who runs a large and
well-known hardware review site to see if he could perhaps get a
response about 1T and any future BIOS that might fix it, this is what
I got back:
-------
Adam -
My engineering contacts at Asus have emailed me that the video compatability
issues have been resolved and the fixes are in a new BIOS 1007 to be
released very soon. I was also told they believe they can fix the
overclocking issues and be very competetive with DFI. These fixes should be
in a new BIOS next week.
I will be out of the US for a couple of weeks, so you will need to look for
new Asus BIOS at their site and on Forums.
------
So, ASUS believe they "can" fix the 1T issue that has forced many
high-end users such as overclockers to sell their boards and get DFI
ones instead.
However, that email was on March 5th, and supposedly 1007 was going to
arrive "next week" (march 12th ?). One month on and we haven't had an
update since the 1006 final / 1007.003 at the beginning of March.
There are still issues besides the overclocking one, and it is already
clear that the issue IS fixed with the A8N-E, a very similar board.
So please, as much as I expect "we do not guarantee good overclocks"
as a reply, could you find out if this issue can even can be fixed
with a BIOS, and if it will be in 1007, if we can expect to see it
before too long?
Thanks for your continued support,
Adam Miles
/\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /
\/ \/ \/ ASUS' Reply \/ \/ \/
Dear Adam,
Sorry but can't comment on what is nothing more than a rumour.
Mike Mullen
UK Technical Support
/\ /\ /
Hmmm, what rumour? Your own engineers saying it'll be fixed, or the "rumour" of a 1007 BIOS... that reply was pathetic...
Just to let you know that there's a new beta bios in the ftp: 1007.004. I don't think it'll solve the 1T issue but we can try. By the way, I'm seriously thinking of buying a DFI...if we don't get a clear answer from ASUS i'm going for the DFI...
See ya
See ya
Same here, I have only had this board for a month and got it as ASUS has always done me proud in the past. But if they are going to use statements such as "Don't worry, this mobo is good enough for you, the question is, are you game enough for A8N-SLI."
and then spout the cr*p that they are doing about not guaranteing overclocking etc. blah blah blah then they are going to loose customers.
I have already ditched ABIT and Gigabyte for problems with previous boards as I am sure other people have.
If they do not sort this I'm off to DFI. They have an excellent community and cater specifically for the enthusiast market.
I'm gonna give the .004 bios a try this evening and see how it fairs.
and then spout the cr*p that they are doing about not guaranteing overclocking etc. blah blah blah then they are going to loose customers.
I have already ditched ABIT and Gigabyte for problems with previous boards as I am sure other people have.
If they do not sort this I'm off to DFI. They have an excellent community and cater specifically for the enthusiast market.
I'm gonna give the .004 bios a try this evening and see how it fairs.
I would rather wait a little while personally and have them get it right. I am sick of all these rapid-fire BIOS releases. . .what is it like at least 3 or 4 since I have owned the motherboard and I have only had it a little over 3 months. When 1007 final hits that will be 5 I think. And so far none of them have "done the trick" for this motherboard. Seems like it always fixes one thing but then something else breaks. This is getting fvcking annoying. And its worse they don't even put release notes in the beta bios versions so we know what's being worked on.
Aquila76
Diamond Member
Is anyone else nearing the end of their patience with this board? It's been 4 months for me now without being able to push my system, and if Asus doesn't get this thing fixed by the time Venice chips are out, I don't think I'll be able to resist a DFI/Venice combo.
Come on Asus, you're losing us here!!!
Come on Asus, you're losing us here!!!
I have no option in our country but to go for ASUS A8N Sli as the only SLi solution.
Till now i have not purchased was waiting for asus to come with a bios that will solve the
1T issue everone here seems frustrated.
If i order DFI Lanparty sli from outside my country it will cost me a bomb with the import duties and hell of taxes and all.
So i am just praying that asus solves this issue in there upcoming bios.
I hope ASUS you are listening to us.
Till now i have not purchased was waiting for asus to come with a bios that will solve the
1T issue everone here seems frustrated.
If i order DFI Lanparty sli from outside my country it will cost me a bomb with the import duties and hell of taxes and all.
So i am just praying that asus solves this issue in there upcoming bios.
I hope ASUS you are listening to us.
I feel I must take this opportunity to bash Maximum PC, as nearly everything they recommend ends up being viewed as lackluster in performance. In fact, Maximum PC is actually a very useful magazine when building a computer, since their recommendations can give you a very clear picture of what you shouldn't buy.
Also, if that email exchange with asus is correct, I have to believe that they are crap too.
Also, if that email exchange with asus is correct, I have to believe that they are crap too.
GuitarDaddy
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I get the feeling that ASUS is in no hurry to fix this issue, and doesn't consider it a priority for several reasons.
1. With A64's ondie controller, the chip as well as the mobo can limit the HTT speed. Some of the A64 chips won't run a high HTT regardless of which motherboard.
2. Performance increases from overclocking ram on A64's are small. The real world difference between 240 1T and 270 1T is not noticable.
3. And as others have said, "Overclocking isn't guaranteed" and they may consider the range from 200 to 250 to be acceptable.
