Harry Reid - we can not have people break the law and just walk away

[Texashiker]

In reference to the cattle rancher,

http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/14/reid-warns-nevada-cattle-rancher-who-faced-down-feds-its-not-over/

“Well, it’s not over,” he said. “We can’t have, in America, people that violate the law and just walk away from it. So it’s not over.”

But lets see,

The obama administration killed US citizens without due process.

Justice department is not enforcing drug laws.

Obama postponed parts of the ACA even though the law says congress must approve those actions.

Justice department is not enforcing immigration laws. How can we allow illegal immigrants into the nation and then just allow them to walk away?

The IRS scandal.

Fast and furious, selling guns to criminals.

Torture at Gitmo.

Seems to me Reid expects the government and the people to operate by two different standards. The people are expected to follow the law when the government is excused.

If Reid truly wanted to uphold the law, lets start with basic human rights and go after the people who approved the use of torture on detainees.

 

[pauldun170]

... Just reading up on this. Haven't been paying attention.

snippets from various articles

The dispute that triggered the roundup dates to 1993, when the BLM cited concern for the federally protected tortoise. The agency later revoked Bundy's grazing rights. In 1999, the Nevada district court permanently barred Bundy from grazing his cattle on the land, charging him $200 per animal per day they remained on the land; the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the injunction.

Bundy claims ancestral rights to graze his cattle on lands his Mormon family settled in the 19th century. He stopped paying grazing fees and disregarded several court orders to remove his animals.

Two federal judges issued orders last year that if the 67-year-old rancher did not remove his cattle from the land, they could be seized. BLM officials say Bundy now owes more than $1.1 million in unpaid grazing fees. Bundy said he doesn't have to pay because he has no contract with the federal government.

U.S. rangers are rounding up Bundy's cattle, claiming he has been illegally grazing his herds on 600,000 acres of federal lands for two decades.

The Bureau of Land Management said this is a matter of equity and fairness to the 16,000 ranchers and farmers who do manage to pay their fees every year.

It is sort of an accident of history and because of the whims of Congress that the federal government controls all that land. In the mid-1800s, lawmakers passed laws encouraging settlers to colonize the West, with the idea of carving up the new U.S. territories into privately held parcels. Starting with Theodore Roosevelt, though, U.S. lawmakers started to conserve public lands for the public with the creation of the national parks.
In 1934, Congress created the U.S. Grazing Service to manage cattle and sheep grazing on public lands, and in 1946 the Grazing Service was combined with the General Land Office to create the BLM. In 1976, Congress passed the Federal Land Policy and Management Act, formally setting aside federal public lands for multiple public uses, including recreation, ranching, and mining. The BLM, Forest Service, and National Park Service have been juggling those competing interests ever since.
For Bundy to have the right to graze his cattle in Gold Butte/Bunkerville area, the U.S. government would have to sell him the land, cede it to Nevada, get the area's endangered species removed from the endangered list, and/or lose to Bundy in a court of law.

 

[brycejones]

Yathtt

 

[glenn1]

... Just reading up on this. Haven't been paying attention.

snippets from various articles

tl;dr version - it's another Fed land grab on endangerd species grounds. The feds are expecting this rancher to simply stop making a living and go on welfare because turtles are more important than people.

 

[Texashiker]

Yathtt

I have laid out my stance in a clear and coherent manner, and that is all you can say?

 

[brycejones]

tl;dr version - it's another Fed land grab on endangerd species grounds. The feds are expecting this rancher to simply stop making a living and go on welfare because turtles are more important than people.

That's an interesting reading of the facts to say the least. What kind of drugs are you on?

 

[Newell Steamer]

What do you care about breaking the law? How and why is upholding the law suddenly important??

You are responsible for propagating and promoting the murder of medical doctors performing a legal procedure.

You support breaking the law, based on religious reasons.

You can't piss all over the same laws you are now crying about being broken. It's either, or.

 

[dank69]

In reference to the cattle rancher,

http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/14/reid-warns-nevada-cattle-rancher-who-faced-down-feds-its-not-over/


But lets see,

The obama administration killed US citizens without due process.

Justice department is not enforcing drug laws.

Obama postponed parts of the ACA even though the law says congress must approve those actions.

Justice department is not enforcing immigration laws. How can we allow illegal immigrants into the nation and then just allow them to walk away?

The IRS scandal.

Fast and furious, selling guns to criminals.

Torture at Gitmo.

Seems to me Reid expects the government and the people to operate by two different standards. The people are expected to follow the law when the government is excused.

If Reid truly wanted to uphold the law, lets start with basic human rights and go after the people who approved the use of torture on detainees.

Spidey explained it here:

Unjust laws are not to be followed

We fought a war over this shit.

Some of the laws you listed are unjust and other are just. Obama is just trying to make Spidey happy.

 

[Jhhnn]

If Reid truly wanted to uphold the law, lets start with basic human rights and go after the people who approved the use of torture on detainees.

