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pauldun170

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Nerdist is already scrubbing him from their site.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/n...k-references-site-alleged-abuse-claim-1120557

What a piece of shit.

Medium is blocked at work so all I saw was this

..disturbing allegations from the relationship, including rules that the man allegedly made for her, like that she could not go out at night unless he was there, no male friends and no drinking because he was sober, so she had to be.

Maybe I'm just old and have been around the block but that's something just about every guy I've know has gone through with a girlfriend at some point. Where it's the girlfriend who laid out those rules.

Hell, those rules are in place for half the husbands in my neighborhood.
 
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Medium is blocked at work so all I saw was this

Maybe I'm just old and have been around the block but that's something just about every guy I've know has gone through with a girlfriend at some point. Where it's the girlfriend who laid out those rules.

Hell, those rules are in place for half the husbands in my neighborhood.
When you get the chance to read her story, you'll see it is so much worse.
 

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If we take everything written in the medium article as absolute truth the guy was a classic emotionally manipulative douchebag of a boyfriend. Yeah, that's really bad, but I don't see anything in the article that makes me go say this guy should be behind bars. According to the medium article the "rules" were established within first two weeks of dating, agreeing to them was a really poor judgement, but it looks like the guy was upfront about what he wanted out of relationship. As far as sexual assault, she says it's sexual assault, but when you read further, I don't see any violence or threat of violence. There was implied threat of a breakup, which is very douchy manipulative bullshit, but again, that's not the same as physical assault or threat of physical violence. The guy was/is total douche, but from what I understand, he did not commit any criminal acts.
 
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If we take everything written in the medium article as absolute truth the guy was a classic emotionally manipulative douchebag of a boyfriend. Yeah, that's really bad, but I don't see anything in the article that makes me go say this guy should be behind bars. According to the medium article the "rules" were established within first two weeks of dating, agreeing to them was a really poor judgement, but it looks like the guy was upfront about what he wanted out of relationship. As far as sexual assault, she says it's sexual assault, but when you read further, I don't see any violence or threat of violence. There was implied threat of a breakup, which is very douchy manipulative bullshit, but again, that's not the same as physical assault or threat of physical violence. The guy was/is total douche, but from what I understand, he did not commit any criminal acts.

You don't actually know what sexual assault is then. It does not have to be violent at all. It literally is sexual touching of any kind without consent. No, that doesn't mean if you accidentally brushed a woman's boob/butt that its assault. If you were explicitly being sexual and they were not consenting, that is sexual assault.

Don't take my word for it, that's literally on a fucking government website:
https://www.womenshealth.gov/relationships-and-safety/sexual-assault-and-rape
Sexual assault is any kind of unwanted sexual activity, from touching to rape.

Pretty sure sexual assault is a crime most places.
 
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You don't actually know what sexual assault is then. It does not have to be violent at all. It literally is sexual touching of any kind without consent. No, that doesn't mean if you accidentally brushed a woman's boob/butt that its assault. If you were explicitly being sexual and they were not consenting, that is sexual assault.

Don't take my word for it, that's literally on a fucking government website:
https://www.womenshealth.gov/relationships-and-safety/sexual-assault-and-rape


Pretty sure sexual assault is a crime most places.
Life is not black and white. What you're describing is more akin to sexual harassment, not the same as sexual assault. And again, emotionally manipulating someone into having sex with them is a very shitty thing to do, but it is not sexual assault. There has to be at least threat of violence for it to be sexual assault. By her own blog it doesn't sound like there was one.
 
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#1 It's an accusation.

I don't need to speculate on when to start calling strangers pieces of shit just because an accusation is made.
Especially when it involves personal relationships.

So you're defending the guy because?

You certainly don't have jack shit tangible to call it into question either (so a simple "well its just accusations for now" would have sufficed). I'm not saying you need to be getting pitchforks and calling for him to be castrated or other such idiocy, but you defending him (and your argument about women imposing such rules is) is straight up stupid. Sorry but if you think those rules are typical you're straight fucked in the head. This isn't "don't go out getting drunk with your buddies at strip clubs", this was "you no longer have guy friends, except possibly co-workers, you don't go out with your friends, you don't have pictures of you with other guys in your apartment, you can't take pictures of us". I don't know what women you're around (let alone what group took over your neighborhood), but I've never known a woman that imposed shit like that that was not crazy. And yes, I've known guys that go along with it, and that is not ok either.

