Harsh to Undocumented Migrants by Border Agents

babylon5

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The National Human Rights Commission, a government-funded agency, documented the abuses south of the U.S. border in a December report.

The level of brutality Central American migrants face...was apparent Monday, when police conducting a raid for undocumented migrants near a rail...shot to death a local man, apparently because his dark skin and work clothes made officers think he was a migrant

"If you're carrying any money, they take it from you..." said Carlos Lopez, a 28-year-old farmhand from Guatemala...

Maria Elena Gonzalez, who lives near the tracks, said female migrants often complain about abusive police. "They force them to strip, supposedly to search them, but the purpose is to sexually abuse them," she said.

Edited version here. Sell Full article:

This country's sick treatment on foreigners just because they are dark skin--why no one helps them?
 

Steeplerot

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Well hopefully they get the conservative right wing out of power soon, they have a interesting tide turning there as there is down south.

The PAN conservatives have to go along with the regime to the north.
 

babylon5

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I hope they stop these acts against those workers from south when their election comes around. Otherwise what they want from USA is rather one sided argument.
 

dahunan

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I understand the hysteria.. but this HAPPENED IN MEXICO.. right?

What do you want us to do? Invade Mexico?
 

Strk

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Unless we're talking about the border with Canada, south of it isn't the United States.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: dahunan
I understand the hysteria.. but this HAPPENED IN MEXICO.. right?

What do you want us to do? Invade Mexico?

We don't have to, Mexico is invading us.
 

Zorba

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I think the OP is just looking for anything to prove that all white americans are racist, to the point of hoping nobody would actually read the article.
 

tommywishbone

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I don't have time to answer the op; I've got a meeting with the Imperial Wizard, down at the hangin' tree in 10 minutes.
 

1EZduzit

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The number of undocumented migrants detained in Mexico almost doubled from 138,061 in 2002 to 240,269 last year. Forty-two percent were Guatemalan, 33 percent Honduran and most of the rest Salvadoran.

Like the United States, Mexico is becoming reliant on immigrant labor. Last year, then-director of Mexico's immigration agency, Magdalena Carral, said an increasing number of Central Americans were staying in Mexico, rather than just passing through on their way to the U.S.

But these poor people just come in to do the work Mexicans won't????
 

johnnobts

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When will THIS racist country's citizens admit they are xenophobic/racist/KKK against Dark skin People?

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we'll admit it when we actually practice it. notice some of the "dark skins" currently in power: condi, gonzales, powell, steele, chen, just to name a few.

I'm not saying that there isn't racism in this country, there's racism in every country, moreso than in the U.S. I'm saying that this is a nation has learned from its wicked past and has moved on. for example, people who make racist comments, who have every right to do so, are quick to be publically condemned (take "chocolate city" nagin for example, or trent lott, though i think that was overkill).

yes there are probably some bad seeds in the border patrol, just like there are some rotten eggs in every group. but do not make the mistake of coloring the whole border patrol and U.S. policies as being racist. Its simply categorically untrue... By the way, did you know that we provide legal citizenship to more "dark skinned" people than any other nationality each year? some of you just don't want any borders and so you come up with ad hominem attacks against us, who want this to continue to be a country of legal immigrants...
 

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Originally posted by: johnnobts
When will THIS racist country's citizens admit they are xenophobic/racist/KKK against Dark skin People?

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we'll admit it when we actually practice it. notice some of the "dark skins" currently in power: condi, gonzales, powell, steele, chen, just to name a few.

I'm not saying that there isn't racism in this country, there's racism in every country, moreso than in the U.S. I'm saying that this is a nation has learned from its wicked past and has moved on. for example, people who make racist comments, who have every right to do so, are quick to be publically condemned (take "chocolate city" nagin for example, or trent lott, though i think that was overkill).

yes there are probably some bad seeds in the border patrol, just like there are some rotten eggs in every group. but do not make the mistake of coloring the whole border patrol and U.S. policies as being racist. Its simply categorically untrue... By the way, did you know that we provide legal citizenship to more "dark skinned" people than any other nationality each year? some of you just don't want any borders and so you come up with ad hominem attacks against us, who want this to continue to be a country of legal immigrants...



If you think this is not a racist country anymore, you are lost.

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Steeplerot

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And here are hate crimes from 2005 in california alone in this "unracist country"

Novato (Vandalism)
Published on 12-31-2005
An anti-Semitic message made out of toilet paper was left in front of a Jewish family's home.


San Jose (Vandalism)
Published on 12-25-2005
The word 'i love you' was etched on a car and burned into a man's yard.


Elk Grove (Vandalism)
Published on 11-18-2005
Racial slurs, swastikas and profanity were spray-painted on a high school.


Boulder Creek (Threat)
Published on 11-16-2005
Miles O. Kelly, 21, was arrested after he allegedly threatened a motorist while using a racial slur.


