Happy (Observed) MLK Day!

WooDaddy

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Happy MLK Jr day!

This goes out to all my Chinese-American, Japanese-American, Women, African-American, Latinos and Latinas and... yeah.. the Canadian-Americans. Also to my interracial couples and children, same and different sex partners, handicapped and non, immigrant and native Americans.

And yes.. most of all, this goes out to all people who changed their views and openned their eyes to realize that we are indeed similar and bring different and wonderful things to the table!

Sticky (for today at least?)
 

WooDaddy

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I'm celebrating by working today. If it weren't for him and the movement, I wouldn't have the job I have today (engineer), live in the community I'm in, drive the car I have, go wherever I want or have the wide variety of friends I have.
 

bamacre

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I'm working.

But I recommend to all of you that are off to take maybe 10 minutes and listen/read MLK's "I have a Dream" speech. I read through it last year again and it's just unreal how brilliant this man was. We don't appreciate what he did for this country, for all of us.
 
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Yea.. I had a Hispanic girlfriend?

Thanks a lot MLK.
-LMK
Delivered on the steps at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. on August 28, 1963. Source: Martin Luther King, Jr: The Peaceful Warrior, Pocket Books, NY 1968

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of captivity. But one hundred years later, we must face the tragic fact that the Negro is still not free.

One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land.

So we have come here today to dramatize an appalling condition. In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir.

This note was a promise that all men would be guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation.

So we have come to cash this check -- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to open the doors of opportunity to all of God's children. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment and to underestimate the determination of the Negro. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights.

The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. we must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.

We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" we can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.

Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair. I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the South. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring." And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania! Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado! Let freedom ring from the curvaceous peaks of California! But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia! Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee! Let freedom ring from every hill and every molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"
 

bamacre

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Sweet, thanks for posting the entire thing...

My fav part...

The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. we must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.

We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" we can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.


It's too bad the Islamic world doesn't have a voice this brave, this logical, and this loud.
 

Train

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Originally posted by: bamacre
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It's too bad the Islamic world doesn't have a voice this brave, this logical, and this loud.
MLK was smarter than any terrorist, he knew a terrorist would never be negotiated with. He preached peaceful protest.

Can you imagine if he had went the route of OBL? Recruiting militants and violently attacking the govt and the general population?
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: bamacre
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It's too bad the Islamic world doesn't have a voice this brave, this logical, and this loud.
MLK was smarter than any terrorist, he knew a terrorist would never be negotiated with. He preached peaceful protest.

Can you imagine if he had went the route of OBL? Recruiting militants and violently attacking the govt and the general population?

MLK was a great man and without him I believe the US wouldn't be where it is at today. He followed the non violent method of Ghandi, that was also successful.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: bamacre
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It's too bad the Islamic world doesn't have a voice this brave, this logical, and this loud.
MLK was smarter than any terrorist, he knew a terrorist would never be negotiated with. He preached peaceful protest.

Can you imagine if he had went the route of OBL? Recruiting militants and violently attacking the govt and the general population?

Yeah, I can imagine that, and this country would be fvcked up (even more so) today if he had. Although MLK was a student of Ghandi's teachings, as well as Jesus.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: bamacre
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It's too bad the Islamic world doesn't have a voice this brave, this logical, and this loud.
MLK was smarter than any terrorist, he knew a terrorist would never be negotiated with. He preached peaceful protest.

Can you imagine if he had went the route of OBL? Recruiting militants and violently attacking the govt and the general population?

MLK was a great man and without him I believe the US wouldn't be where it is at today. He followed the non violent method of Ghandi, that was also successful.

I agree, I wish more people saw the success of Ghandi and MLK and followed their example.
 

HalosPuma

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Originally posted by: WooDaddy
This goes out to all my Chinese-American, Japanese-American, Women, African-American, Latinos and Latinas and... yeah.. the Canadian-Americans. Also to my interracial couples and children, same and different sex partners, handicapped and non, immigrant and native Americans.

:thumbsdown:

I don't celebrate MLK. We are not hypenated-Americans. It is absoutely terrible that people have to insert their country-of-origin before "American." How can you expect us to be united when the very words used to describe us invokes segregation?