Bush & Cheney for starters?

How many un- & semi- related issues can you conflate into a rant, anyway?

 

[glenn1]

That's an interesting reading of the facts to say the least. What kind of drugs are you on?

Evidently the kind which allow me to read and comprehend the written word. See above:

The dispute that triggered the roundup dates to 1993, when the BLM cited concern for the federally protected tortoise. The agency later revoked Bundy's grazing rights. In 1999, the Nevada district court permanently barred Bundy from grazing his cattle on the land, charging him $200 per animal per day they remained on the land; the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the injunction.

 

[Texashiker]

You support breaking the law, based on religious reasons.

That sir is a flat out lie.

Quote one post, just a single post where I reference religion in my stance.

Bush & Cheney for starters?

Sounds good to me.

Criminals should not be protected due to party affiliation.

 

[boomerang]

The feds ignore the law with regularity. Eric Holder has specifically instructed Attorneys General throughout the nation that there are laws that they may ignore. Why does this ability to pick and choose not filter down to the general populace? Do we have two sets of standards where the law is concerned?

 

[Jaskalas]

Harry Reid, two words: Illegal Immigration.

When it butters his bread to do so, this man condemns United States law. 'Nuff said.

 

[fskimospy]

Evidently the kind which allow me to read and comprehend the written word. See above:

Can you explain how the feds are doing a 'land grab' on land they already had the exclusive rights to?

 

[Oldgamer]

I thought the video in this article was pretty in depth about what is really going on with this Rancher. It looks like the "right wingers" are rallying to this guys cause even though they know he is clearly breaking the law. This isn't about a land grab by BLM and it never was, in fact Bundy's cattle have gone well past the BLM land and onto farther land areas encroaching and grazing farther and farther out. This guy is getting free roam and feed for his cows without having to pay a cent.

Video here that spells out a less "radical" conservative view of the Bundy rancher issue

By the way, Bundy has said many times he does not recognize the US Government, and only recognizes Nevada's law.

 

[Matt1970]

Harry Reid, two words: Illegal Immigration.

When it butters his bread to do so, this man condemns United States law. 'Nuff said.

This. Ignoring 20 million law breakers that could lead to 15 million registered democrats is just fine but lets throw the book at some guy feeding his cattle.

 

[Texashiker]

I thought the video in this article was pretty in depth about what is really going on with this Rancher. It looks like the "right wingers" are rallying to this guys cause even though they know he is clearly breaking the law. This isn't about a land grab by BLM and it never was, in fact Bundy's cattle have gone well past the BLM land and onto farther land areas encroaching and grazing farther and farther out. This guy is getting free roam and feed for his cows without having to pay a cent.

While I understand your point, where is the crime?

Where is the crime in letting cattle roam an open prairie?

 

[fskimospy]

While I understand your point, where is the crime?

Where is the crime in letting cattle roam an open prairie?

So you wouldn't mind if Bundy sent all his cattle over to your land to graze for free then, right?

 

[Incorruptible]

Harry Reid is a liberal piece of crap. Why doesn't he say anything about the illegal immigrants?

 

[Oldgamer]

While I understand your point, where is the crime?

Where is the crime in letting cattle roam an open prairie?

Are you really from Texas?? Do you know the amount of damage that cattle do to lands? In addition, when does it become OK to just allow someones cattle herd to trespass on other land areas that belong to someone else? This guy is a rancher who gets subsidies most likely for his farm, and here he is getting free feed and roam for his cattle, yet every other Rancher has to pay fees and other costs on their farms and lands should their cattle roam and graze off their land. This guy is a moocher. He didn't own this land and never did. He is breaking the law, what do you folks not get about this?

 

[Texashiker]

Are you really from Texas?? Do you know the amount of damage that cattle do to lands? In addition, when does it become OK to just allow someones cattle herd to trespass on other land areas that belong to someone else?

Land belongs to who? The federal government? So what?

This is a victimless crime.

 

[Oldgamer]

Land belongs to who? The federal government? So what?

This is a victimless crime.

The land belongs to the tax payers and yes belongs to the federal government. By the way there has been a long serious problem of over grazing in Nevada, and many have complained for years about scarce forage on mostly dry lands across the West between livestock, wild horses and wildlife, rangeland scientists say is the BLM areas are being overgrazed. You really don't know much about cattle and how much damage they do, do you?

 

[Jhhnn]

Harry Reid is a liberal piece of crap. Why doesn't he say anything about the illegal immigrants?

Duh-vert! Duh-vert! Duh-vert! Sound the klaxon, dive deep into the safe & comforting waters of denial!

 

[Jhhnn]

Harry Reid, two words: Illegal Immigration.

When it butters his bread to do so, this man condemns United States law. 'Nuff said.

Reference my reply to Incomprehensible.

 

[Texashiker]

You really don't know much about cattle and how much damage they do, do you?

I see it all the time around here. Cattle and horses will strip the land to nothing.