Has anyone gone from a Windows 7 machine to an Apple and thought OMG...

[HAL9000]

I don't particularly like using OSX either, but if it had given me some advantage I'd have stuck with it. Theres another post in the apple forum about that.

Well that's fair enough, but for me OSX would be worth putting up with something like this, as after using it for a while I can't bare suffering with windows. If windows works for you then stick with it, it doesn't for me...

 

[LikeLinus]

That sucks. I always tend to just convert my videos to the format I want to manipulate them in, so this issue wouldn't really be relevent to me.

It's not going to be relevent to a lot of people. But the issue is that FCP is becoming sort of an industry standard in smaller shops. The fact that AVCHD is used in a lot of non high-end production cameras means that FCP should support it fully. I really don't have an answer as to why it's not able to import and convert the main movie file. It leaves it grayed out and you cannot select it. This is the same for P2 DVCPRO HD files. That I can understand because the audio streams are separated into different MXF files, but the AVCHD file has the audio streams in one file with the video. You shouldn't need the file structure. Premiere Pro does not require you to have anything but the MTS/MT2 file. Thats the way it should be.

 

[HAL9000]

It's not going to be relevent to a lot of people. But the issue is that FCP is becoming sort of an industry standard in smaller shops. The fact that AVCHD is used in a lot of non high-end production cameras means that FCP should support it fully. I really don't have an answer as to why it's not able to import and convert the main movie file. It leaves it grayed out and you cannot select it. This is the same for P2 DVCPRO HD files. That I can understand because the audio streams are separated into different MXF files, but the AVCHD file has the audio streams in one file with the video. You shouldn't need the file structure. Premiere Pro does not require you to have anything but the MTS/MT2 file. Thats the way it should be.

I agree.

 

[WelshBloke]

Well that's fair enough, but for me OSX would be worth putting up with something like this, as after using it for a while I can't bare suffering with windows. If windows works for you then stick with it, it doesn't for me...

But...

Final cut pro cost more than the whole effing computer I'm doing the editing on, can you not see the problem here?

What you would do is bootcamp into windows, do what you needed there, and then go and whine on an apple forum about how windows sucks.

 

[HAL9000]

But...

Final cut pro cost more than the whole effing computer I'm doing the editing on, can you not see the problem here?

What you would do is bootcamp into windows, do what you needed there, and then go and whine on an apple forum about how windows sucks.

No I wouldn't I'd use the OSX software, I'd convert the video, or use FCP or CS5 or whatever, I don't pay for software anyway, I just use the best software for the job.

 

[bfdd]

erikistired, you call me ignorant? the world would stop in its tracks if windows up and disappeared right this second. linux same, osx no it wouldn't. fucking moron.

 

[HAL9000]

erikistired, you call me ignorant? the world would stop in its tracks if windows up and disappeared right this second. linux same, osx no it wouldn't. fucking moron.

OK so that means that OSX isn't worth owning? Because the world doesn't depend on it it's a bad choice?! This is ignorant, the world would having massive problems if all CRT monitors stopped working but I buy LCD...?!

 

[WelshBloke]

No I wouldn't I'd use the OSX software, I'd convert the video, or use FCP or CS5 or whatever, I don't pay for software anyway, I just use the best software for the job.

Yeah, most people do though.

If it was free I'd expect a bevvy of Hollywood professionals to come round my house and sort out my home movies for me.

 

[WelshBloke]

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[HAL9000]

Yeah, most people do though.

If it was free I'd expect a bevvy of Hollywood professionals to come round my house and sort out my home movies for me.

Ok that's fair, but when I talk about "what's the best [x]" I don't look at price, I look at whats the best.

 

[LikeLinus]

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I think you meant Unix I caught that! lol

 

[bfdd]

true, but its easy to say its the consumers responsibility when they don't have to and will speak with their wallets. MS could have approached Vista's development very differently.

Plus its hard to sell the average joe a new $300 + OS that does no more out of box than XP did with some simple 3rd party software. Even myself, after i bought Ultimate, i ended up doing the exact same things i did in XP but in a more bogged down feeling way along with Nvidia driver and game issues.

W7 is good, although users still have to "tip toe". you still have to follow these "unspoken" guidlines for how you go about installing and doing things...you certainly can't just go randomly changing themes, configuring system functions and installing any ol compatible application without following a procedure, using caution and knowlege.
And i don't believe in that...i think any user should beable to use any compatible application without order....that is where Mac's shine, but their OS is designed for their hardware and App store keeps out the junk software. i wish MS would offer a Repository where only good software and drivers goes.

lol, 99% of Vistas problems were hardware developers having horrible software development teams and they produced shit driver after shit driver after shit driver. Those same hardware developers put out shit drivers for Linux as well.

 

[hiromizu]

Always.

Each time I use a PC, I feel like vomiting and teaching everyone around me about the seamlessly perfect harmony of software, hardware and impeccable aesthetics that makes the Mac OS experience unattainable otherwise and quite simply....astonishing.