Actually I'm calling bullshit that you even fucking read the article, because if you read this and think its fine, then holy fucking shit.

Every night, I laid there for him, occasionally in tears. He called it “starfishing”. He thought the whole idea was funny. To be fair, I did go along with it out of fear of losing him. I’m still recovering from being sexually used (not in a super fun way) for three years.

Yeah, totally normal behavior:
Because of my leaving him for someone else, he made calls to several companies I received regular work from to get me fired by threatening to never work with them. He succeeded. I was blacklisted. With the assistance of a woman who’d gained my trust and my heart over the past year, he steamrolled my career.

Sure, just accusation, but if you're seriously going to defend shit like that as normal, then, sorry, just no, that's fucked up.
 
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There has to be at least threat of violence for it to be sexual assault.
Incorrect.

Please don't continue to be ignorant and get yourself in trouble for sexual assault. Also, making harassment sound like it is something you are more cool with isn't a good look.

"But I said it is shitty!" is your response. Stop parsing awful behavior like there's a ranking system for it.

To paraphrase someone else: we aren't measuring these men in 1 HW units. (Harvey Weinstein) where if they don't meet this level of awfulness, then is it really a problem?
 

jackstar7

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#1 It's an accusation.

I don't need to speculate on when to start calling strangers pieces of shit just because an accusation is made.
Especially when it involves personal relationships.
You say this like it is some glib or flippant thing, this accusation.

This is why more people don't come forward.

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The concern about false accusations starts from a place of an implied denial of all accusers.
 
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Life is not black and white. What you're describing is more akin to sexual harassment, not the same as sexual assault. And again, emotionally manipulating someone into having sex with them is a very shitty thing to do, but it is not sexual assault. There has to be at least threat of violence for it to be sexual assault. By her own blog it doesn't sound like there was one.

Ok? No shit?

No, you're wrong. No shit its not the same, the problem is you don't know what sexual assault actually is. Its as simple as that. Harassment can include sexual assault, but harassment is typically verbal (and some even indicate its basically almost only in certain situations like at work; although she did apparently work for his company). If there is any sexual physical touching as part of that, it becomes full on sexual assault (as a separate aspect). Yes, often times harassment is used to enable assault, but you are simply wrong in your assessment if you think him having sex with her (at least one time she clearly indicated non-consent, which is why he then made the comment to get her to agree to it) was not sexual assault. You'd be ridiculously wrong to claim it was sexual harassment but somehow not sexual assault as well once it became physical after the harassment.

Again, a government website:
https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sexual_harassment.cfm
It is unlawful to harass a person (an applicant or employee) because of that person’s sex. Harassment can include “sexual harassment” or unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature.

No it doesn't. You're 100% wrong on that. No threat or violence is necessary for it to be assault. Its literally any explicitly sexual touching that was not actually consensual. Now, maybe you're trying to argue that well she did consent to it, or you might not see him threatening to break up with her as a threat, but a threat does not have to be explicitly violent/physical for it to be a threat. And FYI, yes the full situation would absolutely make her claims of it not having been consensual be valid as he clearly was manipulating her (so it can't be harassment but not assault if he had physical sexual contact with her after the harassment). If you manipulate someone to have sex with them, that's both sexual harassment and sexual assault. The harassment would make the consent invalid for any physical sexual contact. That's why sexual harassment is taken so seriously, because it often explicitly enables sexual assault to happen. The harassment is used to enable the person to commit the assault without having to do harm (which again, does not have to be violence or even anything directly physical; hell it doesn't even have to be an explicit threat, meaning that someone having to choose "well do I give my boss oral sex and they'll give me a raise/promotion, but if I don't, they're not going to be happy, so there is likely going to be some repercussion for that" there was no express threat that they would even suffer any consequences for not doing it, but that would absolutely count as sexual harassment, and so if they actually went through with it they could absolutely claim the sex act then made it full on sexual assault).

Now, its possible that depending on the state it would fall under other definitions (for instance, how some places have sexual battery as a separately defined thing from sexual assault), but generally unwanted sexual physical contact is sexual assault. That doesn't mean it would actually be charged (and often, yes, its not even brought to trial), but that's a separate issue (from talking about what defines sexual assault vs sexual harassment). Yes there are other aspects that muddy things up (like how some places didn't even have laws about rape and assault between married persons).

