Happy Hour and guns just don't mix.

[DucatiMonster696]

Comparing countries of similar wealth, weak handgun laws lead to more deaths.

Q.E.D.

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This doesnt even need to be argued. Its an axiom. Only dumbass gun nuts are the ones trying to argue.

This isn't a axiom its just your emotional investment in the debate being brought to the surface.

For it to be an axiom you'd have to not only compare countries of similar wealth but also countries with similar populations sizes, racial demographics, culture, religious histories and traditions, etc and have them be on par with each other. In addition to also comparing similar sets of laws, government functions and systems, economic polices and everything else that effects crime rates with the only difference being their stance on gun laws in order to truly gain a valid and factual view and insight into the matter by using mirror images of nations with only one difference, i.e. their views on gun ownership and control policies.

Furthermore his point still stands because a comparison between US cities and the states they reside in is far more accurate then comparing these cities/states vs nations and their cities/states which are completely foreign to US citizens on all the above aforementioned categories of comparisons mentioned above.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Comparing countries of similar wealth, weak handgun laws lead to more deaths.

Q.E.D.

/Thread.

This doesnt even need to be argued. Its an axiom. Only dumbass gun nuts are the ones trying to argue.

Actually, no, for a few reasons.

1) There's more to a nation's makeup than their wealth. Culture, history, laws, social programs, homogeneity, population density, unemployment, diet and health, etc. To be an apples to apples comparison ALL of those things must match, and that's never going to be true in any comparison you make.

2) Weak is relative, and therefore useless as a threshold. Similarly specifying handguns may or may not be a valid limit on the issue. To know for sure we'd need to explore your rational, and the definitions used to make sure that what one country calls a handgun is the same in another country. That sounds silly, but you'd be surprised how many differences there are.

3) I can name MANY nations that allow handguns, allow concealed carry, etc and have FAR fewer issues than we have (Israel, Italy, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Czech Republic, etc). Similarly, we can point to nations that have STRICT gun laws/prohibitions, but have rampant crime, violence, etc...sometimes even from guns (South Africa is 50th in the world for gun saturation, but first in firearm related crimes).

This trend is addressed by the National Academy of Sciences review of gun control effectiveness, and they could not find a single significant impact or definite correlation between such numbers. This was an almost fully anti-gun panel of the brightest minds in the world paid for by a staunch anti-gun administration with the express purpose of showing any effectiveness of gun control. They couldn't, because THERE IS NONE.

 

[irishScott]

Hmm. You seem to misunderstand the difference between a country and a state.

They are not the same thing.

You seem to misunderstand basic logic, that hasn't stopped you from posting. Think I'm starting to realize why Britain had a 2nd-class citizen view of Australia for the longest time, were your ancestors anything like you?