The so-called "civil rights" movement is nothing more than an infringement on our freedoms. We have the freedom to discriminate, and do it every single day in our lives. We discriminate against who we want to be friends with, who we want to date, which groups we want to belong to, etc. Yet if a business tries to do the same, it is slapped with federal regulations and fines.

No, the so-called "civil rights" movement has actually done more harm than good. Just look at how much better off our nation was pre 1960's to now.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: WooDaddy
This goes out to all my Chinese-American, Japanese-American, Women, African-American, Latinos and Latinas and... yeah.. the Canadian-Americans. Also to my interracial couples and children, same and different sex partners, handicapped and non, immigrant and native Americans.

:thumbsdown:

I don't celebrate MLK. We are not hypenated-Americans. It is absoutely terrible that people have to insert their country-of-origin before "American." How can you expect us to be united when the very words used to describe us invokes segregation?

The so-called "civil rights" movement is nothing more than an infringement on our freedoms. We have the freedom to discriminate, and do it every single day in our lives. We discriminate against who we want to be friends with, who we want to date, which groups we want to belong to, etc. Yet if a business tries to do the same, it is slapped with federal regulations and fines.

No, the so-called "civil rights" movement has actually done more harm than good. Just look at how much better off our nation was pre 1960's to now.

Why don't you just spend the day burning down black churches, Adolf?

"Just look at how much better off our nation was pre 1960's to now"? Yeah, maybe, unless you weren't a white male. Ah, except you ARE a white male. I forgot what kind of "conservative" you are.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: HalosPuma
No, the so-called "civil rights" movement has actually done more harm than good. Just look at how much better off our nation was pre 1960's to now.
It wasn't better just different and I don't think the Civil Rights movement had anything to do with the troubles our country is facing today.
 

ciba

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
"Just look at how much better off our nation was pre 1960's to now"? Yeah, maybe, unless you weren't a white male. Ah, except you ARE a white male. I forgot what kind of "conservative" you are.

So you think the level of crime, poverty and single moms in the black community makes you better off now than before MLK? Do you think the level of high school dropouts have improved the community much? At least MLK supported family values, unlike the victims of today.

I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

I think you can support MLK's teachings without the need to celebrate the divisive labels we have in america today. In fact, I think labels are damaging to our society.

I try to judge people by the content of their character. The civil rights movement has certainly allowed upward mobility for the portion of the black community willing to go after it.. As one example of thousands, Benjamin Carson wouldn't be doing the great work he does today without MLK.

I think in MLK's generation, people had the desire to succeed, but not the opportunity. Now, they have the opportunity but not the desire. When will we see a generation with both?

If you respond to me, I of course ask that you to refer to me as norwegian-american.
 

CADsortaGUY

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I take time every year to go back and read about what Micheal King(disputing accounts of if or when he ever did legally change his name to Martin) was before(and some during) his "movement" days. I think some of the goals achieved are admirable and needed, however there are certain things that I for one don't celebrate - particularly his Marxist ties. Yes, that's right - he was a self-described Marxist. They don't teach you that in schools do they...;) Nor do they inform you about "Negroes With Guns" and the whole FPFC(there is an Oswald connection for you conspiracy types;) ) There is much more but this is a celebration thread - not a debate thread.:)

I don't mean to rain on everyone's parade because I feel the "movement" helped end the legal discrimination and separation of Minorities in America, but I also feel that people should be a bit more informed about this issue than just the sound bites you hear in school or on the news.

:beer: for MLK helping bring an end to legal discrimination based on color.

CsG

PS - if you want to flame me for putting information out there and qualifying my celebration - fine. Be aware however that I won't participate in you attempt to destroy this thread with flaming. This thread needs to be here, but there also needs to be more information involved.
 

Train

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Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: WooDaddy
This goes out to all my Chinese-American, Japanese-American, Women, African-American, Latinos and Latinas and... yeah.. the Canadian-Americans. Also to my interracial couples and children, same and different sex partners, handicapped and non, immigrant and native Americans.

:thumbsdown:

I don't celebrate MLK. We are not hypenated-Americans. It is absoutely terrible that people have to insert their country-of-origin before "American." How can you expect us to be united when the very words used to describe us invokes segregation?

