Harry Browne praises Fox news coverage!

[AndrewR]

Seriously, this morning one of the local stations here in Atlanta had Harry Browne on for about 15 minutes, and he said that Fox and CSPAN have been the best at giving his party exposure and coverage. I just thought it was interesting because of the allegations of extreme bias and horrible reporting of Fox.

He seemed like an interesting guy though he was a little offbase. One of the guys on the show was telling him that the two large parties package their message better and give the people what they want, and Harry just could NOT accept that since he kept inferring that this meant that those parties were better (both of the radio guys support him in reality). It's frankly true that the Reps and Dems package their message better by promising people what they think will benefit them. The Libertarian message is a more intellectual one and requires much more investigation than just "I'll give you prescription drugs and tax cuts". I am not sure I agree with the Libertarians, but Mr. Browne was somewhat impressive with the exception of what I wrote above. It would have been an interesting debate if they had included him (as opposed to Nader and Buchanan, who are just idiots).

 

[nd]

They would never include Browne in a debate. He'd tear them apart, and probably get an instant following among common voters even.

 

[DAM]

he is a very interesting and smart man, he came to our university to talk about his platform, very good stuff. and yes it does require thinking *gasp*

but you have to love america, who likes to think anyway??? :---(










dam(dum)

 

[Chef0083]

If I thought Browne had a chance in hell I would vote for him without a doubt. However, I feel like if I do so I am helping a candidate that I DON'T want to win against the one that I would prefer. It sucks....

 

[nd]

Chef,

If you think Browne is the best man, please vote for him. You don't want to vote for the "lesser of 2 evils" (probably Bush for you) all your life, do you?

Think of it this way. Do you think your vote for Bush (assuming that's who a Browne supporter would vote for) will really help him beat Gore? Do you think your vote will be the tie-breaker in your state? The chances of that happening are very riduculous.. voting for either candidate (Bush or Gore) will essentially have no effect in the outcome.

And since your vote has essentially no effect in helping Bush or Gore win, at least make your vote meaningful to you and vote for Browne. He needs the support, and voting Libertarian will bring much more attention to your vote.

 

[Capn]

I don't particularly agree with Browne's stance on environmental issues.

 

[nd]

Red Dawn,

Talk is cheap, give an example.

 

[nd]

I don't watch FOX news 24/7 or anything, but from the shows I've seen there it seems pretty fair. They always have a Democrat and Republican discussing things, and I don't think I can recall any liberal-bashing gone without someone to try and rebut the claims or show the flipside. Even the editorial/opinion shows like O'Reilly Factor are extremely fair in the way things are presented.

Just because someone on there says something you don't agree with doesn't mean the station is biased. Even if the station as a whole leans towards the right, I think that is certainly a good thing that is needed considering CNN, MSNBC, etc.

 

[AndrewR]

<< You'd have to be a moron or a Belig to not notice it. >>


So you think Harry Browne is a moron, Red?

I looked at their website, and I must say that parts of their philosophy are very unagreeable to me from a practical perspective. While I understand the underlying goal of smaller federal government, they merely shift the burden to the States and ensure the Balkanization of laws and a resulting bedlam of conflicting rules. It almost seems like the Libertarians want a return to the Articles of Confederation in effect.

Now, keep in mind that this is only my opinion after a very brief view of some of the issues they mention on that site. My basic reaction: The underlying goal is a good one, but it must be tinged with some practical recognition of the efficacy of federal government in certain situations. More research this weekend...

 

[Ferocious]

Harry Browne is demented.

Why the hell does anyone want to return to pre-1930's America? Where capatilism was at it's peak, guns were everywhere, government was very small, and the middle class was much smaller.

Fox news is indeed very biased. C-Span is good IMHO.

Routinely including about an hour ago, the major networks carried Clinton's speech live....except Fox. A while back when all the networks carried Clinton's live response to the China PTR vote....Fox broke away at the beginning and focused on a story about Paula Jones...good grief.

 

[BoberFett]

<< Where capatilism was at it's peak, guns were everywhere, government was very small >>

These are good things.

 

[slipperyslope]

Why do people WANT a government to tell them how to live??? I personally want a small national government that lets states make some decisions. Clinton proved last week with his lowering the blood alcohol level that he WANTS states to have no control. Clinton and Gore want everyone to run to the democrats to be told what to do. They want brainless people who will just give there money away to the government.

