HARDOCP 2900xt Review! (a proper review)

[Captante]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Captante
Based on everything I've seen from reliable sources theres very little doubt ATI has lost this round ... the only thing to hope for is that driver updates will improve things quite a bit, or that the cards performance when overclocked is dramatically improved & sadly I think hoping for a strong comeback with R700 is more realistic.

Bottom line is that this is terrible news for all PC gaming enthusiests because with no real competition in the high end theres nothing to stop Nvidia from jacking prices through the roof & we'll be the ones that pay.

both negative reviews ?

or else you didn't read much of the conclusions ... or just stopped with the 'faults'
:roll:

HDXT competes with GTS very well ... it is a SUB $400 card ... not GTX - a $600 card

but the GTS is still cheaper and as you say "competes well..." so...yeah

Even if it was 25% faster then the GTS in every benchmark & had the same power-draw, its still 6 months behind the eight-ball so I'd call it a loss ... I was certainly hoping for somthing better then this anyway.

In fairness the AT test does make it look a bit better & maybe ATI does have a driver trick or two up their sleeve, I certainly hope so anyway.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Regs
Makes no sense to me either. I see less than steller performance and how great of value it is. I guess it's a pat on the back to AMD for not releasing it as a high end part (because they have none).

If I wanted value I'd get the 320MB GT for 1600x1200 res @ 300.00 . Why on earth would I consider a 400 dollar 2900XT?

you *wouldn't* and you *shouldn't*

at this point in time ... say my GPU *DIED* and i had to wait a month for a Sapphire RMA

TODAY ... i would buy a $320 GTS from NewEgg

no regrets

maybe some bitchin' like BFG10K does ... but maybe not

but right NOW ... i am REVIEWING *everything* i can get my eyes focused on ... and i AM looking to upgrading ... soon

i see a *raw* newborn product launched today ... in no worse state than the 8800 when it launched six months ago ... and i see very "near-term" *potential* that i would like to exploit in the next few weeks


perhaps

perhaps not

IF - by some 'VooDoo' - the HD2900XT - stays the same ... doesn't mature, the drivers don't improve, i read of high FAILURE rates ... the price remains high ...
i would be NUTS to EVER get one

but i am *predicting* that this will not be ... that the performance delta will continue to increase over the 640GTS .. especially at high detail ... that it will be a better architecture for DX10 ...

i am picking the *dark horse* candidate

are you guys OK with that

i *know* it is a "dark horse"

it's just that i am *fascinated* by it ... i have been following r600 since ... since ..
just after r300 ... this is "it" ... their "new stuff"

so ... WtF?


is that a Capital Crime ... now ... to root for the underdog ?
--or should i jump on the nvidia "bash AMD" bandwagon?

i have *no experience* with AMD .... and i feel ATi is SO gone

and i always much preferred "intel inside" ... so ...



it ain't a marriage ... it is a $350 G-D video card

sorry but your posts are impossible to read...anyone wanna translate? :disgust:

let me attempt it for you and i will try to even make it shorter

HD2900XT is brand new and i expect the drivers to further mature, the price to drop, the features to prove useful, with a nice game bundle and it to be a 'winner' in DX10 over the GTS 640 ...

that is my "bet" ... if i buy one then i am really betting on a "dark horse" ... i am saying the race has just begun and the HD2900XT will eventually emerge as the clear-cut winner over the GTS

i am also saying that the consequences of my purchase are not severe ... if the HD2900xt fails my expectations then it is only a $350 purchase - not a commitment

clear now?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Regs
Makes no sense to me either. I see less than steller performance and how great of value it is. I guess it's a pat on the back to AMD for not releasing it as a high end part (because they have none).

If I wanted value I'd get the 320MB GT for 1600x1200 res @ 300.00 . Why on earth would I consider a 400 dollar 2900XT?

you *wouldn't* and you *shouldn't*

at this point in time ... say my GPU *DIED* and i had to wait a month for a Sapphire RMA