The so-called "civil rights" movement is nothing more than an infringement on our freedoms. We have the freedom to discriminate, and do it every single day in our lives. We discriminate against who we want to be friends with, who we want to date, which groups we want to belong to, etc. Yet if a business tries to do the same, it is slapped with federal regulations and fines.

No, the so-called "civil rights" movement has actually done more harm than good. Just look at how much better off our nation was pre 1960's to now.
Well I agree with you about the hyphenated-americans remark, but I dont think MLK was for that, the hyphenated-american divides us, his vision was a unified America.

I dont know about better before 1960, segragation was a huge blunder, and I'm glad we did away with it. Freedom to discriminate (as an indivisual) is protected (though most people dont know this) But when an instition discrimates on race or religion, thats impeding civil liberties. Regulating it is not perfect, and it probably never will be, and the regulations themselves may go too far in some cases, and even cause more divide than they were meant to heal. There just isnt a 100% solution.

Though I dont think MLK would agree with Affirmative Action, that is one case in which his ideas of lifting the black community was taken too far.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: WooDaddy
This goes out to all my Chinese-American, Japanese-American, Women, African-American, Latinos and Latinas and... yeah.. the Canadian-Americans. Also to my interracial couples and children, same and different sex partners, handicapped and non, immigrant and native Americans.

:thumbsdown:

I don't celebrate MLK. We are not hypenated-Americans. It is absoutely terrible that people have to insert their country-of-origin before "American." How can you expect us to be united when the very words used to describe us invokes segregation?

The so-called "civil rights" movement is nothing more than an infringement on our freedoms. We have the freedom to discriminate, and do it every single day in our lives. We discriminate against who we want to be friends with, who we want to date, which groups we want to belong to, etc. Yet if a business tries to do the same, it is slapped with federal regulations and fines.

No, the so-called "civil rights" movement has actually done more harm than good. Just look at how much better off our nation was pre 1960's to now.


You are a fvcking asshat, and one ignorant son of a bitch.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: WooDaddy
This goes out to all my Chinese-American, Japanese-American, Women, African-American, Latinos and Latinas and... yeah.. the Canadian-Americans. Also to my interracial couples and children, same and different sex partners, handicapped and non, immigrant and native Americans.

:thumbsdown:

I don't celebrate MLK. We are not hypenated-Americans. It is absoutely terrible that people have to insert their country-of-origin before "American." How can you expect us to be united when the very words used to describe us invokes segregation?

The so-called "civil rights" movement is nothing more than an infringement on our freedoms. We have the freedom to discriminate, and do it every single day in our lives. We discriminate against who we want to be friends with, who we want to date, which groups we want to belong to, etc. Yet if a business tries to do the same, it is slapped with federal regulations and fines.

No, the so-called "civil rights" movement has actually done more harm than good. Just look at how much better off our nation was pre 1960's to now.


You are a fvcking asshat, and one ignorant son of a bitch.
Come on now, there's no need to use that kind of language even though it is accurate. Maybe you should work on your vocabulary;)

 

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good man, good ideals, but unfortunately this country has diminished the ideals and sweetened the poison by giving us a day off! nothing against MLK, but civil rights is still an issue. a black man still has a tougher time than a white man getting a job. and i don't mean a sh!t job where affirmative action is most notably argued, but a stable, well paying job. WMA all the way. what a disgrace. "oh, but here.... here's a day off for your trouble, negroes."
 
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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: WooDaddy
This goes out to all my Chinese-American, Japanese-American, Women, African-American, Latinos and Latinas and... yeah.. the Canadian-Americans. Also to my interracial couples and children, same and different sex partners, handicapped and non, immigrant and native Americans.

:thumbsdown:

I don't celebrate MLK. We are not hypenated-Americans. It is absoutely terrible that people have to insert their country-of-origin before "American." How can you expect us to be united when the very words used to describe us invokes segregation?

The so-called "civil rights" movement is nothing more than an infringement on our freedoms. We have the freedom to discriminate, and do it every single day in our lives. We discriminate against who we want to be friends with, who we want to date, which groups we want to belong to, etc. Yet if a business tries to do the same, it is slapped with federal regulations and fines.

