Has AMD released a note about
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Yeah it is called X2 cpu drivers.....
I have yet to still see some one who has done a fresh windows install with an X2 with most up to date chipset drivers and vid card drivers and the X2 drivers still have an issue...Most ppl with an X2 did not do a fresh install of windows and just popped the chip on the board and ran....
I had 2 issues....Flat out and 3dmark showed a jitter in the screen or accelerated speed...affinity worked just fine....but as soon as I installed the correct drivers from AMD the problem is gone in both programs.....
Since affinity fixes it it is a clear sign it is a problem with software (be it games or winsuck) not hardware...
I have yet to still see some one who has done a fresh windows install with an X2 with most up to date chipset drivers and vid card drivers and the X2 drivers still have an issue...Most ppl with an X2 did not do a fresh install of windows and just popped the chip on the board and ran....
I had 2 issues....Flat out and 3dmark showed a jitter in the screen or accelerated speed...affinity worked just fine....but as soon as I installed the correct drivers from AMD the problem is gone in both programs.....
Since affinity fixes it it is a clear sign it is a problem with software (be it games or winsuck) not hardware...
It is a fresh install, and I have downloaded the latest drivers. You still need to set affinity. Has AMD acknolwedges this is a problem? Are they in the process of a fix? Setting affininty fixes the problem, but that can be annoying for a 600 hundy processor
wait, you keep saying that amd is the problem and you need to set the affinity. OK, what's this "program/application/game" that still has the problem after fresh install and latest drivers. Stop trolling...
Verify you have the cpu first...I like many dont think you have one....give me a cpu_z screenie with AT open and you editing one of your post to verify it is you....Until then no one knows if you are serious or just trying to cause problems....
The fact is this has worked for most everyone I have heard of......
You also got to admit with reports of some having problems and others not (regardless of cpu driver installed) makes it quite clear this has to be user setup related and therefore cannot be fully attributed to hardware...or it should happen exactly the same on all systems....
This could be...
1) chipset drivers being used (not the latest for the respected chipset, be it via, uli, NF3U, NF4, or NF4U)
2) video game itself in the form of all the patches
3) bios of the mobo....Is it the latest and official X2 bioses
4) windows..have all the critical updates and SP2???
to many variables but the fact it does not happen on all system with or without x2 drivers is clear this is not a cpu hardware issue....
If you remember AMDs intent was to mimic HT in all possible ways (used HT flags as reported earlier) to make sure compatability with windows which works with winxp home without need for more epxensive pro version for multple cpus...it also allowed them to use programs already optimised for HT without recompiling them for optimization to another form...
The fact is this has worked for most everyone I have heard of......
You also got to admit with reports of some having problems and others not (regardless of cpu driver installed) makes it quite clear this has to be user setup related and therefore cannot be fully attributed to hardware...or it should happen exactly the same on all systems....
This could be...
1) chipset drivers being used (not the latest for the respected chipset, be it via, uli, NF3U, NF4, or NF4U)
2) video game itself in the form of all the patches
3) bios of the mobo....Is it the latest and official X2 bioses
4) windows..have all the critical updates and SP2???
to many variables but the fact it does not happen on all system with or without x2 drivers is clear this is not a cpu hardware issue....
If you remember AMDs intent was to mimic HT in all possible ways (used HT flags as reported earlier) to make sure compatability with windows which works with winxp home without need for more epxensive pro version for multple cpus...it also allowed them to use programs already optimised for HT without recompiling them for optimization to another form...
it's most likely a driver issue or OS issue NOT the X2 AMD might not be Intel but they Test there cpu's extensively and they will not release a buggy CPU like intel has done several times.
Nooooo...cmon being smarter then that...obviously the issue is about multi cores and how they interact with the programs or we wouldn't be talking about affinity...This theoretically can be P4s w/ HT, P-D's and X2s....Now before you say no INtel cpu has had an issue, beware I have already linked to ppl saying they have had similar issue...I can prove what I say...CAN YOU???
You pop the chips in and out like batteries in a controller...got the chip out take a picture...
iT DOESN'T EXCEPT TO EXPLAIN TO YOU THIS IS ABOUT MULTICORE CPUS, MULTITHREADED APPS, AND HOW WINDOWS DEALS WITH THEM...
This has nothing to do with single core and in that instance has more to do with Intel....
The comparison is just and I can pull that link up to a P4 user with HT having same issue to show this is possibly a software implementation issue....
The issue is fixed you likely have other issues you have not correctly resolved, be it official bioses....properly loaded winxp....properly loaded chipset drivers...properly loaded forceware video drivers,etc...
If I had an intel chip, i'd worry about whether those had the same problems. I don't care about Intel.
The AMD official patch doesn't fix anything. Has AMD released a statement recognizing this as a problem?
The AMD official patch doesn't fix anything. Has AMD released a statement recognizing this as a problem?
If you truly have a problem with this, you'd approach this with a smarter sense than to be thinking that all the problem is related to the CPU. The CPU as a whole functions perfectly fine for what it does. It has two cores intricately designed on a single CPU socket package. I cannot help but side with mark and duvie for this. You've constantly downplayed the X2 CPU as though it has some sort of design flaw when it clearly has none. Games have constantly been programmed with the notion that it'll run fine with a single CPU. And with good reasons too. Programming multithreaded applications isn't easy and to implement something that can handle it takes too much time and resources (and we all know that time = $$$). The current market sees only a single CPU design. And that design has been in place for a very long time.
