hardware price drops vs. value

CTho9305

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ARGH. some kid today was trying to explain to me why I should sell him my Asus K7V + SlotA Tbird 700 + 256mb pc100 for about $65. He proceeded to show me how, new, this hardware goes for about $80, and since it is used, $65 is reasonable. We also looked up how much it would cost for me to upgrade to the hardware I'd get (a tbird 1.4, sis735 mobo, 256mb pc2100) and it looks like about $180 including shipping (from pricewatch). So... the net result would be that I could upgrade to that hardware for $180-$70, which is $110.

Now, my room-mate (partly by my recommendation ;)) has that exact hardware. When I consider the benefits, there is NO WAY upgrading from mine to his is worth $110. What marginal benefit do I get? The kid who wants to buy my hardware said that normal stuff is faster. Uh... no, it really isn't, even in XP. Maybe minimally. I wouldn't pay a cent for the difference. So lets look at games. In every game we play (UT, Halflife, Starcraft, Quake3), my framerate is always playable. Sure, the 1.4 looks prettier, but the difference is once again not worth money to me. Unreal Tournament 2 is choppy for me - but since it isn't out yet, I see no reason to use that as a basis for a purchase today ;)

the "buyer" could not come up with any reason I agreed with that I would want to spend the $110 to upgrade, and then told me that I should take a business class to see that I SHOULD in fact sell it because that was the value. He is the one who needs to take the class - I should not sell unless I get some benefit from it.
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It is interesting how the sale price of hardware drops SO fast compared to the "actual" value. for most people, my system is probably as functional as an OEM 1ghz box, since they tend to use cheap video cards and other components. Buying the highest-end parts now doesn't really provide that much marginal benefit

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worth

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I agree ... If you bought/built a computer in the last 2 years, it's still usuable even though it might not be top notch anymore.

Sure that Geforce 3 is nice, but $350 for a marginal increase compared to my Geforce 2?
 

CTho9305

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exactly. and my roomie's system has a geforce2 pro... most of his benefit is from the CPU. but STILL the benefit is not worth the money. Now, when buying a new box, it's different. I don't know if I can explain why though :eek:
 

Renob

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Sure that Geforce 3 is nice, but $350 for a marginal increase compared to my Geforce 2?


Im not sure what Geforce 2 your talking about, but there is a huge diff between my old geforce 2 and my Geforce 3
 

worth

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Huge difference? In what game? I can pretty much run any game in at least 800x600, which is good enough.

Think about it this way--The new Detonator NVIDIA Drivers produced a 50% performance improving--for free! Geforce3 compared to Geforce2 produces about a 20% average improvement .. Worth the money?

worth.
 

BA

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eh, I still have a TNT2. Plays CS at 1024x768, I feel no great need to upgrade it.

And as far as my parents are concerned, my T-Bird is only marginally better than their P233.

Bottom line is, well, the bottom line. Why upgrade if it doesn't bother you?
 

pillage2001

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All this upgrading hype is not making any sense to me at all. I mean, why upgrade when you don't utilise it to it's fullest potential? Who needs a GF3 when you have a GF2 pro that plays almost any game at 800X600 and above?? I'm happy with my GTS 64mb for now and won't be upgrading for a long time.
 

Renob

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Huge difference? In what game? I can pretty much run any game in at least 800x600, which is good enough


I dont like things good enough! Trying running Serious Sam at 1240x1024 with all settings maxed on a G2 it like watching a slide show, on my G3 its VERY fast and smooth...........Try the same thing with Quake 3
 

StageLeft

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It is interesting how the sale price of hardware drops SO fast compared to the "actual" value.

Its true. Unless you literally have money burning a whole through your pocket and absolutely nothing else to spend it on, and you own a house, your car, have retirement fund growing, etc. spending money on the latest and greatest is ridiculous.

I've seen Geforce 3's go for $600 Canadian. Who the hell has that sort of money for a video card? Geeks with no life and a high credit card balance (ok not all, but I bet most who buy these :)).

I just today ordered a celeron 1000 and I expect it to do me for about a year. I'm not poor...ok I am cheap, but the fact is that and a geforce 2 which I will order will hook me up great. It should be able to smack most games at 1024X768, and above that you get increasingly diminishing returns. I could get a P4 2.0 overclocked with a Geforce 3 TI 500, but for what? All those extra hundreds of dollars could go to any number of other items.

Unlike in the past we're truly at a point now where you and spend _very little_ on a computer and still have it play all the new games very very well and even last you a few months down the road.
 

jehh

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A few points...

A GeForce 3 now costs $175, not $350... :)

You're looking at the 1.4GHz CPU, look at a 1.2Ghz CPU, better value... Or a Duron 950...

However, if it does what you need, you're right not to upgrade... hardware has gotten ahead of the software these days...

I run a 1.2GHz system and see nothing faster (other than DIVX encoding) over my 1.0GHz system or my 750MHz system...

That being said, my 1.2GHz system DOES encode DIVX much faster than the 750, but that is about it...

Max Payne runs better at high res (but then I have a 21" monitor, if you don't, who cares)...

That is about it...

Jason
 

StageLeft

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A GeForce 3 now costs $175, not $350...

TI 200!

jehh

Certainly for things like DivX more power can always come to use. You're right though in that hardware has gotten ahead of software. In the past if you bought the top of the line machine a couple years later for the average person's applications they might start feeling compelled for a new one. I gaurantee that in 2 years a top of the line athlon or intel now will not feel slow in the least running internet explorer and MS word!
 

pillage2001

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<< Huge difference? In what game? I can pretty much run any game in at least 800x600, which is good enough


I dont like things good enough! Trying running Serious Sam at 1240x1024 with all settings maxed on a G2 it like watching a slide show, on my G3 its VERY fast and smooth...........Try the same thing with Quake 3
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I believe that anything above 800X600 with 2X AA is acceptable for gamers out there.
 