Davis (Harassment)
Published on 11-14-2005
An 18-year-old white man was allegedly taunted about his race by seven black juveniles as he was boarding a bus on the University of California - Davis campus.


Marysville (Threat)
Published on 11-04-2005
Nicholas David Thomas, 20, was arrested for hate crimes after allegedly pointing a plastic pistol and making `white power` statements to a store clerk.


Ventura (Vandalism)
Published on 11-03-2005
The phrase `Whites only` was painted on a vacant house.


Marysville (Assault)
Published on 09-26-2005
Daniel J. Farris, 18, was charged with assault with a deadly weapon, causing pain, suffering or injury to an elder or dependent adult and an hate crime for allegedly beating an elderly black man while yelling racial slurs.


Los Angeles (Legal Developments)
Published on 09-22-2005
Former Jewish Defense League member Earl Krugel, 62, was sentenced to 20 years in federal prison for plotting to blow up a mosque and the office of an Arab-American congressman in December 2001.


El Cerrito (Vandalism)
Published on 09-17-2005
A swastika was scrawled on a bathroom door at a school.


Palm Desert (Legal Developments)
Published on 08-11-2005
Two 13-year-old girls were arrested for, and allegedly confessed to, hate crimes involving the vandalism of 12 houses and vehicles.


Merced (Harassment)
Published on 08-08-2005
A trailer with swastikas and the letters `KKK` was parked in front of a black woman's home.


Palm Desert (Vandalism)
Published on 08-07-2005
A swastika was spray-painted on a wall at a Jewish school.


Riverside (Vandalism)
Published on 07-06-2005
Racist slogans and epithets were scrawled on the inside and outside of a black man's garage.


Anderson (Leafletting)
Published on 07-05-2005
Fliers from the neo-Nazi White Aryan Resistance were distributed throughout a neighborhood.


Orinda (Vandalism)
Published on 06-02-2005
Swastikas and anti-Semitic graffiti were scrawled on the walls of a school.


San Jose (Vandalism)
Published on 05-18-2005
Swastikas were burned in several yards in a neighborhood.


Mill Valley (Vandalism)
Published on 05-04-2005
The phrase 'die i love you' was scrawled on the car of a 17-year-old girl who beongs to a gay and lesbian organization.


San Diego (Leafletting)
Published on 04-26-2005
Fliers from the neo-Nazi National Alliance were distributed throughout a neighborhood.


Ventura (Legal Developments)
Published on 04-18-2005
Skinhead David Ziesmer, 32, was found guilty of fatally stabbing a teenage girl who he believed was a police informant in 1998.


Santa Rosa (Vandalism)
Published on 04-16-2005
Swastikas and white power insignia were scrawled over a Jewish synagogue sign.


Riverside (Legal Developments)
Published on 03-26-2005
Dorian Lee Gutierrez, 22, was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison for fatally stabbing a gay man outside a bar in 2002.


Elk Grove (Vandalism)
Published on 03-21-2005
Derogatory language, the letters 'KKK' and a swastika were scrawled on the residences of two black families, a white family and an Asian-American family.


Davis (Vandalism)
Published on 02-27-2005
Racist messages were left on an Asian student's answering machine.


Riverside (Legal Developments)
Published on 02-18-2005
Dorian Lee Gutierrez, 21, was convicted of second-degree murder for the June 2002 stabbing death of a gay man outside a downtown bar.


Roseville (Leafletting)
Published on 02-14-2005
Fliers from the neo-Nazi National Alliance were dropped on the lawns of residences throughout a neighborhood.


Lodi (Leafletting)
Published on 02-11-2005
Racist literature was left at a residence.


Simi Valley (Legal Developments)
Published on 02-04-2005
Patrick Rea, 17, was ordered to spend nine months in a Los Angeles County probation camp for participating in the December 2004 assault on a black teenager in Simi Valley.


Elk Grove (Intelligence)
Published on 01-31-2005
Two 16-year-old high school students admitted conspiring to commit murder in a hate crime attack planned at their school for February 2004. A hate crime enhancement acknowledged that they planned to target blacks and other racial minorities, including one particular black student.


Riverside (Legal Developments)
Published on 01-28-2005
Arturo Martinez Plasencia, 26, was sentenced to 83 years to life in prison for the attempted murder of two black men in 2002.


Simi Valley (Legal Developments)
Published on 01-19-2005
Two 16-year-olds convicted of beating an African-American newspaper vendor in December 2004 were sentenced to serve time in juvenile hall. One teen was sentenced to 270 days and the other to 240 days.


Ventura (Legal Developments)
Published on 01-19-2005
Kyle Lofton and Chad Alvis, both 16, were ordered to serve time for beating a black teenager in December 2004 because of his race. Lofton was ordered to serve nine months in juvenile detention for being the first of four teens to attack the teen because of his race. Alvis was ordered to spend eight months in custody for his part in the attack.