TODAY ... i would buy a $320 GTS from NewEgg

no regrets

maybe some bitchin' like BFG10K does ... but maybe not

but right NOW ... i am REVIEWING *everything* i can get my eyes focused on ... and i AM looking to upgrading ... soon

i see a *raw* newborn product launched today ... in no worse state than the 8800 when it launched six months ago ... and i see very "near-term" *potential* that i would like to exploit in the next few weeks


perhaps

perhaps not

IF - by some 'VooDoo' - the HD2900XT - stays the same ... doesn't mature, the drivers don't improve, i read of high FAILURE rates ... the price remains high ...
i would be NUTS to EVER get one

but i am *predicting* that this will not be ... that the performance delta will continue to increase over the 640GTS .. especially at high detail ... that it will be a better architecture for DX10 ...

i am picking the *dark horse* candidate

are you guys OK with that

i *know* it is a "dark horse"

it's just that i am *fascinated* by it ... i have been following r600 since ... since ..
just after r300 ... this is "it" ... their "new stuff"

so ... WtF?


is that a Capital Crime ... now ... to root for the underdog ?
--or should i jump on the nvidia "bash AMD" bandwagon?

i have *no experience* with AMD .... and i feel ATi is SO gone

and i always much preferred "intel inside" ... so ...



it ain't a marriage ... it is a $350 G-D video card

sorry but your posts are impossible to read...anyone wanna translate? :disgust:

let me attempt it for you and i will try to even make it shorter

HD2900XT is brand new and i expect the drivers to further mature, the price to drop, the features to prove useful, with a nice game bundle and it to be a 'winner' in DX10 over the GTS 640 ...

that is my "bet" ... if i buy one then i am really betting on a "dark horse" ... i am saying the race has just begun and the HD2900XT will eventually emerge as the clear-cut winner over the GTS

i am also saying that the consequences of my purchase are not severe ... if the HD2900xt fails my expectations then it is only a $350 purchase - not a commitment

clear now?

Wow, you're actually buying a 2900XT? More power, slower, more expensive than GTS 640mb, etc?

Alllllll-righty then

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Regs
Makes no sense to me either. I see less than steller performance and how great of value it is. I guess it's a pat on the back to AMD for not releasing it as a high end part (because they have none).

If I wanted value I'd get the 320MB GT for 1600x1200 res @ 300.00 . Why on earth would I consider a 400 dollar 2900XT?

you *wouldn't* and you *shouldn't*

at this point in time ... say my GPU *DIED* and i had to wait a month for a Sapphire RMA

TODAY ... i would buy a $320 GTS from NewEgg

no regrets

maybe some bitchin' like BFG10K does ... but maybe not

but right NOW ... i am REVIEWING *everything* i can get my eyes focused on ... and i AM looking to upgrading ... soon

i see a *raw* newborn product launched today ... in no worse state than the 8800 when it launched six months ago ... and i see very "near-term" *potential* that i would like to exploit in the next few weeks


perhaps

perhaps not

IF - by some 'VooDoo' - the HD2900XT - stays the same ... doesn't mature, the drivers don't improve, i read of high FAILURE rates ... the price remains high ...
i would be NUTS to EVER get one

but i am *predicting* that this will not be ... that the performance delta will continue to increase over the 640GTS .. especially at high detail ... that it will be a better architecture for DX10 ...

i am picking the *dark horse* candidate

are you guys OK with that

i *know* it is a "dark horse"

it's just that i am *fascinated* by it ... i have been following r600 since ... since ..
just after r300 ... this is "it" ... their "new stuff"

so ... WtF?


is that a Capital Crime ... now ... to root for the underdog ?
--or should i jump on the nvidia "bash AMD" bandwagon?

i have *no experience* with AMD .... and i feel ATi is SO gone

and i always much preferred "intel inside" ... so ...



it ain't a marriage ... it is a $350 G-D video card

sorry but your posts are impossible to read...anyone wanna translate? :disgust:

let me attempt it for you and i will try to even make it shorter

HD2900XT is brand new and i expect the drivers to further mature, the price to drop, the features to prove useful, with a nice game bundle and it to be a 'winner' in DX10 over the GTS 640 ...

that is my "bet" ... if i buy one then i am really betting on a "dark horse" ... i am saying the race has just begun and the HD2900XT will eventually emerge as the clear-cut winner over the GTS

i am also saying that the consequences of my purchase are not severe ... if the HD2900xt fails my expectations then it is only a $350 purchase - not a commitment

clear now?

Wow, you're actually buying a 2900XT? More power, slower, more expensive than GTS 640mb, etc?

