ok, i know some of them are for servers and some are not. what is it? i am confused. should i build now or wait for one of these hammers?
hammer this and hammer that...someone clear it up please!!
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its just that everyone is talkin abou the hammer and i want to get things straight in my head.
i read anands article on teh hammer and such. so for home users, it is going to be the barton (.13) and then the athlon clawhammer (.09).....
so are we currently at the xp thoroughbred right now??
i read anands article on teh hammer and such. so for home users, it is going to be the barton (.13) and then the athlon clawhammer (.09).....
so are we currently at the xp thoroughbred right now??
clawhammer for small servers and workstations
sledgehammer for midrange to large servers
Thoroughbred is Athlon at .13. Barton is the next core for the Athlon or something like that.
Or atleast thats how I understand it.
sledgehammer for midrange to large servers
Thoroughbred is Athlon at .13. Barton is the next core for the Athlon or something like that.
Or atleast thats how I understand it.
so we are currently not at the .13 athlon now?? or are we? where does the xp fall into this?
sorry for the lame ass questions.
sorry for the lame ass questions.
<< so we are currently not at the .13 athlon now?? or are we? where does the xp fall into this?
sorry for the lame ass questions. >>
not stupid questions, i dont really understand it all either. well, not that i dont understand it, i just cant remember all of it! not a big issue for me though. as time passes i will have it down just from reading this stuff so frequently.
Hmmm.....an "upgrade" from a 1ghz Pentium 3 to a 1ghz Duron......excellent
Get a real hanmmer.......25oz one.....that will be lots of fun
Get a real hanmmer.......25oz one.....that will be lots of fun
"ok, i know some of them are for servers and some are not. what is it? i am confused. should i build now or wait for one of these hammers?
"
I would not wait, hammer is coming soon, but not that soon. Sure it will be available in a few months, but I imagine there will be some form of availablilty problems with either CPUs or MOBO's for the first little bit
Just trying to be realisitc here now
"
I would not wait, hammer is coming soon, but not that soon. Sure it will be available in a few months, but I imagine there will be some form of availablilty problems with either CPUs or MOBO's for the first little bit
Just trying to be realisitc here now
Ok, here it goes...
Opteron (Sledgehammer):This is any multi-processor "Hammer" CPU and will be used from 2-8 way servers as well as 2 way workstations
Clawhammer: 1 way version of "Hammer" which will keep the Athlon nomenclature.
T-Bred: .13um version of the current Athlon core...
Barton: .13um version of current Athlon core w/ 512K of L2 cache and maybe a hint of other performance boosting... dont know though.
currently we, at the desktop level, are not @ .13 w/ the Athlon's... although they are expected to be announced very soon. Seeing as how Clawhammer is due out @ end of this year you have to ask yourself if, first you can wait, and second if you'll be doing anything that needs Clawhammer type power right away. Based on those answers you can decide... I personally will wait, my 1.4 tbird can handle it...
Anyway, hope it helps.
Opteron (Sledgehammer):This is any multi-processor "Hammer" CPU and will be used from 2-8 way servers as well as 2 way workstations
Clawhammer: 1 way version of "Hammer" which will keep the Athlon nomenclature.
T-Bred: .13um version of the current Athlon core...
Barton: .13um version of current Athlon core w/ 512K of L2 cache and maybe a hint of other performance boosting... dont know though.
currently we, at the desktop level, are not @ .13 w/ the Athlon's... although they are expected to be announced very soon. Seeing as how Clawhammer is due out @ end of this year you have to ask yourself if, first you can wait, and second if you'll be doing anything that needs Clawhammer type power right away. Based on those answers you can decide... I personally will wait, my 1.4 tbird can handle it...
Anyway, hope it helps.
i don't quite understand either...
so is the current slower T-bird at .13 micron? and the xp is not?
so from what i understand is that the XP will be released in a version that will run cooler... like the pent4/northwood thing...
the 512kb cache sounds nice but that is due like the end of the year...
if you're building a system like me in the summer i think i'll wait around for the .13 version that would require less maintaince... or just watch those current Xp prices drop like a dead monkey...
so is the current slower T-bird at .13 micron? and the xp is not?
so from what i understand is that the XP will be released in a version that will run cooler... like the pent4/northwood thing...
the 512kb cache sounds nice but that is due like the end of the year...
if you're building a system like me in the summer i think i'll wait around for the .13 version that would require less maintaince... or just watch those current Xp prices drop like a dead monkey...
Ok, hopefully this will make sense.
The current AthlonXP chips are based on the Palomino core, and are on a .18um process. These are all the chips from 1500+ to 2100+.
The Thoroughbred core is the exact same core as the Palomino, but is made on a .13um process. These should be coming very soon, and will still be AthlonXP chips.
The Barton Core is a Thoroughbred with more L2 cache. That's it. Coming in a few months.
The Clawhammer is the consumer version of the AMD x86-64 architecture chip, and will be some sort of Athlon moniker, but won't be an AthlonXP. It will be for single processor only.
The Sledgehammer core will be called Opteron, and is the server chip for x86-64. It will have tons of L2 cache, and will be only for high end workstation and server applications.
Hope this helps.
The current AthlonXP chips are based on the Palomino core, and are on a .18um process. These are all the chips from 1500+ to 2100+.
The Thoroughbred core is the exact same core as the Palomino, but is made on a .13um process. These should be coming very soon, and will still be AthlonXP chips.
The Barton Core is a Thoroughbred with more L2 cache. That's it. Coming in a few months.
The Clawhammer is the consumer version of the AMD x86-64 architecture chip, and will be some sort of Athlon moniker, but won't be an AthlonXP. It will be for single processor only.
The Sledgehammer core will be called Opteron, and is the server chip for x86-64. It will have tons of L2 cache, and will be only for high end workstation and server applications.
Hope this helps.
The TBird (Athlon) is at .18 micron as well as the Athlon XP. The Athlon XP runs cooler because of its optimized layout. We *should* see Barton a bit before the time Clawhammer comes out, which is stated as October 2002. Barton in a .13 micron Athlon XP with 512k cache, while TBred is just an Athlon XP at .13 micron (256k L2 cache).
Ok since tkim's not the only one who's confused, heres the PM I sent tkim:
<< Hi. I just thought I'd clear up what the status is of AMD right now and what is to come. Right now AMD has the following CPU's:
Athlon XP's up to 2100+ (1.73GHz) running on the Palomino .18 core
Duron's up to 1.3GHz running on the Morgan .18 core
Now very soon, in the coming weeks, Thurorghbred's (.13 micron Palomino's) will be comign out, and from what I understand, there will be T-Bred's starting at 2200+ but they will be released at lower clock speeds (I'm thinking 1900+ or 1800+). That's whats in the immediate future, we will also see the slow phasing out of the Duron. It just hasn't been a successful processor. That's whats in the immediate future. T-bred will over time increase in clock speed as can be expected. Now in 2H 2002, there are 2 main products being released by AMD:
Barton (.13 micron SOI??? with 512k L2 Cache)
ClawHammer (.13 micron SOI, most likely 512k L2 Cache, K8 Architechure)
Both of these products will bear the Athlon name of some sort, but realize, ClawHammer is signficiantly different than Barton, T-Bred, and Palomino. Barton will be fully compatible with Socket A mobo's, while ClawHammer will use a new socket. There are dates being quoted that ClawHammer will be released on Oct. 28, and while that is very early, it seems very certain that ClawHammer will be launched by the end of 2002. Barton it seems will be released a few months before Hammer, and will be a decent upgrade for Socket A mobo users because, to be honest, it seems like that Barton will likely become AMD's new "Duron" or Budget CPU, and it ought to perform well, faster than T-Bred and Palomino at the same clock, but not as fast as ClawHammer. I hope this clears up the picture for AMD. I would not wait for anything, if you keep on waiting, that's all you'll be doing, waiting, but I will admit that while there are very nice products right now (Intel's Northwood, GeForce4, Athlon XP), in 2H of 2002, there will be 3 new generations of prodcuts (ClawHammer, nVidia's NV30, and ATi's R300) and you might keep that in mind if you intend on getting the best that's avialable.
Oh and I thought I'd add, the new AMD Opteron is not a desktop chip, but a SledgeHammer CPU for 2-way, 4-way and 8-way DP servers and workstations. It will be very expensive, and you don't need to consider it. If you have any questions, just ask and I'll do my best to answer them, see ya later. >>
<< Hi. I just thought I'd clear up what the status is of AMD right now and what is to come. Right now AMD has the following CPU's:
Athlon XP's up to 2100+ (1.73GHz) running on the Palomino .18 core
Duron's up to 1.3GHz running on the Morgan .18 core
Now very soon, in the coming weeks, Thurorghbred's (.13 micron Palomino's) will be comign out, and from what I understand, there will be T-Bred's starting at 2200+ but they will be released at lower clock speeds (I'm thinking 1900+ or 1800+). That's whats in the immediate future, we will also see the slow phasing out of the Duron. It just hasn't been a successful processor. That's whats in the immediate future. T-bred will over time increase in clock speed as can be expected. Now in 2H 2002, there are 2 main products being released by AMD:
Barton (.13 micron SOI??? with 512k L2 Cache)
ClawHammer (.13 micron SOI, most likely 512k L2 Cache, K8 Architechure)
Both of these products will bear the Athlon name of some sort, but realize, ClawHammer is signficiantly different than Barton, T-Bred, and Palomino. Barton will be fully compatible with Socket A mobo's, while ClawHammer will use a new socket. There are dates being quoted that ClawHammer will be released on Oct. 28, and while that is very early, it seems very certain that ClawHammer will be launched by the end of 2002. Barton it seems will be released a few months before Hammer, and will be a decent upgrade for Socket A mobo users because, to be honest, it seems like that Barton will likely become AMD's new "Duron" or Budget CPU, and it ought to perform well, faster than T-Bred and Palomino at the same clock, but not as fast as ClawHammer. I hope this clears up the picture for AMD. I would not wait for anything, if you keep on waiting, that's all you'll be doing, waiting, but I will admit that while there are very nice products right now (Intel's Northwood, GeForce4, Athlon XP), in 2H of 2002, there will be 3 new generations of prodcuts (ClawHammer, nVidia's NV30, and ATi's R300) and you might keep that in mind if you intend on getting the best that's avialable.
Oh and I thought I'd add, the new AMD Opteron is not a desktop chip, but a SledgeHammer CPU for 2-way, 4-way and 8-way DP servers and workstations. It will be very expensive, and you don't need to consider it. If you have any questions, just ask and I'll do my best to answer them, see ya later. >>
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