The other side of the picture with the Republicans is not a better picture but at least they are wanting to do the samething at a slower pace

HARRY BROWNE FOR PRESIDENT

Jim

p.s. I am not going to get into an argument about this crap so if you wish to flame me (ie Red Dawn you are wasting your breathe. It will fall on deaf ears)

OH YEAH I FORGOT....Gore can make socialism work!!! Yeah thats it.

 

[WetSprocket]

I kind of like giving the states more control. If you dont like what state you live in you can always move to another one(still in US). I have to agree with BF.

 

[AndrewR]

In theory, the idea of giving states more control over their own affairs is appealing. However, it's always been my perspective that the farther away from federal government you get, the more idiotic the politicians get. Yes, I realize who serves on the federal level -- my opinion of local and state officials is even lower.

Therefore, we're giving more power to people who are less capable. Obviously, I am generalizing to an enormous extent, and perhaps there would be a migration of brain power to the state level where the power is. As it stands now, I am fearful of giving the Georgia state government any additional responsibility -- they screw up everything they have already.

Don't start about local government either -- it's the most corrupt level around. Our wonderful mayor here in Atlanta has accepted nearly $200,000 in speaking fees over the last 6 years, and actively pushes contractors to give payola to minority contractors and subcontractors for city work. He'll be indicted soon enough though. There's an example of where federal oversight is needed.

 

[Shuxclams]

<< It almost seems like the Libertarians want a return to the Articles of Confederation in effect. >>



I am voting Harry Browne and I admire Thomas Jefferson too.



SHUX

 

[BoberFett]

AndrewR

Tell me you aren't serious. Do you really think that the bureaucrats and politicians at the fed level are any more responsible or moral than local ones? If anything they're worse, it's harder to keep an eye on them.


Shux

Maybe you're not such a bad guy after all.

 

[Orbius]

Fox news is freaking terrible! Never have I seen such an abuse of media power. Obviously Rupert Murdoch(CEO of Fox) is hoping for a ton of favors if the Republicans get elected. Imagine if Fox owned a few more of the news channels, it would seriously erode the integrity of our Democracy(whats left of it).

 

[Shuxclams]

FOX news at its finest, god americans a fvcking retarded.



SHUX

 

[Shuxclams]

<< Shux

Maybe you're not such a bad guy after all. >>



I knew that, hell everyone knows that!




SHUX

 

[BoberFett]

Nevermind

 

[AndrewR]

Bober: I didn't say anything about morality or responsibility. I meant intelligence. There are some seriously stupid people in state and local government, and they are much more common at that level than at the national level. Obviously, you can point out some prime examples of stupidity on a national level, but I have never been truly amazed at the stupidity of politicians as when I see some people on TV or in the newspaper that are subsequently identified as &quot;state senators&quot; or representatives or whatever.

BTW, I really have no basis for commenting on Fox News one way or the other since I haven't watched too much of it. I have noticed the significant attacks leveled against it on AT. Those attacks have generally come from those who are leaning toward the non-Dem/Rep candidates, which is why I was surprised at Browne's statement this morning.

 

[BoberFett]

The only thing that intelligence in a politician adds is the ability to screw you over without being discovered. I'd prefer representatives with an average intelligence. They are representatives and not our masters, right?

 

[JellyBaby]

Gore=Bush, Bush=Gore. Folks if you vote for either Bush Jr. Or Albert Gore this is what you'll get and you know it. Scary ain't it? The two-party system cares more about growing itself than bettering America. The proof of this is easily apparent any day of the week just watch TV.

AndrewR,

Your argument that federal politicians are more intelligent is a crock. They're more polished, wear more expensive suits and ties and love TV coverage and have federal-sized egos. Intelligence varies from official to official. I simply do not believe the brightest blubs end up on the federal christmas tree.

One things for certain: corruption at the federal level is vastly more serious than at your local level simply due to the huge amounts of money involved at the national level! Damn people when the Dept. of Housing and Urban Development &quot;misplaces&quot; several billion dollars nobody seems to care but when some local mayor can't account for $2,500 in donations everybody gets on his case!

 

[vi edit]

OMG! It's Warren Beatey! :Q