After 4 months I've accepted that this will probabally not be fixed, and just run ram as close to 250 1T as possible, and am very happy with the performance. But ASUS should realize that even though this is a minor flaw with very little effect on overall performance, "Perception is everything". And many people only want the very best, and will tear apart their systems and swap motherboards to gain a few FPS in games or a few points in benchmarks (seems silly to me), but not the kind of press that ASUS should want for a board marketed at enthusiasts. Come on ASUS give us those 3fps that we deserve!
1. With A64's ondie controller, the chip as well as the mobo can limit the HTT speed. Some of the A64 chips won't run a high HTT regardless of which motherboard.
2. Performance increases from overclocking ram on A64's are small. The real world difference between 240 1T and 270 1T is not noticable.
3. And as others have said, "Overclocking isn't guaranteed" and they may consider the range from 200 to 250 to be acceptable.
After 4 months I've accepted that this will probabally not be fixed, and just run ram as close to 250 1T as possible, and am very happy with the performance. But ASUS should realize that even though this is a minor flaw with very little effect on overall performance, "Perception is everything". And many people only want the very best, and will tear apart their systems and swap motherboards to gain a few FPS in games or a few points in benchmarks (seems silly to me), but not the kind of press that ASUS should want for a board marketed at enthusiasts. Come on ASUS give us those 3fps that we deserve!
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
I get the feeling that ASUS is in no hurry to fix this issue, and doesn't consider it a priority for several reasons.
1. With A64's ondie controller, the chip as well as the mobo can limit the HTT speed. Some of the A64 chips won't run a high HTT regardless of which motherboard.
2. Performance increases from overclocking ram on A64's are small. The real world difference between 240 1T and 270 1T is not noticable.
3. And as others have said, "Overclocking isn't guaranteed" and they may consider the range from 200 to 250 to be acceptable.
After 4 months I've accepted that this will probabally not be fixed, and just run ram as close to 250 1T as possible, and am very happy with the performance. But ASUS should realize that even though this is a minor flaw with very little effect on overall performance, "Perception is everything". And many people only want the very best, and will tear apart their systems and swap motherboards to gain a few FPS in games or a few points in benchmarks (seems silly to me), but not the kind of press that ASUS should want for a board marketed at enthusiasts. Come on ASUS give us those 3fps that we deserve!
well stated!
it is an unusual hobby... we'll spend money to get a better HSF, video cooling, bigger/quieter fans, cases that breathe better, improved PSU's, better memory...etc.. which often ends up costing several hundred dollars... all so we can get a processor to perform the same as one that runs an extra $100 !!!
... i know... i know.. it's the challenge
I have always sort of been in agreement with GuitarDaddy. The bottom line is that lots of people are really getting pisted because this isn't just some mother board its one of (as I see it) TWO! It's pretty much Asus and DFI; it's a macho dick thing, and I wanna be confident enough to whip it out with the DFI boys and say SEE! IT'S JUST AS BIG!!!
Originally posted by: MatrixVPR
I have always sort of been in agreement with GuitarDaddy. The bottom line is that lots of people are really getting pisted because this isn't just some mother board its one of (as I see it) TWO! It's pretty much Asus and DFI; it's a macho dick thing, and I wanna be confident enough to whip it out with the DFI boys and say SEE! IT'S JUST AS BIG!!!
understood.. but when you "whip it out" before it's "fully mature".. then you end up on the "short end" in terms of "performance" ... as is the case with their rush to market...
.. a little more foreplay.. and ASUS could've hung with the big boys
Aquila76
Diamond Member
I think we ASUS owners are on the receiving end of that innuendo, and not in a good way.
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GuitarDaddy
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Yes the release was a bit premature and I think their trying to make up for it with this next BIOS release, hence the longer wait for final.
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My innuendo was to do with the proverbial male penis complex but if gay anal sex is your thing? Hey, more power to ya! Though I can't really argue your point (no pun intended) it's a good one.
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My innuendo was to do with the proverbial male penis complex but if gay anal sex is your thing? Hey, more power to ya! Though I can't really argue your point (no pun intended) it's a good one.
I'm sorry to say, but I finally hit the end of my rope with the Asus board. While I was at MicroCenter for my weekly "browsing session" I saw the DFI NF4 SLI-DR box on the shelf, and grabbed one.
Even if Asus manages to pull their thumb out of their asses and fix the 1T issue, I won't go back. I popped the DFI in last night and am running 250FSB 1:1 at 1T right off the bat. The Asus wouldn't even boot at 230 1:1 1T before!
Even if Asus manages to pull their thumb out of their asses and fix the 1T issue, I won't go back. I popped the DFI in last night and am running 250FSB 1:1 at 1T right off the bat. The Asus wouldn't even boot at 230 1:1 1T before!
Rumor = heresay. When someone (2nd person) tells you what someone else (third person) said = rumor.
lol!
Look at the frequency of BIOS updates for one of Asus' best known enthusiast boards; A7N8X-X.
Version 1010
Date 2004/08/10
Version 1009
Date 2004/04/21
Version 1007
Date 2003/10/09
Version 1006
Date 2003/08/20
Version 1005
Date 2003/05/22
Version 1004
Date 2003/05/06
One hour is a long time when you're constantly watching the clock.
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