Alllllll-righty then

drivers *seem* to be making it better, but I know, deep down in my heart that R650 is just a couple months away and I'd be pissed if I bought a HD2900XT.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Regs
Makes no sense to me either. I see less than steller performance and how great of value it is. I guess it's a pat on the back to AMD for not releasing it as a high end part (because they have none).

If I wanted value I'd get the 320MB GT for 1600x1200 res @ 300.00 . Why on earth would I consider a 400 dollar 2900XT?

you *wouldn't* and you *shouldn't*

at this point in time ... say my GPU *DIED* and i had to wait a month for a Sapphire RMA

TODAY ... i would buy a $320 GTS from NewEgg

no regrets

maybe some bitchin' like BFG10K does ... but maybe not

but right NOW ... i am REVIEWING *everything* i can get my eyes focused on ... and i AM looking to upgrading ... soon

i see a *raw* newborn product launched today ... in no worse state than the 8800 when it launched six months ago ... and i see very "near-term" *potential* that i would like to exploit in the next few weeks


perhaps

perhaps not

IF - by some 'VooDoo' - the HD2900XT - stays the same ... doesn't mature, the drivers don't improve, i read of high FAILURE rates ... the price remains high ...
i would be NUTS to EVER get one

but i am *predicting* that this will not be ... that the performance delta will continue to increase over the 640GTS .. especially at high detail ... that it will be a better architecture for DX10 ...

i am picking the *dark horse* candidate

are you guys OK with that

i *know* it is a "dark horse"

it's just that i am *fascinated* by it ... i have been following r600 since ... since ..
just after r300 ... this is "it" ... their "new stuff"

so ... WtF?


is that a Capital Crime ... now ... to root for the underdog ?
--or should i jump on the nvidia "bash AMD" bandwagon?

i have *no experience* with AMD .... and i feel ATi is SO gone

and i always much preferred "intel inside" ... so ...



it ain't a marriage ... it is a $350 G-D video card

sorry but your posts are impossible to read...anyone wanna translate? :disgust:

let me attempt it for you and i will try to even make it shorter

HD2900XT is brand new and i expect the drivers to further mature, the price to drop, the features to prove useful, with a nice game bundle and it to be a 'winner' in DX10 over the GTS 640 ...

that is my "bet" ... if i buy one then i am really betting on a "dark horse" ... i am saying the race has just begun and the HD2900XT will eventually emerge as the clear-cut winner over the GTS

i am also saying that the consequences of my purchase are not severe ... if the HD2900xt fails my expectations then it is only a $350 purchase - not a commitment

clear now?

Wow, you're actually buying a 2900XT? More power, slower, more expensive than GTS 640mb, etc?

Alllllll-righty then

drivers *seem* to be making it better, but I know, deep down in my heart that R650 is just a couple months away and I'd be pissed if I bought a HD2900XT.

Aye, here's hoping that they get it right with that refresh! I want to see GTS 640-level cards sink under the $200-price point, which may be doable now that memory prices have cratered.

 

[tungtung]

I think almost everyone (except those who still deny it) can say that R600 is a flop no matter how you see it.
However on the other point, they are preparing to do die shrink and what have you, so who knows.
I mean FX5800 did flop really bad, but then FX5900 rebounded for nVidia.
So ATI should be able to do similar stuff.

Beside all in all noone want ATI/AMD to die out and leave the graphic market industry.
Cause if that ever happen, you'll be looking for close to $1k for top end graphic cards, and you'll probably be stuck with those 8800 (or it's successor) for ages.

On the other side of the coin, I'm now kinda worried what how the 2600 and 2400 will perform.
Those prices seem to be quite well priced, but I wonder how well they will perform.
About a month and a half wait I guess.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: apoppin

let me attempt it for you and i will try to even make it shorter

HD2900XT is brand new and i expect the drivers to further mature, the price to drop, the features to prove useful, with a nice game bundle and it to be a 'winner' in DX10 over the GTS 640 ...

that is my "bet" ... if i buy one then i am really betting on a "dark horse" ... i am saying the race has just begun and the HD2900XT will eventually emerge as the clear-cut winner over the GTS

i am also saying that the consequences of my purchase are not severe ... if the HD2900xt fails my expectations then it is only a $350 purchase - not a commitment

clear now?

Wow, you're actually buying a 2900XT? More power, slower, more expensive than GTS 640mb, etc?

Alllllll-righty then

i didn't say that i am buying one ... where?
--don't you understand *if*