Paradise (Leafletting)
Published on 01-17-2005
Fliers from the neo-Nazi White Aryan Resistance were left at residences and businesses.


Riverside (Legal Developments)
Published on 01-07-2005
Ramon Meza Rabago, 21, was sentenced to nine years in prison for his involvement in a fight that led to the death of a gay man in June 2002.


Simi Valley (Legal Developments)
Published on 01-04-2005
One of three Simi Valley teenagers charged in a December 2004 attack on a 17-year- old black newspaper vendor was found guilty of committing a hate crime.
 

dahunan

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^^^^^^^^^^^^ how hard do you think it would be to find the same crimes as black on - other color and then sort it out proportionately by population numbers
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: dahunan
^^^^^^^^^^^^ how hard do you think it would be to find the same crimes as black on - other color and then sort it out proportionately by population numbers



Not sure, but SPLC includes black panthers etc.

Might wanna compile some data, but its nazis and KKK that are most active nowdays, actually nazis (national socialists) have recruited bigtime from all the mainstream media hype dogging out mexicans. KKK is kinda old news.

American nazis are the new fad taking the country by "storm" ;)

Check out how active stormfront is getting, 100k active user mark broken a week ago. Plenty of folks who would agree with your "illegal" trip there, and no evil civil rights loving liberals to say it is not ok.

aww looks like someone is DDOS the nazis forums tonight, too bad for them :(
 

palehorse

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ill never understand how, in your mind, "the defense of civil rights" somehow justifies the crime of illegal entry into the US... it blows my mind.
 

BlancoNino

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Racism is never going to go away. The best way is to even the laws and let everything police itself...not have civil rights activists, hate crimes ("if you're gonna hurt someone, you DAMN well better make sure he's the same color as you!"), or anything like that.

I find it very odd that it's okay to make a joke about the British having terrible crooked teeth, but extremely offensive and racist to make a joke about a black person having rotten yellow teeth. Can anyone shed some light on this?
 

shrumpage

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the ELF believes in violence as a means to there end, Greenpeace shares the same goals with ELF.

Does that mean Supporting greenpeace = supporting violecne?
 

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Originally posted by: babylon5
The National Human Rights Commission, a government-funded agency, documented the abuses south of the U.S. border in a December report.

The level of brutality Central American migrants face...was apparent Monday, when police conducting a raid for undocumented migrants near a rail...shot to death a local man, apparently because his dark skin and work clothes made officers think he was a migrant

"If you're carrying any money, they take it from you..." said Carlos Lopez, a 28-year-old farmhand from Guatemala...

Maria Elena Gonzalez, who lives near the tracks, said female migrants often complain about abusive police. "They force them to strip, supposedly to search them, but the purpose is to sexually abuse them," she said.

Edited version here. Sell Full article:

This country's sick treatment on foreigners just because they are dark skin--why no one helps them?

If leaving the country with more then $10,000 in cash it must be declared. If not then it is confiscated. This doesn't matter if you are a citizen or not, although I understand these days that illegal aliens have more rights than citizens.

It may be a lower sum if trying to cross the border illegally. This would tend to reduce the rewards for breaking the law.

If such abuses are going on they should be investigated. However, given that people are being instructed to lie about incidents in order to illicit sympathy I won't assume either side is telling the truth until more facts emerge.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: babylon5
The National Human Rights Commission, a government-funded agency, documented the abuses south of the U.S. border in a December report.

The level of brutality Central American migrants face...was apparent Monday, when police conducting a raid for undocumented migrants near a rail...shot to death a local man, apparently because his dark skin and work clothes made officers think he was a migrant

"If you're carrying any money, they take it from you..." said Carlos Lopez, a 28-year-old farmhand from Guatemala...

Maria Elena Gonzalez, who lives near the tracks, said female migrants often complain about abusive police. "They force them to strip, supposedly to search them, but the purpose is to sexually abuse them," she said.

Edited version here. Sell Full article:

This country's sick treatment on foreigners just because they are dark skin--why no one helps them?

If leaving the country with more then $10,000 in cash it must be declared. If not then it is confiscated. This doesn't matter if you are a citizen or not, although I understand these days that illegal aliens have more rights than citizens.

It may be a lower sum if trying to cross the border illegally. This would tend to reduce the rewards for breaking the law.

If such abuses are going on they should be investigated. However, given that people are being instructed to lie about incidents in order to illicit sympathy I won't assume either side is telling the truth until more facts emerge.

If you'd read the rest of the thread, or even the rest of the story, you'd realize that it isn't about the United States. Hell, you could even click on the link, it's in the title.
 

rahvin

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Where's the OP? He's obviously a Mexican who think's all Mexicans are racist against brown skin and central americans. Oh where oh where is the OP to tell us about how much he's disgusted with the mexican government and police?