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I believe that anything above 800X600 with 2X AA is acceptable for gamers out there.

Probably. I used to spend every nickle on new hardware and after about 2 years of this I realized that I had nothing to show for it except memories of hardware that was always better than it really needed to be :eek:
 

pillage2001

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<< I believe that anything above 800X600 with 2X AA is acceptable for gamers out there.

Probably. I used to spend every nickle on new hardware and after about 2 years of this I realized that I had nothing to show for it except memories of hardware that was always better than it really needed to be :eek:
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Yeah, i've just realized that I spend too much on stuffs that I don't need at all. :( Time to settle the debt which is really hampering me to the ground!
 

GoHAnSoN

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no, u c, we have to improve !
upgrading is the only way !!

without upgrading, intel , amd, MS will lose money !! we cannt stay where we are !
we must upgrade so that new technology will come out !!

if u have G2, throw away, get a G3
if u have P3, throw away, get P4 !
if u have AMD TB, throw away !, get XP !
get me ? :D
 

Renob

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I spend nothing on upgrade, and I upgrade all the time, I just build one or two systems every month and put in my old stuff mainly the mobo and drives and with the money I get for building the system I can put in new stuff in my system.........So yes it does cost me time.........But I think its a good cheap way to have the new stuff.
 

pillage2001

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<< no, u c, we have to improve !
upgrading is the only way !!

without upgrading, intel , amd, MS will lose money !! we cannt stay where we are !
we must upgrade so that new technology will come out !!

if u have G2, throw away, get a G3
if u have P3, throw away, get P4 !
if u have AMD TB, throw away !, get XP !
get me ? :D
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I'm gonna run over to your room and throw your Duron 700 and Kyro2 away now. :D

Renob, you've a job that pays well. Most of us don't really have that kinda money. :(
 

StageLeft

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Renob, you've a job that pays well. Most of us don't really have that kinda money.

Actually he has a good trick and one I've used in the past when available. Unfortunately I don't have the opportunity to do that so often, but its a good cheap way to upgrade your comp. What I've done a couple times is after a major computer upgrade (mobo, cpu, ram, maybe one more item), I just buy a few more bottom of the line items to go on my older gear and, as a whole system, sell it. You can make a few hundred bucks at least doing that.
 

GoHAnSoN

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seriously, i predict we will be eating silicon chips in near future instead of potato chips ! :)

if amd keep nailing intel :D
 

pillage2001

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<< Renob, you've a job that pays well. Most of us don't really have that kinda money.

Actually he has a good trick and one I've used in the past when available. Unfortunately I don't have the opportunity to do that so often, but its a good cheap way to upgrade your comp. What I've done a couple times is after a major computer upgrade (mobo, cpu, ram, maybe one more item), I just buy a few more bottom of the line items to go on my older gear and, as a whole system, sell it. You can make a few hundred bucks at least doing that.
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You see, the problem is that I've been building tons of system for no fees at all. :( If I were to charge, I would prolly have my own car now. It sucks. :(

GOhanson, go sleep before I run over to your room and pull out your AMD and make you eat silicon!
 

Siddhartha

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Often there is a big difference between needs and wants. Most people who are drive BMWs or Porsches really could get by with a 5 year old Toyota for transportation.

It sounds like you do not need or want to upgrade your system.
 

jehh

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<< A GeForce 3 now costs $175, not $350...

TI 200!

jehh

Certainly for things like DivX more power can always come to use. You're right though in that hardware has gotten ahead of software. In the past if you bought the top of the line machine a couple years later for the average person's applications they might start feeling compelled for a new one. I gaurantee that in 2 years a top of the line athlon or intel now will not feel slow in the least running internet explorer and MS word!
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Now, now... The TI200 is a GeForce 3... But I get your point. :) That being said, the GeForce 3 TI 200 is plenty for 99% of everyone... And it has now gotten reasonable in the pricing deparment... I waited until the GeForce 2 Pro was down to $130 before I bought it... :) (upgraded from a GeForce 2 MX, did see a difference in some games mostly because I run most games at 1600x1200...)

My brother has a K-6 233MHz system, it runs Win 98 / IE 4.0 / word 97 just fine for him, he sees no reason to upgrade... My Mom runs a Celeron 500 system, it runs the same software a bit faster, but just as well...

My system does as well, nice, but so what... Then again, I do DIVX encoding... :)

As for your comment about system speed in 3 years, you're right... Just always remember what Bill Gates said, "640K ought to be enough for anyone".

:D

Jason
 

jehh

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<< I believe that anything above 800X600 with 2X AA is acceptable for gamers out there.

Probably. I used to spend every nickle on new hardware and after about 2 years of this I realized that I had nothing to show for it except memories of hardware that was always better than it really needed to be :eek:
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Me too... That is why I haven't replaced my KT133A chipset board with a KT266A, my 1.2GHz T-Bird CPU with an XP 1800+, my GeForce 2 Pro with a GeForce 3, etc...

Those are all faster, but not by enough... I may switch when the 2GHz T-Birds come out (not 2000+, REAL 2GHz chips), until then I'm not likely to care about the speed difference...

Like you, I have the money, I could easily afford it... But I've got better things to spend my money on... :D

Jason