This was added later:

And before this turns into "well its not the same as Cosby/etc", yes, but trying to act like its not heinous is what lets them go from this level to that level. I can basically guarantee that there is escalation, so if you let this type of behavior slip by, it definitely has a strong likelihood of becoming worse.

Yes, relationships are complex, but the allegations made here are pretty clearly horrible. Yes, you can see minor aspects of similar behaviors in a lot of "regular" relationships, which is why its the sum of the factors. And yes, it doesn't matter if its a man or a woman doing this shit. But yes, there are lots of guys that end up in similar situations, and they'd get little sympathy for it, let alone get taken seriously if they started talking about it being assault, and that is awful and bullshit.

That's why I think its important to take a strong tone about this and be like "yeah, this type of shit shouldn't fly, that's not a healthy relationship at all" so that people don't go in thinking its ok to be asking for that type of shit in the first place. But sure, stuff like that works for some people, but then you wouldn't typically have such allegations when that's the case so I think that's a fairly self-defeating argument.

If this behavior seems normal to you, I'd strongly suggest that you need to have a discussion with your partner and see if you're actually on the same page. I'd even say this works as a sorta Rorschach test where you both read it and then write out how you felt about the various parts, and then read what the other wrote down. And maybe think about what aspects of this behavior seems familiar, and think if it actually was fine. I don't think it has to turn into freaking out about every little thing, but it'd be healthy to talk about the relationship and what is and isn't ok. You might find that you were doing something that you thought was ok but the other person wasn't ok with, and vice versa (the other person was doing something that they thought was fine, but you weren't ok with).
 
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I'm trying to figure out how a D list nobody like Hardwick even has the clout to pull a "I'll never work with you" blacklisting maneuver.
 
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And followup thought: if you're a production company getting threatening "I'll never work with you unless you stop working with so-and-so" calls, at what point do alarm bells start going off?
 
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pauldun170

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So you're defending the guy because?

You certainly don't have jack shit tangible to call it into question either (so a simple "well its just accusations for now" would have sufficed). I'm not saying you need to be getting pitchforks and calling for him to be castrated or other such idiocy, but you defending him (and your argument about women imposing such rules is) is straight up stupid. Sorry but if you think those rules are typical you're straight fucked in the head. This isn't "don't go out getting drunk with your buddies at strip clubs", this was "you no longer have guy friends, except possibly co-workers, you don't go out with your friends, you don't have pictures of you with other guys in your apartment, you can't take pictures of us". I don't know what women you're around (let alone what group took over your neighborhood), but I've never known a woman that imposed shit like that that was not crazy. And yes, I've known guys that go along with it, and that is not ok either.

Actually I'm calling bullshit that you even fucking read the article, because if you read this and think its fine, then holy fucking shit.



Yeah, totally normal behavior:


Sure, just accusation, but if you're seriously going to defend shit like that as normal, then, sorry, just no, that's fucked up.


Too bad I never defended the guy. Then your long winded post would actually make sense.
 

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You say this like it is some glib or flippant thing, this accusation.

This is why more people don't come forward.

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pauldun170: Let's hear the robber's side of things.
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The concern about false accusations starts from a place of an implied denial of all accusers.

It's an accusation.
I'm not joining your mob.
Feel free to rant your ass off.

There was one piece of the article that caught my eye.I commented about it. The rest of it did not interest me.

No little scenarios or nonsensical assumptions made by members of this forum or wall of words is going to change anything.
 
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jackstar7

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It's an accusation.
I'm not joining your mob.
Feel free to rant your ass off.

There was one piece of the article that caught my eye.I commented about it. The rest of it did not interest me.

No little scenarios or nonsensical assumptions made by members of this forum or wall of words is going to change anything.
Cool. What's compelling you to keep replying?
 

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It is really sad that it ended up this way for her. It seems that no matter where you look in the male Hollywood crowd, this seems to be way too normal. Maybe this part of the reason she couldn't escape him? There are so many men that would have treated her like a queen.

I just feel that almost every woman is abused to some extent in that industry. The actors guild should provide them access to bodyguard escorts or just some place to call as a lifeline when this happens.