Has Anyone Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government' are scary

[AAjax]

"We can only hope that world leaders will do nothing more than enjoy a pleasant bicycle ride around the charming streets of Copenhagen come December. For if they actually manage to wring out an agreement based on the current draft text of the Copenhagen climate-change treaty, the world is in for some nasty surprises. Draft text, you say? If you haven't heard about it, that's because none of our otherwise talkative political leaders have bothered to tell us what the drafters have already cobbled together for leaders to consider. And neither have the media.

Enter Lord Christopher Monckton. The former adviser to Margaret Thatcher gave an address at Bethel University in St. Paul, Minnesota, earlier this month that made quite a splash. For the first time, the public heard about the 181 pages, dated Sept. 15, that comprise the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change—a rough draft of what could be signed come December.

So far there have been more than a million hits on the YouTube post of his address. It deserves millions more because Lord Monckton warns that the aim of the Copenhagen draft treaty is to set up a transnational "government" on a scale the world has never before seen.

The "scheme for the new institutional arrangement under the Convention" that starts on page 18 contains the provision for a "government." The aim is to give a new as yet unnamed U.N. body the power to directly intervene in the financial, economic, tax and environmental affairs of all the nations that sign the Copenhagen treaty. "


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703574604574500580285679074.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


World governance, Euro style. Blech.... And to think all those guys I heard talk about this stuff in the 90's may well have been right.

 

[Blackjack200]

lol, the U.N. has no power other than what the U.S. decides to enforce.

 

[Pens1566]

Black helicopters ...

 

[yllus]

I have a thread on this aspect of Copenhagen, as well as other (IMO more nefarious) parts of the proposed treaty:

The Copenhagen climate treaty: Scam of the century?

What I'm not pleased about is not really even that the treaty will demand billions in cash being sent out of my country (and yours), because even if it's signed everyone will just slack off anyways.

What I'm displeased about is the fact that idiot politicians in my country (and yours) are actually willing to sign something so obviously hurtful to us. All for a couple of good photo ops today.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

shhh go back to sleep nothing to worry about.

 

[drebo]

Well, the good thing about this is that the president has no power to sign such a treaty which would delegate powers to multinational organizations. Well, that's what the Constitution says, anyway.

 

[soccerballtux]

Well, the good thing about this is that the president has no power to sign such a treaty which would delegate powers to multinational organizations. Well, that's what the Constitution says, anyway.

But hey, if we have to pay $200B/year as a "pollution tax" aka "prosperity tax", that's perfectly fine with me. That way all the corrupt politicians will have MORE money to throw around.

 

[boomerang]

Well, the good thing about this is that the president has no power to sign such a treaty which would delegate powers to multinational organizations. Well, that's what the Constitution says, anyway.

Glad you added that last sentence. The Constitution is a meaningless document for the most part to this administration. My understanding is it would take a vote by the Senate (only the Senate) to ratify such a treaty.

If I'm wrong, I'm certain I'll be corrected. Hell, I may be corrected if I'm right.

 

[ebaycj]

The Constitution is a meaningless document for the most part to this administration.

It certainly felt meaningless to the last administration as well.

 

[boomerang]

It certainly felt meaningless to the last administration as well.

What is the relevance of a statement like that? Do you think we can alter the past? All we have is the present and the potential for a future.

Don't let your hatred for the previous administration cloud your judgment regarding this administration.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Quote:
Originally Posted by drebo
Well, the good thing about this is that the president has no power to sign such a treaty which would delegate powers to multinational organizations. Well, that's what the Constitution says, anyway.

Glad you added that last sentence. The Constitution is a meaningless document for the most part to this administration. My understanding is it would take a vote by the Senate (only the Senate) to ratify such a treaty.-- I for one sure am glad your understanding is actually a huge failure to comprehend and a huge dislike for obama which is why you believe to this administration the constitution is meaningless....huge fail on your part!!

If I'm wrong, I'm certain I'll be corrected. Hell, I may be corrected if I'm right.

 

[boomerang]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

 

[drebo]

Glad you added that last sentence. The Constitution is a meaningless document for the most part to this administration. My understanding is it would take a vote by the Senate (only the Senate) to ratify such a treaty.

If I'm wrong, I'm certain I'll be corrected. Hell, I may be corrected if I'm right.

No, in order for Congress to delegate any responsibility for domestic policy to an extra-national organization, the Constitution would need to be amended. This would require a 2/3rds vote in BOTH houses, as well as 38 of the 50 states to ratify it.

Otherwise, such a treaty would be unconstitutional.

 

[drebo]

I believe that the Constitution has been trampled over by people of BOTH sides for a number of years, and I'm sick of it.

It needs to stop. I don't care which side stops it first, only that both sides stop.

The Constitution is there for a reason, and by not following it, our government is digging us into a huge hole. All of the policies that have lead towards this recession and overextension of our military are direct results of failure to heed the rules set down in the Constitution.

Had Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., and Obama all abided it, we would be a lot better off.

 

[boomerang]

No, in order for Congress to delegate any responsibility for domestic policy to an extra-national organization, the Constitution would need to be amended. This would require a 2/3rds vote in BOTH houses, as well as 38 of the 50 states to ratify it.

Otherwise, such a treaty would be unconstitutional.

That sounds right. Thanks for the correction.

 

[AAjax]

It certainly felt meaningless to the last administration as well.

Funny how that always seems to be the case.

 

[Duwelon]

Virtually everything the federal government does now is unconstitutional.

Did you know there's a clause that says members of congress must meet at least once a year? The framers of the US constitution were actually worried they wouldn't meet enough. Instead, our congresscritters, or congressmutants, are in there almost every day of the year cooking up new laws, new rules, exempt from them if they so choose, and day by day reeling in power from the states into one central place. It's happening on a global scale with the UN and and on a state by state level throughout the US.

The EU was a big step towards consolidation of power in Europe. Each consolidation from a lesser power to a greater one means less freedom for the people who can no longer govern themselves. The constitution was flatly against this, because the likes of Jefferson knew that once power is consolidated to one place, it's only a matter of time before it becomes corrupted.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Virtually everything the federal government does now is unconstitutional.

Did you know there's a clause that says members of congress must meet at least once a year? The framers of the US constitution were actually worried they wouldn't meet enough. Instead, our congresscritters, or congressmutants, are in there almost every day of the year cooking up new laws, new rules, exempt from them if they so choose, and day by day reeling in power from the states into one central place. It's happening on a global scale with the UN and and on a state by state level throughout the US.

The EU was a big step towards consolidation of power in Europe. Each consolidation from a lesser power to a greater one means less freedom for the people who can no longer govern themselves. The constitution was flatly against this, because the likes of Jefferson knew that once power is consolidated to one place, it's only a matter of time before it becomes corrupted.

stop it you are going to give away the ending.

 

[fskimospy]

Virtually everything the federal government does now is unconstitutional.

Did you know there's a clause that says members of congress must meet at least once a year? The framers of the US constitution were actually worried they wouldn't meet enough. Instead, our congresscritters, or congressmutants, are in there almost every day of the year cooking up new laws, new rules, exempt from them if they so choose, and day by day reeling in power from the states into one central place. It's happening on a global scale with the UN and and on a state by state level throughout the US.

The EU was a big step towards consolidation of power in Europe. Each consolidation from a lesser power to a greater one means less freedom for the people who can no longer govern themselves. The constitution was flatly against this, because the likes of Jefferson knew that once power is consolidated to one place, it's only a matter of time before it becomes corrupted.

Another scholar heard from!

All those 'Supreme Court Justices' with their 'law degrees' and their 'lifetime of experience interpreting statutes and the Constitution' got it wrong, in case you hadn't heard almost everything the government does is unconstitutional. Again, I encourage you to write them a letter notifying them of this fact.

The greatest affront yet, the founders proposed a minimum number of meetings per year, and Congress meets more than that!

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Another scholar heard from!

All those 'Supreme Court Justices' with their 'law degrees' and their 'lifetime of experience interpreting statutes and the Constitution' got it wrong, in case you hadn't heard almost everything the government does is unconstitutional. Again, I encourage you to write them a letter notifying them of this fact.

The greatest affront yet, the founders proposed a minimum number of meetings per year, and Congress meets more than that!

They have to. There are alot more corporations they have to answer to now.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Oh, yeah...

Let's scream bloody murder about the international community finally getting its act together and trying to address climate change.

We don't care about Africa, China, or India.

We don't care about greenhouse gases, the world's temperature rising by as much as 6 degrees by 2070, almost half of the animal species becoming extinct and our current lifestyle being increasingly unsustainable.

All we care about is our virtual economy. All we care about are our two SUVs in the driveway, plenty of water, and lots of electricity.

The rest of the world can go to hell.

Who cares about 2 billion people possibly getting displaced from drought-stricken areas? We're just going to build a wall at our Mexico border, and patrol our national water frontiers with combat-ready Navy forces and our superior military technology. And if it gets too hot for Texas, and the Corn Belt is lost, we can occupy Canada - there's lots of land there, and they can't defend it, anyway.

What's that you say? "solidarity"? That's an ugly word, you filthy Commies!

 

[brblx]

no better way to hang an 'idiot' sign around your neck than to bitch that you're being oppressed by the 'new world order'...

 

[IceBergSLiM]

no better way to hang an 'idiot' sign around your neck than to bitch that you're being oppressed by the 'new world order'...

What part makes you an idiot. The bitching about it. Or the recognition that you are being "oppressed". Becuase They are out in the open with it now. Its no longer a "speculative" or "secret" agenda.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Oh, yeah...

Let's scream bloody murder about the international community finally getting its act together and trying to address climate change.

We don't care about Africa, China, or India.

We don't care about greenhouse gases, the world's temperature rising by as much as 6 degrees by 2070, almost half of the animal species becoming extinct and our current lifestyle being increasingly unsustainable.

All we care about is our virtual economy. All we care about are our two SUVs in the driveway, plenty of water, and lots of electricity.

The rest of the world can go to hell.

Who cares about 2 billion people possibly getting displaced from drought-stricken areas? We're just going to build a wall at our Mexico border, and patrol our national water frontiers with combat-ready Navy forces and our superior military technology. And if it gets too hot for Texas, and the Corn Belt is lost, we can occupy Canada - there's lots of land there, and they can't defend it, anyway.

What's that you say? "solidarity"? That's an ugly word, you filthy Commies!

Fight on, True Believer! Stick your head farther in the sand and say LALALA! as loud as you can like ClimateGate never happened! DOOM AND GLOOM! MAN MADE CATASTROPHE! ACT NOW OR ALL HOPE IS LOST! THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED!

The fix is in. The hoax is out in the open for all to see now. "Climate change/global warming/global cooling/scare tactic phrase of the week" has been exposed as nothing more than political junk science. Unfortunately, some fanatical zealots still refuse to see the truth...such is the case with cults.

PS - China and India have repeatedly said that the UN and the "global community" can take Copenhagen and proven economy destroying "climate change treaties" and shove it where the sun don't shine. But, poor green China and India (China the biggest emitter of greenhouse gasses, India fourth, BTW), victims of the "evil, heathen US", right faithful acolyte?

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Fight on, True Believer! Stick your head farther in the sand and say LALALA! as loud as you can like ClimateGate never happened! DOOM AND GLOOM! MAN MADE CATASTROPHE! ACT NOW OR ALL HOPE IS LOST! THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED!

The fix is in. The hoax is out in the open for all to see now. "Climate change/global warming/global cooling/scare tactic phrase of the week" has been exposed as nothing more than political junk science. Unfortunately, some fanatical zealots still refuse to see the truth...such is the case with cults.

PS - China and India have repeatedly said that the UN and the "global community" can take Copenhagen and proven economy destroying "climate change treaties" and shove it where the sun don't shine. But, poor green China and India (China the biggest emitter of greenhouse gasses, India fourth, BTW), victims of the "evil, heathen US", right faithful acolyte?

Junk science? You're pitiful. The industry lobby at work.No less than 400 lobby firms are actively working in the US alone, trying to sway public opinion and convince them that global warming is a conspiracy, that nothing is happening, and that the US should go on on its path... Congratulations, it seems that their efforts paid off. You're definitely an informed citizen, aren't you? That's it, say ClimateGate and go on about your "business as usual".

People like you condemn our future generations to live in much worse conditions than you ever would, even if you made a small adjustment to your lifestyle today.

If I'm wrong (and in a minority), then I'm just an alarmist, a Chicken Little. The most you risk from me is just a little inconvenience. You won't be able to buy as much Wal-Mart junk as you do right now, and maybe your Coke and chocolate bars will go up in price by a couple of cents to a dollar... If you're wrong, and the present course continues, human lives will be at stake, and your grandchildren will curse your name.

Your choice.


*edit* Oh, I see you've edited your post to ad even more FUD. So let me retort by asking "Who's the greatest buyer of Chinese goods? Who's China's greatest economic partner?" That's right, the same people who broke the toy to begin with. The same nation of 300 million people, who uses 25% of the entire world's natural resources. Please re-read the Wal-Mart section from above.

The fact that you still have the gall to accuse others of hiding their heads in the sand is monstrously ridiculous.