Now, you may argue and say that this is games that this topic is supposed to cover. Games are applications too. It just wasn't coded to handle multiple CPUs or send multiple threads. Okay, some programs handle it well and some don't, even though it wasn't coded with multiple threads in mind. But remember that it's still coded with a single processor in mind. And by many people's testament, setting the program's affinity solves that problem. It forces a software to believe that they're dealing with just "one CPU." How does the driver fit into all of this? It's there to give Windows a better understanding on how to handle this dual-core CPU. Much like how basic VGA drivers can work with many video cards, using the manufacturer's drivers lets Windows have a better understanding on how to handle the video card. So some problems become solved while others are partially fixed yet requires just a little bit more tweaking.
People can take my claim of owning an X2 at face value or shove it aside as "just another claim." But let others judge you for how you post. Your tone and your explainations will help people better understand whether or not they are willing to believe you. If you had posted explicit details down to the very clock speed, model, cache, stepping, motherboard make & model, RAM makes, timings, speed, or whatever intricate details that can somewhat prove your claim, then maybe people will start believing. But so far, I have heard nothing absolute and nothing substantial as to what kind of system you have.
I'd like to help but I have difficulty in believing what you say when you cannot post in a formal manner. And call me whatever you want if you think I'm sounding like some "higher than thou" guy. I'm only stating how I feel about this problem that you seek to resolve. We've no information about your setup and we don't even know if you truly own those hardware.
Give a full spec, and maybe those who have the same hardware(s) may give you some pointers. Until then, it's unlikely anyone would take your claim at face value.
Now, you may argue and say that this is games that this topic is supposed to cover. Games are applications too. It just wasn't coded to handle multiple CPUs or send multiple threads. Okay, some programs handle it well and some don't, even though it wasn't coded with multiple threads in mind. But remember that it's still coded with a single processor in mind. And by many people's testament, setting the program's affinity solves that problem. It forces a software to believe that they're dealing with just "one CPU." How does the driver fit into all of this? It's there to give Windows a better understanding on how to handle this dual-core CPU. Much like how basic VGA drivers can work with many video cards, using the manufacturer's drivers lets Windows have a better understanding on how to handle the video card. So some problems become solved while others are partially fixed yet requires just a little bit more tweaking.
People can take my claim of owning an X2 at face value or shove it aside as "just another claim." But let others judge you for how you post. Your tone and your explainations will help people better understand whether or not they are willing to believe you. If you had posted explicit details down to the very clock speed, model, cache, stepping, motherboard make & model, RAM makes, timings, speed, or whatever intricate details that can somewhat prove your claim, then maybe people will start believing. But so far, I have heard nothing absolute and nothing substantial as to what kind of system you have.
I'd like to help but I have difficulty in believing what you say when you cannot post in a formal manner. And call me whatever you want if you think I'm sounding like some "higher than thou" guy. I'm only stating how I feel about this problem that you seek to resolve. We've no information about your setup and we don't even know if you truly own those hardware.
Give a full spec, and maybe those who have the same hardware(s) may give you some pointers. Until then, it's unlikely anyone would take your claim at face value.
It does for most, so I guess I have to put you in the category of user incompetence!! Sorry I guess my help is over if you wont be more specific and continue to just say repeat same thing.....
We have all tried to help you one time or another...ppl have asked for exact games and specs and you have failed to materialize anything.....
As far as I see this is becoming another roundabout troll thread where you can steal banner space buy posting X2 has issues....fact is X2 doesn't have issues for many cpu owners on many games...How can they do it with the X2 drivers and you cannot,...that is the question you need to ask yourself....
Oh and it would likely help if you had an X2 to test it on!!!!
hey bud. Thanks for the reply. Here is a "CPUZ" shot
http://members.cox.net/ksufan/desktop.JPG
But...no one has answered my question. HAS AMD RELEASED A STATEMENT REGARDING THE GAMING PROBLEMS?
http://members.cox.net/ksufan/desktop.JPG
But...no one has answered my question. HAS AMD RELEASED A STATEMENT REGARDING THE GAMING PROBLEMS?
Boy and to think how easy that was.....We have only been asking for like 4 plus weeks....
OK I assume that is you since you have a screen snap that says Duv (for me)...thank you I appreciate a presence on your X2 machine...
Now list the exact games and issues you are having and I will go find 10+ ppl who dont have the issue..Anyway you look at it, it is coming back to you as what are you doing wrong and the other are not...
I see BF2...tons of ppl have no issues with this game with or without X2 drivers.....
I see Quake 3...haven't heard of anyone having issue with that game....
I see maddeon 2005 and I have heard of ppl having no issues with that one....
So what is up?? Cant be the chip and drivers if others are not having problems, right?? common sense??? knock knock...anybody home????
You know what?? It is common for companies to put out fixes and drivers to optimise their performance on apps without listing what is fixed or what is actually being done....As far as I know the X2 drivers have been there since day one of mass selling of X2's...I wouldn't call that a patch but a hardware driver like any other piece of hardware you install....it requires manufacturer drivers to insure 100% working ability....hardware comes in a package with a disc, AMD cpus just done have room to be package with a CD for a 3-4mb file...
You have fingers do a google search......and that wasn't your topic question so dont act llike we are not helping you or trying to help you, but it is like leading the blind to water.
Nor have you properly said what your problem is (except to say it's AMD's problem and not your own). Might I suggest posting what you're installing and where you are having difficulties (so that others here who HAVE an X2 can check their own systems and try to help).
As you have a HUGE reputation for slamming AMD for all of your life's problems, it's probably understandable that most here are quite skeptical...
For you, you say...BUt I think the problem is sitting in front of the computer....
Name the exact games and symptoms you have...
remember my thread where I was trying to helkp ppl and I had a format to give certain specs and details...try doing something like that....
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Interesting...Tons of ppl playing Quake 3 even witout the X2 drivers and not having issues....I will go round up the info.....
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