Harvard University Tries Women-Only Gym Hours to Accommodate Muslims

moshquerade

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Do you feel this is right or wrong? How long before a man cries discrimination over the gym being closed to males, and what special interest groups are going to want private gym time next?

Harvard University Tries Women-Only Gym Hours to Accommodate Muslims

Tuesday, March 4, 2008

In a test of Harvard's famed open-mindedness, the university has banned men from one of its gyms for a few hours a week to accommodate Muslim women who say it offends their sense of modesty to exercise in front of the opposite sex.

The policy is already unpopular with many on campus, including some women who consider it sexist.

"I think that it's incorrect in a college setting to institute a policy in which half of the campus gets wronged or denied a resource that's supposed to be for everyone," said student Lucy Caldwell, who also wrote a column in The Harvard Crimson newspaper critical of the new hours.

Student Ola Aljawhary, who is Muslim and works out elsewhere on campus but is not one of the women who requested the change, rejected that argument.

"The majority should be willing to compromise," she said. "I think that's just basic courtesy. We must show tolerance and respect for all others."

The trial policy went into effect Feb. 4, about a month after a group of six Muslim women, with the support of the Harvard College Women's Center, asked the university for the special hours, spokesman Robert Mitchell said.

"We get special requests from religious groups all the time and we try to honor them whenever possible," he said, noting that the school has designated spaces for Muslim and Hindu students to pray.

No men are allowed in the gym between 3 p.m. and 5 p.m. on Mondays, and between 8 a.m. and 10 a.m on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Even the staff during those times is all women.

The special hours allow the Muslim women, who adhere to traditional dress codes by covering their hair and most of their skin while in public, to dress more appropriately for exercising, said Susan Marine, director of the women's center.

"It's a pretty big breach of their moral and religious code for a man to see them with their hair uncovered and it's just not possible for them to be in a mixed environment," she said.

When student Kareem Shuman showed up to work out at the gym on Monday, he was turned away but didn't mind.

"Knowing it was requested by women of my faith _ it's very understandable to me," said Shuman, 21, who figured he'd just come back later for his workout.


Other men find the new hours inconvenient. Nick Wells, a junior who wrote an opinion piece in the Crimson criticizing the policy, suggested setting aside one room for women.

"It's not that I am opposed to the idea of helping people in religious groups or women in general, but I just think Harvard is not being fair to people like me who live (near the gym)," Wells said in an interview.

The policy only applies to one gym, a facility mainly used for intramurals. Because of its location at the edge of campus, it is the university's least used gym, Mitchell said.

The women-only hours are of minimal inconvenience because they are just six out of the 70 hours a week the gym is open, Marine said.

"Harvard has a moral and ethical responsibility to make sure our students can stay healthy," she said.

An Associated Press reporter who went to the gym Monday did not see any Muslim women entering. Efforts to reach some of the women who requested the policy through the Women's Center were unsuccessful.

The policy will be reviewed at the end of the semester, Mitchell said.

Kent Blumenthal, executive director of the National Intramural-Recreational Sports Association, which has 660 member colleges and universities nationwide, said he could not think of any other institution with a similar policy.

"It seems in some ways contrary to the purpose of campus recreational programs, which is all about access," he said.

Harvard's policy is no different from commercial gyms that cater partially or even exclusively to women, said Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations.

"The Muslim bashers portray it as the world coming to end, but if women have a couple hours a week to work out in private, I don't see it as a major issue," he said.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c...arvardwomenshours.html
 

Legendary

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
people that get offended by stupid shit are retarded...


that is all

So women who are offended by working out with men are retarded?
 

Anubis

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and before someone comes in here and starts bitching about guys just oogleing women in the gym im gonna say this. DONT dress like a whore when you go to the gym and men wont stare at you
 

Bateluer

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Seems like a poor idea to me. Curiosity though, the student interviewed suggested a single room for muslim women? How many muslim women use the gym, and would one room be sufficient for them? Course, this could be considered segregation, a breach of the Constitution.
 

SpunkyJones

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So if I'm uncomfortable working out in front of anyone, can I get a couple of private hours per week?
 

Bateluer

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Originally posted by: SpunkyJones
So if I'm uncomfortable working out in front of anyone, can I get a couple of private hours per week?

Only if you represent a religious or racial minority, and are female, preferably.
 

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It's a private institution so I guess they can do what they want. But what's next? Fat People hours so they don't have to feel bad looking at fit people? Attractive People Only hours so they don't have to look at ugly fat people? And if the school makes certain hours only available to white males, will that be OK too?
 

