Harry Reid uses the 'nuclear option'

[werepossum]

So Reid stopped the GOP from more fiddling while Rome burns? Good, about Fing time.

He's a shocker, why doesn't the GOP actually do something constructive to help the country and the economy?

Work something out that will actually help and pass it. Crazy fking thought

Fail. This is a bill that the Democrats supposedly believe will stop the burning. The Republicans are saying "Fine, let's vote on it." Instead of calling their bluff, the Democrats are saying "No no no, we have lots more fiddling to do."

The bill is a turd as written. Democrats up for reelection can't be seen to vote for it, yet the only thing on which Democrats can campaign is Republican obstructionism. So the Democrats have to prevent a vote at all costs, at least until they make it so abominably worse that Democrats can safely vote for it knowing Republicans can't chance voting for it. That puts Democrats in the awkward position of having to obstruct whilst also blaming the Republicans for being obstructionist. They know their Yellow Dog Democrats will take whatever they dump on them, but they must really be sweating whether or not independents are so vapidly ignorant as to buy this juggling act.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...8qI5-A?docId=6840687314124a66b3fb506c2cb2b518

Looks like compromise to me...

No, no, no. Compromise is when Democrats write a bill behind closed doors, Republicans vote for it, and then Democrats blame Republicans for the bill being most suitable for fertilizer.

 

[Ausm]

We already discussed the republicans dont feel the govt can provide jobs in any meaningful way, thus no jobs bill from the house. And what are you talking about? Republicans in the senate want to vote on Obama's bill but Reid is blocking it. Why does Reid hate America?

Are you this stupid or just putting on a good act...I think I would choose the former. So then that means the GOP is clueless and are just throwing their hands up and basically not doing their job at all then which you seem to endorse.

 

[Ausm]

You arent making any sense.

Your an idiot...nice backpeddling. You mean you can't understand the simple fact that you initiated this conversation by butting in another conversation I was having with PJ?

I suggest taking some reading comprehension classes STAT.

 

[ProfJohn]

Hey Dumbfuck don't you realize all spending bills originate from the house so this is all going to be a futile effort anyway.

Wrong:
"All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

And if what you say is true then why are the Democrats even talking about the bill before the house passes it? And why did Harry Reid introduce the bill himself? Is the Senate Majority Leader ignorant of the constitution?

Wiki explains it nicely:
"According to the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 7, clause 1), all bills relating to revenue, generally tax bills, must originate in the House of Representatives, consistent with the Westminster system requiring all money bills to originate in the lower house which is why the appropriations bills that are enacted begin with "H.R.", indicating a bill that originated in the House. The Constitution also states that the "Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills," so in practice, the Senate and House each drafts and considers its own bill. The Senate then "cuts-and-pastes", substituting the language of its bill of a particular appropriations bill for the language of House bill, then agrees to the bill as amended."

 

[Genx87]

Are you this stupid or just putting on a good act...I think I would choose the former. So then that means the GOP is clueless and are just throwing their hands up and basically not doing their job at all then which you seem to endorse.

We already discussed cluelessness on the last page. Do you like repeating yourself?

And what about Reid? Why does he hate America so much to block Obama's jobs bill?

 

[Genx87]

Your an idiot...nice backpeddling. You mean you can't understand the simple fact that you initiated this conversation by butting in another conversation I was having with PJ?

I suggest taking some reading comprehension classes STAT.

This is what you said to me

I was talking to you about it in the first place you butted in ...or do you have some short term memory loss

How can I butt in when you are talking to me? And it looks like a few thoughts mashed into a poorly written response.

I suggest some proof reading for your future posts.

Also, when calling somebody an idiot. It is a good idea to know the difference between "your" and "you're".

 

[werepossum]

Wrong:
"All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

And if what you say is true then why are the Democrats even talking about the bill before the house passes it? And why did Harry Reid introduce the bill himself? Is the Senate Majority Leader ignorant of the constitution?

Wiki explains it nicely:
"According to the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 7, clause 1), all bills relating to revenue, generally tax bills, must originate in the House of Representatives, consistent with the Westminster system requiring all money bills to originate in the lower house which is why the appropriations bills that are enacted begin with "H.R.", indicating a bill that originated in the House. The Constitution also states that the "Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills," so in practice, the Senate and House each drafts and considers its own bill. The Senate then "cuts-and-pastes", substituting the language of its bill of a particular appropriations bill for the language of House bill, then agrees to the bill as amended."

Some spending and taxation bills are also originated in the Senate. You can tell because they'll take an innocuous House bill and replace its language with completely different language.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Hey Dumbfuck don't you realize all spending bills originate from the house so this is all going to be a futile effort anyway.

A bill can originate in the house, but to be usable, it needs to pass both chambers in some form and then be approved by the WH. At present everyone wants it their way, so nothing is being started due to it being a waste of time. Obama demostrated that the Dems themselves can not come to a consensus amoung themselves, yet time is against them in terms of getting a workable solution out enough for Obama go get credit. 9% will not help him, he blew that out the window on the initial flawed stimulus. He will need close to 7% to help him. And it will have to be private sector, not gov make work jobs.

The road/bridges will help, but will not be enough to lower significantly. The multiplier effect takes time to circulate. This would have been excellent back in the first round to combat employment #s, not now.

He has 8 months to get business convinced that they can start hiring.
July will be when the final economic indicators will become available to show progress.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Are you all really this dense?

Anyone who actually knows how deals get done in Washington KNOWS that it does take a certain amount of wrangling, even within members of ones own party. If you don't think a bill of THIS magnitude in THIS political climate isn't going to require the same then you really are stupid. The bill will never pass as-is in its current iteration, it will likely be modified several times before it even gets voted on.

Please, remove the partisan glasses.

 

[Ausm]

Are you all really this dense?

Anyone who actually knows how deals get done in Washington KNOWS that it does take a certain amount of wrangling, even within members of ones own party. If you don't think a bill of THIS magnitude in THIS political climate isn't going to require the same then you really are stupid. The bill will never pass as-is in its current iteration, it will likely be modified several times before it even gets voted on.

Please, remove the partisan glasses.

No I realize this just going through the normal shit that happens when you engage with arguments with assholes who argue everything out to the nth degree.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

No I realize this just going through the normal shit that happens when you engage with arguments with assholes who are everything out to the nth degree.

Oh...the irony of it all.

 

[ProfJohn]

The multiplier effect takes time to circulate.

There are serious questions and doubts as to whether the multiplier effect actually exists.

Economic studies of the 1st stimulus are all over place with some people claiming the effect and others claiming a negative effect.

There is no proof that this bill will have a positive effect. It is all theory and speculation.

 

[woolfe9999]

Am I the only one who is getting tired of all this political blame game crap and is wondering when was the last time the American people were considered by either party?

 

[Genx87]

Oh...the irony of it all.

 

[Jhhnn]

Am I the only one who is getting tired of all this political blame game crap and is wondering when was the last time the American people were considered by either party?

So, uhh, what would you suggest that Dems put on the tee for Repubs to swat out in the weeds?

If you're being honest at all, you need to recognize that's what will happen...

I suspect that the final form of the bill will clarify that, after everybody puts their cards on the table. Right now, McConnell is trying to deal three card monte...

 

[Ausm]

I think that would include yourself.

 

[Ausm]

This is what you said to me



How can I butt in when you are talking to me? And it looks like a few thoughts mashed into a poorly written response.

I suggest some proof reading for your future posts.

Also, when calling somebody an idiot. It is a good idea to know the difference between "your" and "you're".

You not even addressing the post in question so why don't you drop it

 

[ProfJohn]

Isn't it ironic that the Democrats want more rules and regulations in the economy, but want less rules and regulations in the running the Senate.

They finally understand that rules and regulations get in the way of getting stuff done :hmm:

 

[Ausm]

Wrong:
"All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

And if what you say is true then why are the Democrats even talking about the bill before the house passes it? And why did Harry Reid introduce the bill himself? Is the Senate Majority Leader ignorant of the constitution?

Wiki explains it nicely:
"According to the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 7, clause 1), all bills relating to revenue, generally tax bills, must originate in the House of Representatives, consistent with the Westminster system requiring all money bills to originate in the lower house which is why the appropriations bills that are enacted begin with "H.R.", indicating a bill that originated in the House. The Constitution also states that the "Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills," so in practice, the Senate and House each drafts and considers its own bill. The Senate then "cuts-and-pastes", substituting the language of its bill of a particular appropriations bill for the language of House bill, then agrees to the bill as amended."

Dude your fucking hopeless your quoting the obvious ...I realize in an FUNCTIONAL Congress that is how it works but do you really think this Congress is capable of producing ANYTHING substantial when the House and the Senate are so deeply divided?

 

[Ausm]

We already discussed cluelessness on the last page. Do you like repeating yourself?

And what about Reid? Why does he hate America so much to block Obama's jobs bill?

Back at you does that chinless fuck McConnell hate America so much to filibuster every piece of substantial legislation that goes through the Senate?

 

[Ausm]

Isn't it ironic that the Democrats want more rules and regulations in the economy, but want less rules and regulations in the running the Senate.

They finally understand that rules and regulations get in the way of getting stuff done :hmm:

Your not going to be laughing the next time the Dems are in the Minority in the Senate and fuck your party over using the same tactics.

 

[ProfJohn]

Dude your fucking hopeless your quoting the obvious ...I realize in an FUNCTIONAL Congress that is how it works but do you really think this Congress is capable of producing ANYTHING substantial when the House and the Senate are so deeply divided?

Stop trying to changing the subject.

Obama wants a vote on his jobs bill.

The Senate Republicans want a vote on the jobs bill.

The Senate Democrats DON'T want a vote on the jobs bill.

The President's own party doesn't support his bill and yet people like you want to blame the Republicans.

 

[Ausm]

Stop trying to changing the subject.

Obama wants a vote on his jobs bill.

The Senate Republicans want a vote on the jobs bill.

The Senate Democrats DON'T want a vote on the jobs bill.

The President's own party doesn't support his bill and yet people like you want to blame the Republicans.

I am not changing the subject this has been my point for the last 60 threads I posted in here and if you can't understand that then well I guess that's your problem then.

 

[shira]

So it looks like Harry Reid was afraid of being embarrassed by forcing a vote on the Obama jobs bill so he went nuclear.

So Obama is going around the country talking about how his bill needs to be passed, but his own party won't let anyone vote on the thing....

Read your own article. The nuclear option is a tactic to overcome filibusters. What happened today is NOT the nuclear option.

In 2005, Republicans considered the "true" nuclear option to overcome threatened filibusters by the Democrats of confirmation votes of conservative judges nominated to federal courts by the President. Ultimately a compromise was reached between Democrats and Republicans on those votes and the nuclear option was never used.

What happened today is a big nothing. Republicans tried using a procedural stunt to embarrass Democrats. So the Dems used their own procedural stunt to block that stunt. But no substantive change to which legislation is passed or not passed occurred.

If you love political posturing, then you're outraged by the Democrats' anti-stunt stunt. Frankly, I approve of anything which prevents useless political posturing in Congress, whether it prevents posturing from the left or the right.

 

[Jhhnn]

There are serious questions and doubts as to whether the multiplier effect actually exists.

Economic studies of the 1st stimulus are all over place with some people claiming the effect and others claiming a negative effect.

There is no proof that this bill will have a positive effect. It is all theory and speculation.

Speaking of all over the place... you're there, pal.

The notion that spending money to hire people to do work with purchased materials won't provide some stimulus is delusional...

But you already know that, even as you attempt to perform a rhetorical pirouette on the head of a pin...