Since this seems to have turned into an opinion bit, I'll weigh in with my own.
At this point, I do not condone abortion, but I believe people should be able to choose for themselves. If someone were to ask my advice, I'd encourage them to look into adoption or something similar, but if they decide that abortion is the best choice I wont stop them.
Of course, this is all theoretical. If I actually found myself in such a situation, perhaps I would sing a different tune.
Everything you've said is true, but a fertilized egg has more potential to become life, than unfertilized. If you get to the point of getting someone pregnant you should live with the consequences, I've never slept with someone I'm not prepared to get pregnant.
Would you kill the President of the United States to save two alcoholic bums?
Is a mother giving up any chance at a life to raise a child that also has very little chance at life better than having an abortion and giving the mother a shot?
I have...many times.
It's called birth control. Try it sometime.
Eggs are created in a woman's body every month and they are flushed from her body every month. Many women miscarry too, my wife did a few years ago. No big deal.
At this point, I do not condone abortion, but I believe people should be able to choose for themselves. If someone were to ask my advice, I'd encourage them to look into adoption or something similar, but if they decide that abortion is the best choice I wont stop them.
They do pre-empt life, but they also destroy actual potential for life. I.e. something that left to it will create life, contraceptives do not.
So contraceptives do not destroy the actual potential for life?
This discussion is over, i really can't say more and i'd get myself banned if i were to continue this debate because what i have to say isn't nice.
I've heard this argument before and there is some validity to it, it is a womans body, but I would argue that finite pain, and hormone swings are not enough to remove the potential for life. I also believe that both parents have the right to choose, if abortion is ok it needs to be a choice by both parents not one. No one has the right to deprive their ex or current partner of their (potential) child.
So how is killing one cell so much more morally acceptable than killing two cells?Yeah I did but it has no potential to ever be anything other than cellular life left to it's own devices.
I'm kind of a tentative guy in terms of language. So when I say "in all likelihood" they will only live a week, I mean, "it will be a fucking miracle if they survive the first 2 days".True. But "In all likelihood" isn't good enough when talking about what I believe to be moral absolutes
Wrong.Not when an unfertilized egg or sperm are left to it.
You don't have to feed the chair. You don't have to clothe the chair. You don't have to shelter the chair. You don't have to protect the chair from thousands of diseases that want to destroy the chair. You don't have any emotional attachment to the chair.ok let me try an explain this differently, lets assume that I'm arguing that you shouldn't destroy a chair as it could become an old chair (stupid example but it's what came to me) destroying a chair = wrong, destroying wood that could become a chair is different, as a chair has actual potential to become an old chair by just leaving the chair alone but bits of wood don't unless you first build a chair with them.
Pardon me, but I can't see your logic.No explination for that... There is logic to my argument, there is logic to yours. different opinions don't mean you need to hurl insults.
Maybe you should try something else. Your 'potential life' thing isn't getting you anywhere.They do pre-empt life, but they also destroy actual potential for life. I.e. something that left to it will create life, contraceptives do not.
No because the president could save many more lives through his life.
Firstly, I would say adoption, secondly I would say that an often miserable life is better than no life at all. Plus it's impossible to say at the point of conception that a life isn't worth living.
Wrong. Only exception is if the couple are married...then the guy should have some parental rights. Otherwise you shot your goo into her and you gave up all rights to your goo and what it might create. It is her body, neither you nor anybody else should be able to dictate what a woman does with her own body.
One cell will stay one cell, two cells might become a lot more.So how is killing one cell so much more morally acceptable than killing two cells?
This miracle happens on a regular basis though.I'm kind of a tentative guy in terms of language. So when I say "in all likelihood" they will only live a week, I mean, "it will be a fucking miracle if they survive the first 2 days".
FtfyYou don't have to feed the baby. You don't have to clothe the baby. You don't have to shelter the baby. You don't have to protect the baby from thousands of diseases that want to destroy the baby. You don't have any emotional attachment to the chair. You can give a baby up for adoption
Logic:Pardon me, but I can't see your logic.
Maybe you should try something else. Your 'potential life' thing isn't getting you anywhere.
Wrong. Only exception is if the couple are married...then the guy should have some parental rights. Otherwise you shot your goo into her and you gave up all rights to your goo and what it might create. It is her body, neither you nor anybody else should be able to dictate what a woman does with her own body.
Again, gametes are alive already before they fuse in conception, and you are a galactic moron.They do pre-empt life, but they also destroy actual potential for life. I.e. something that left to it will create life, contraceptives do not.
I have no problem with that.
I also don't LIKE abortions...in fact, I dislike them so much that I'll never get one. (but I won't stand in the way of a woman who believes it's her best option.)
False. You're simply talking out of your ass, to the point that one would be justified deciding that you are being explicitly dishonest. Fuck off.One cell will stay one cell, two cells might become a lot more.
I don't think the ceremony of marriage gives you any more rights to the womans body than you had over it before the ceremony.
Parental rights exist when you are a parent, you don't become a parent until after birth so perhaps i misunderstood what you were saying?
Marriage = social contract, if your a father your a father regardless whether you have a contract with the mother.
Only once the child is born.
And I am a father. Here is a picture of my son about to nuke a thousand fetuses.
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Only once the child is born.
And I am a father. Here is a picture of my son about to perform a hundred post birth abortions.
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do you have trouble dealing with it after the fact? like have nightmares or go into depressive moods at times? how do you cope?