Kelemvor

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If they also had a Men only times/sections/etc as well, then I don't think there'd be anything to complain about. Or even internally just have two rooms and make one Women Only on certain days or something.

 

homercles337

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I wonder which gym this affected. I never heard about it, but i only have access to two of the busiest gyms. I still think the policy is lame-O.

Edit: there are many women-only gyms in boston/cambridge. Healthworks... To accommodate one religious sect is just stupid.
 

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I'm sure the women-only hours would be popular with more women than just muslims for the same reason that women-only gyms are so popular.

I don't think it's wrong... it's the University's gym, if they wanted to have entirely separate gyms for men and women during all hours, big deal. It's the least used gym on campus.
 

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Originally posted by: paulxcook
It's a private institution so I guess they can do what they want. But what's next? Fat People hours so they don't have to feel bad looking at fit people? Attractive People Only hours so they don't have to look at ugly fat people? And if the school makes certain hours only available to white males, will that be OK too?

Provided you type up some sham document purporting an antiquated social system with a mystical bent, quote from it regularly, and get a bunch of people to follow you around then I don't see why not.
 

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This is stupid. Why are people so concerned about who is at the gym working out at the same time as them? I barely even notice who else is at the gym; I'm there to workout not to socialize or try and hookup.

Stupid.

KT
 

darkxshade

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They should've gave them the exclusive hours of 1am-5am daily to give them something else to complain about. :p
 

IceBergSLiM

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way to drag an already poor muslim reputation trhough the mud some more. Over a community gym no less. stupid stupid stupid.
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: Legendary
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Legendary
Originally posted by: Nitemare
people that get offended by stupid shit are retarded...


that is all

So people who demand that the many accommodate the few are retarded?

yes

:thumbsup:

Fixed.


I think I'll start a religion that's morally opposed to waiting in lines. YAY! I get to skip right to the front of the vending lines at hockey games, I'll be first on rides at Disneyworld, and everyone must give me the right of way in traffic!
 

paulxcook

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Student Ola Aljawhary, who is Muslim and works out elsewhere on campus but is not one of the women who requested the change, rejected that argument.

"The majority should be willing to compromise," she said. "I think that's just basic courtesy. We must show tolerance and respect for all others."

Anyone else have a problem with this line of thinking? Could I expect the same treatment in a predominantly Muslim country?
 

legoman666

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Originally posted by: paulxcook
Student Ola Aljawhary, who is Muslim and works out elsewhere on campus but is not one of the women who requested the change, rejected that argument.

"The majority should be willing to compromise," she said. "I think that's just basic courtesy. We must show tolerance and respect for all others."

Anyone else have a problem with this line of thinking? Could I expect the same treatment in a predominantly Muslim country?

Agreed. It is not basic courtesy. The minority should be willing to compromise because they should understand that they only represent a small percentage of the people out there. To quote my man Spock, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." Asking for special treatment is just rude to all of the others that are inconvenienced by this.

On the other hand, asking the majority for tolerance and respect is fine.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: Legendary
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Legendary
Originally posted by: Nitemare
people that get offended by stupid shit are retarded...


that is all

So people who demand that the many accommodate the few are retarded?

yes

:thumbsup:

Fixed.


I think I'll start a religion that's morally opposed to waiting in lines. YAY! I get to skip right to the front of the vending lines at hockey games, I'll be first on rides at Disneyworld, and everyone must give me the right of way in traffic!

You looking for a high priest?
 

Nitemare

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The special hours allow the Muslim women, who adhere to traditional dress codes by covering their hair and most of their skin while in public, to dress more appropriately for exercising, said Susan Marine, director of the women's center.


And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings (khimars) over their bosoms (jaybs), and not display their ornaments except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments.

And O ye Believers! Turn ye all together Towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss. (Qur'an 24:31

So it says to hide your privates from men and to cover your breasts?

To me that doesn't mean head to toe burkha or hijab
 

legoman666

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: Legendary
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Legendary
Originally posted by: Nitemare
people that get offended by stupid shit are retarded...


that is all

So people who demand that the many accommodate the few are retarded?

yes

:thumbsup:

Fixed.


I think I'll start a religion that's morally opposed to waiting in lines. YAY! I get to skip right to the front of the vending lines at hockey games, I'll be first on rides at Disneyworld, and everyone must give me the right of way in traffic!

You looking for a high priest?

Sign me up too. I'll be PR and create sob stories for our members so we get media attention. Though that might backfire when the religion grows and our against-waiting-in-lines lines grow to be longer than the normal lines...