Hard drive ATA 100 vs 133?

TygGer

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Im looking at two hard drives, a Maxtor ATA/133 vs WD ATA/100, both 8meg cache...

Would the Maxtor be the faster of the two?

Any recommendations? Thanks!
 

sak

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i dont think the maxtor will be any faster..then the WD.+

i dont know if u care about quitness of the drives..but the WD is way more quite than the Maxtor though..

the maxtor sounds like popcorn..but u'll here nothing form the WD.

 

BCYL

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ATA133 really offers minimal performance advantage over ATA100... the main reason for ATA133 was to support harddrives larger than 127GB...

So no, the Maxtor would not be faster than the WD...
 

yodayoda

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the Western Digital is faster than the Maxtor, go to StorageReview.com to see the benchmarks. i personally prefer Maxtor however because they have the best RMA policy in the business. if your drive starts to go bad, you can use their "advanced RMA" feature where they send you a replacement hard drive within 2 days and then you send in your bad drive after. western digital has one of the worst RMA procedures and i detest it. also, maxtors tend to be quieter than the WD--seagates are the quietest of all ATA drives and IBM/Hitachis the loudest, but that is besides the point.

so it is up to you what you decide to get =)
 

EeyoreX

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ATA133 really offers minimal performance advantage over ATA100... the main reason for ATA133 was to support harddrives larger than 127GB...

It is true that ATA133 offers little to no speed advantages over ATA100 (current hard drives rarely utilize the full speed of the ATA100 spec). However, ATA133's main reason was for Maxtor to claim faster sppeds and confuse consumers. "Hey, this has 133, that one has 100. The 133 one is better." ATA100 is fully capable of supporting drivers over 137GB. ATA133 is not required for anything. Many retail WD drives, incuding the 200GB SE model for example, ship with the Promise TX2 Ultra 100 card, which is only ATA100.

And I seriously doubt that real world usage would reveal any speed differences. Benchmarks will of course, but I don't notice a significant difference here, and I use both brands.

\Dan
 

TygGer

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I was looking at a deal that Dell has on their WD 180gig drive right now for $118 AR.

Does this seem like a good buy? Some people are telling me that WD's break more often than Maxtors.
 

thorin

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Originally posted by: BCYL
ATA133 really offers minimal performance advantage over ATA100... the main reason for ATA133 was to support harddrives larger than 127GB...

So no, the Maxtor would not be faster than the WD...
Actually considering that the best performing drive on the market only pushes ~59MB/Sec MAX ATA100/133 is completely irrelevant (we're not even maxing ATA66 yet). As has already been pointed out your can see over @ StorageReview the WD is definately a better performer.

Thorin
 

TygGer

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As I am new to most of this, it's difficult for me to fully understand those charts. Can you please help me interpret the reliability of WD drives vs Maxtor? I'm about the order a WD drive if all the provided info goes well...

Thanks
 

Sid59

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Originally posted by: TygGer
As I am new to most of this, it's difficult for me to fully understand those charts. Can you please help me interpret the reliability of WD drives vs Maxtor? I'm about the order a WD drive if all the provided info goes well...

Thanks

the WD v. Maxtor reliability varies alot. In my experiences, I've had a couple of WD drives DOA out the box. I have two 120 drives, Maxtor and WD and the WD is much louder.

Also, i'd jump on that WD180 for 118AR,, good deal.
 

Whitedog

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ATA133 can be beneficial in a RAID0 environment. Though I don't know of any ATA133 raid devices, you could stripe a few disks and exceed 100MBs easily.
 

dexvx

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Originally posted by: Whitedog
ATA133 can be beneficial in a RAID0 environment. Though I don't know of any ATA133 raid devices, you could stripe a few disks and exceed 100MBs easily.

Thats a good one...

I highly doubt you can choke your PCI bus by filling it to the brink.

 

trak0rr0kart

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well.. go to tomshardware.com and look at there benches. If you look at the 3 or 4 ide drive raid 0's you'll notice that you are approaching the theoritical limit of the bus.. which is at like around 150 MB /sec or something....

Take a gander

http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/20010906/raid-07.html

Where is the room for everything else??? That is what choking means... you crowd the pci bus.. which is very possible with 3 drives.. and definately 4.

When you have ata 100.. it dosen't mean that the pci bus is limited to 100 MB /sec. Your drive interface doesn't determine your pci bus's bandwidth.
 

Brian48

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I've both the 8mb cache Maxtor and 8mb cache WD (both 80g). The Maxtor I have is markedly faster than the WD in all my benchmarks, but I doubt that has anything to do with one being ATA133 compliant and the other being not. I think it's more attributed to the fact that the Maxtor was so late in coming out that it's got the benefit of more up-to-date technology and design improvements.
 

Whitedog

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Originally posted by: dexvx
Originally posted by: Whitedog
ATA133 can be beneficial in a RAID0 environment. Though I don't know of any ATA133 raid devices, you could stripe a few disks and exceed 100MBs easily.

Thats a good one...

I highly doubt you can choke your PCI bus by filling it to the brink.
I guess you've never heard of 64bit PCI b4? 266MB/s...



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TygGer

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Could you guys explain why the benchmarks done by storagereview.com favor the WD as being faster, yet you guys are experiencing otherwise?
 

EeyoreX

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I think for the most part, people are saying the WD would be faster, thus agreeing with the benchmarks. However, I still contend that the user will not really notice that much difference in speed in real-world use. Maybe that's just me, because both my computers are fast enough to do what I need. One PC has Maxtor drives, the other WD, and I don't notice a difference. Of course, I also don't copy identical files on each machine and time them with a stop watch...

As for reliability you will hear of problems with any manufacturer. Personally, I have had both Maxtor and WD driver and have had no problems with either. In fact, I bought a Maxtor drive that was damaged from a guy who just got a new one, and Maxtor replaced it for me. I do tend to notice I hear my Maxtor more than the WD when I copy files from this PC to the server (Maxtor in the everyday use PC, WD in the server)

\Dan
 

Erasmus-X

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The ATA/100 and ATA/133 spec war is all marketing.

Current drives can barely harness the capabilities of the ATA/100 spec, much less ATA/133.

After much debating with myself when I was in the market for one of the new 8 MB cache drives, I ended up picking the 80 GB Western Digital (despite my past back luck with their drives in general). It was $100 after the mail-in rebate, so I figured I couldn't lose. I even picked up the $20 2-year replacement warranty that store I bought it from offered. I figured that it was a good investment for me because I don't like waiting for RMAs.

As far as the performance goes, I couldn't ask for much more. It's fast, super-quiet, and it's whole hell of a lot bigger than my other hard drive (13.6 GB).

Good luck!