No, the so-called "civil rights" movement has actually done more harm than good. Just look at how much better off our nation was pre 1960's to now.
Well I agree with you about the hyphenated-americans remark, but I dont think MLK was for that, the hyphenated-american divides us, his vision was a unified America.

I dont know about better before 1960, segragation was a huge blunder, and I'm glad we did away with it. Freedom to discriminate (as an indivisual) is protected (though most people dont know this) But when an instition discrimates on race or religion, thats impeding civil liberties. Regulating it is not perfect, and it probably never will be, and the regulations themselves may go too far in some cases, and even cause more divide than they were meant to heal. There just isnt a 100% solution.

Though I dont think MLK would agree with Affirmative Action, that is one case in which his ideas of lifting the black community was taken too far.

i agree with you, except for the bit about civil-rights being a bad thing.. i think you're just a bit ignorant of the reality of the situation, therefore i think that celebrating MLK is both a worthy and noble thing, well deserving of a holiday and some time of reflection.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: WooDaddy
This goes out to all my Chinese-American, Japanese-American, Women, African-American, Latinos and Latinas and... yeah.. the Canadian-Americans. Also to my interracial couples and children, same and different sex partners, handicapped and non, immigrant and native Americans.

:thumbsdown:

I don't celebrate MLK. We are not hypenated-Americans. It is absoutely terrible that people have to insert their country-of-origin before "American." How can you expect us to be united when the very words used to describe us invokes segregation?

The so-called "civil rights" movement is nothing more than an infringement on our freedoms. We have the freedom to discriminate, and do it every single day in our lives. We discriminate against who we want to be friends with, who we want to date, which groups we want to belong to, etc. Yet if a business tries to do the same, it is slapped with federal regulations and fines.

No, the so-called "civil rights" movement has actually done more harm than good. Just look at how much better off our nation was pre 1960's to now.


You are a fvcking asshat, and one ignorant son of a bitch.
Come on now, there's no need to use that kind of language even though it is accurate. Maybe you should work on your vocabulary;)

You're right, had I bothered to think more about it, I could have thought of a lot of other words to use. "Asshat" doesn't do him justice. "Son of a bitch" implies only that his mom screwed up his little head, without any regard to his dad helping out here as well. "Ignorant" implies "being uneducated," and after further review, "dumb" may have been a better word to use.
 

Train

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: WooDaddy
This goes out to all my Chinese-American, Japanese-American, Women, African-American, Latinos and Latinas and... yeah.. the Canadian-Americans. Also to my interracial couples and children, same and different sex partners, handicapped and non, immigrant and native Americans.

:thumbsdown:

I don't celebrate MLK. We are not hypenated-Americans. It is absoutely terrible that people have to insert their country-of-origin before "American." How can you expect us to be united when the very words used to describe us invokes segregation?

The so-called "civil rights" movement is nothing more than an infringement on our freedoms. We have the freedom to discriminate, and do it every single day in our lives. We discriminate against who we want to be friends with, who we want to date, which groups we want to belong to, etc. Yet if a business tries to do the same, it is slapped with federal regulations and fines.

No, the so-called "civil rights" movement has actually done more harm than good. Just look at how much better off our nation was pre 1960's to now.
Well I agree with you about the hyphenated-americans remark, but I dont think MLK was for that, the hyphenated-american divides us, his vision was a unified America.

I dont know about better before 1960, segragation was a huge blunder, and I'm glad we did away with it. Freedom to discriminate (as an indivisual) is protected (though most people dont know this) But when an instition discrimates on race or religion, thats impeding civil liberties. Regulating it is not perfect, and it probably never will be, and the regulations themselves may go too far in some cases, and even cause more divide than they were meant to heal. There just isnt a 100% solution.

Though I dont think MLK would agree with Affirmative Action, that is one case in which his ideas of lifting the black community was taken too far.

i agree with you, except for the bit about civil-rights being a bad thing.. i think you're just a bit ignorant of the reality of the situation, therefore i think that celebrating MLK is both a worthy and noble thing, well deserving of a holiday and some time of reflection.
you disagree with me? or ther person I quoted? or the person he quoted? :confused: