Hammer, The Chip To Break or Make AMD?

[Degenerate]

seriously, dont you people think that we have made up too much about all this?

 

[Texmaster]

<< You post it and show me where it says released. I think you are allowing your enthusiasm for AMD to cloud your judgement.

I suggest you go back and listen to the 4Q report and Banc of America presentation. In one or both, they clearly state that they hope and expect to ship the first Clawhammers by the end of the year. In the latter presentation, they say they are on schedule to ship by the end of the year. IIRC, in these presentations, they actually say "end of the year" several times. I don't recall them ever saying "4th quarter," although that is certainly what is shown on their shipment roadmap. I don't recall them saying "release" a single time during either of those presentations. If you look back to the past roadmaps, AMD has the 2000+ listed for 4Q 2001, the 1800+ for 2Q 2000...and when did we see those processors?

Intel's process roadmap shows the conversion to .11 in the first half of 2003, AMD's roadmap shows conversion to .11 in the second half (around mid-year) of 2003. Of course, arguing about something 18 months into the future...would seem rather pointless.


Ken
KT7A w/ Thunderbird 1.4 @ ~1540MHz; A7M266-D w/ dual 1900+ @ 1.70GHz; KR7A w/ 1900+ @ ~1840MHz >>




I think Ken is right here AGodspeed. "Released" is a key word in any business putting a product to market and until they use that word, their forecast is what they hope, not evidence of finality.

 

[AGodspeed]

<<

<< You post it and show me where it says released. I think you are allowing your enthusiasm for AMD to cloud your judgement.

I suggest you go back and listen to the 4Q report and Banc of America presentation. In one or both, they clearly state that they hope and expect to ship the first Clawhammers by the end of the year. In the latter presentation, they say they are on schedule to ship by the end of the year. IIRC, in these presentations, they actually say "end of the year" several times. I don't recall them ever saying "4th quarter," although that is certainly what is shown on their shipment roadmap. I don't recall them saying "release" a single time during either of those presentations. If you look back to the past roadmaps, AMD has the 2000+ listed for 4Q 2001, the 1800+ for 2Q 2000...and when did we see those processors?

Intel's process roadmap shows the conversion to .11 in the first half of 2003, AMD's roadmap shows conversion to .11 in the second half (around mid-year) of 2003. Of course, arguing about something 18 months into the future...would seem rather pointless.


Ken
KT7A w/ Thunderbird 1.4 @ ~1540MHz; A7M266-D w/ dual 1900+ @ 1.70GHz; KR7A w/ 1900+ @ ~1840MHz >>




I think Ken is right here AGodspeed. "Released" is a key word in any business putting a product to market and until they use that word, their forecast is what they hope, not evidence of finality. >>



I agree with you 100% Tex. However, I'm just not sure if KenAF is interpreting AMD's roadmap and/or presentation correctly. I would have to listen to the presentation again to get a better feel for what Ken is talking about.

 

[KenAF]

<< AMD's Processor Roadmap clearly shows .09u conversation sometime in the 2nd half of 2003. Where are you getting .11u from? >>

Ooops, it is .09 as you say; I've been arguing too much with PowerPC fans about Motorola's roadmap, me thinks.

Still, as it relates to die shrinks, that doesn't change my point.

 

[BryanHarig]

<< This depends on the sales people at Best Buy and other computer stores. I know many, many computer buyers think that Intel is better simply since a Best Buy salesman said so 4 years ago. Remember that they work on commision and thus earn more money if they convince a shopper to buy the more expensive Intel computer. That image still hasn't changed, since they liked their Intel computer. AMD needs something extremely drastic to switch the Best Buy salespersons minds >>



Sorry to deprive you of your scapegoat but I think you should go 'earn some knowledge' before you make such a declaration. No BestBuy sales person works on a commision. Stores are rated on the percent attachment for service plans, accesorys and other company focus areas. I assure you my coworkers would much rather sell you a lowerpriced computer both to leave more room in your budget for your service plan and accesorys and to ensure the attachment % on the sale is higher. And no one I have trained has an intel bias, really when you consider the utter crap mobos, video cards, and harddrives they are paired with in any of the computers we sell (VPR matrix excluded) i dont think you will see a huge performance difference between any of the computers we sell at a similar price point regardless of processor.