There is no price you can put on the experience and yet, the cost is comparable to the most average PC...

There is no mystery as to why it is rapidly penetrating every corner of the personal computing markets and CHANGING the philosophy and attitude towards computing at every level.

/bs

 

[bfdd]

OK so that means that OSX isn't worth owning? Because the world doesn't depend on it it's a bad choice?! This is ignorant, the world would having massive problems if all CRT monitors stopped working but I buy LCD...?!

I'm so fucking confused how you can get that out of what I am saying if you have read all of my posts. I said I am perfectly fine with people splrugging on shiny baubles. I WANT PEOPLE TO BUY AND DO THE THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO. What I am saying is, don't pretend you made a smart purchase. You didn't. You made a shiny bauble purchase.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

OMFG WHERE IS MY TASKBAR?!?!?!?!?! FUCK YOU DOCK!!1!1 FUCK YOU EXPOSE!1!

That's pretty much how it goes.

 

[HAL9000]

I'm so fucking confused how you can get that out of what I am saying if you have read all of my posts. I said I am perfectly fine with people splrugging on shiny baubles. I WANT PEOPLE TO BUY AND DO THE THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO. What I am saying is, don't pretend you made a smart purchase. You didn't. You made a shiny bauble purchase.

But please read carefully what you are saying is that any product that the world can do without is not a smart purchase.

You said :

You're either trying to troll me or you're a fucking moron. I never said something that doesn't offer value to the majority of mankind shouldn't exist. I said IF IT CEASED TO EXIST THIS VERY SECOND THE WORLD WOULD CONTINUE TO FUNCTION AND NO ONE WOULD NOTICE ANYTHING. If WINDOWS ceased to exist the world would stop dead in it's tracks for quite a fucking while. I bring this up to prove the point that OSX is a SHINY BAUBLE because all non-essentials are shiny baubles. I don't have a problem with shiny baubles and I think everyone should do and purchase what they feel like, but to argue that buying a shiny bauble is some how a "smart purchase" is fucking retarded.

In this quote you said that unless a product falls under the category of "IF IT CEASED TO EXIST THIS VERY SECOND THE WORLD WOULD CONTINUE TO FUNCTION AND NO ONE WOULD NOTICE ANYTHING." then it is a "SHINY BAUBLE" and therefore not a smart purchase...

The following things fall under this category:

Chocolate
Pens
Art
Motorbikes
High-end graphics cards
DVDs
Music
France
Sushi
Chicken
Any car other than the most basic

Need I go on? You are saying that all products other than those which the world is dependant on are not smart purchases. I think that's pretty retarded.

 

[WelshBloke]

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I think his point is OSX is fine for dicking around but most people will have to use something else as well, whereas if you use windows (or linux?) you can do everything there.

 

[HAL9000]

I think his point is OSX is fine for dicking around but most people will have to use something else as well, whereas if you use windows (or linux?) you can do everything there.

Ohnestly that's not the case, I am one of many, many people who uses OSX exclusively for everything bar games.

 

[WelshBloke]

Ohnestly that's not the case, I am one of many, many people who uses OSX exclusively for everything bar games.

But if you did want to game or had an HD camcorder?

My mums happy not using Windows as well, however shes never used a computer in her life.

Being constrained by your OS is not some where I want to go.

 

[HAL9000]

But if you did want to game or had an HD camcorder?

My mums happy not using Windows as well, however shes never used a computer in her life.

Being constrained by your OS is not some where I want to go.

The only constraint to my OS is that I can't run Windows games, the same as Windows' constraint could be that it can't run Mac Apps...

 

[WelshBloke]

The only constraint to my OS is that I can't run Windows games, the same as Windows' constraint could be that it can't run Mac Apps...

The only constraint to my OS is...oh yeah, nothing at all.

 

[HAL9000]

The only constraint to my OS is...oh yeah, nothing at all.

Really what OS are you using that can run Final Cut Pro and Windows games, and has a Unix subsystem?!

 

[WelshBloke]

Really what OS are you using that can run Final Cut Pro and Windows games, and has a Unix subsystem?!

My OS can run windows games, edit any type of video you care to mention, and why the hell would I care if it has a Unix subsystem or not?

And it can do it better, and for a damn sight less money than yours can.

 

[Fenixgoon]

OMFG WHERE IS MY TASKBAR?!?!?!?!?! FUCK YOU DOCK!!1!1 FUCK YOU EXPOSE!1!

That's pretty much how it goes.

these are the things OSX/apple does well:

trackpads
F3 (splits all the windows up)

everything else is equal or better on windows IMO.

 

[HAL9000]

My OS can run windows games, edit any type of video you care to mention, and why the hell would I care if it has a Unix subsystem or not?

And it can do it better, and for a damn sight less money than yours can.

Maybe so, but it has constraints, if you've got no good cli, I wont like it. It's also got more problems than I have hairs (alot).