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Hamas reiterate it doesnt want peace with israel.

Freshgeardude

Freshgeardude

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http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=199393

Haniyeh: Hamas will never recognize Israel

By ASSOCIATED PRESS


Hamas PM speaks at rally marking 23rd anniversary since movement's founding; politicians hand out chocolate to improve image in Gaza.



"Hamas will never recognize Israel, despite pressures and efforts aimed at achieving this," Hamas Prime Minister Ismael Haniyeh said Tuesday during a mass rally in Gaza to mark 23 years since the birth of the Islamic movement in 1987, reported Army Radio.

"Hamas bears the flag of Palestinian liberation, all of Palestine, from the river to the sea," he added.


Haniyeh said Hamas is not afraid of Israeli threats and is ready for a confrontation.
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Yet more proof how LL and the likes truly dont understand the medieval and primitive people they try to defend.

Hamas does not want peace with israel. its been in their charter since the very beginning


oh and LOL at the last sentence of my quote. IIRC, hamas was crying for a cease fire in 2008 and Iran threatened them that they would lose Iranian support.
 
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Reilliterates? Is that like the kid that goes through second grade again and still can't read?
 
There are people in Israel who don't recognize Palestine either and think it's god given Jewish land from the river to the sea. I guess Israel is medieval and primitive too, or is this a one way street?
 
So is therer to be a Palestinian West Bank state and a Palestinian Gaza ghetto.

Given that the DEMOCRATICLY ELECTED government of the Palestinian people have stated that they will not recognize Israel, why should Israel negotiate with them over land boundaries? They have now again stated what the acceptable boundaries are: Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.

Do the Palestinian supporters have a different twist on this?

Who represents the Palestinian people?

Or do you have a justification why there should be two Palestines?
 
senseamp said:
There are people in Israel who don't recognize Palestine either and think it's god given Jewish land from the river to the sea. I guess Israel is medieval and primitive too, or is this a one way street?
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Leadership vs average Joe in the desert
 
senseamp said:
There are people in Israel who don't recognize Palestine either and think it's god given Jewish land from the river to the sea. I guess Israel is medieval and primitive too, or is this a one way street?
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are some of the israeli population primitive and medieval, yes. medieval and primitive governement no.


This is the PM of hamas saying this. The PM of israel isnt saying what you said or anything remotely near.
 
Four decades of settlement expansion is proof in action of the fact that "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river," just like the platform of the Israeli Prime Minster's party says it does.
 
kylebisme said:
Not just average the Joe in the desert by any stretch. From the party platform of Israel's Prime Minster:
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"Hamas will never recognize Israel, despite pressures and efforts aimed at achieving this," Hamas Prime Minister Ismael Haniyeh said Tuesday during a mass rally in Gaza
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The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.
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I'm sure in your demented way not recognizing the state of Israel, and rejecting Palestinian settlements passed a certain point is somehow the same thing, just not in reality.
 
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kylebisme said:
Four decades of settlement expansion is proof in action of the fact that "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river," just like the platform of the Israeli Prime Minster's party says it does.
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And 60 years have also shown that the Arabs/Palestinians do not want any Israel state.

Arab actions have been strongly demonstrated also.

So if both want the opposite; best to stick with the status quo that the Arabs setup.
 
xj0hnx said:
I'm sure in your demented way not recognizing the state of Israel, and rejecting Palestinian settlements passed a certain point is somehow the same thing, just not in reality.
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Here in reality; rejecting a Palestinian state west of the Jordan river is like rejecting the US west of the Atlantic, as neither of us have territory east of either.

Common Courtesy said:
So if both want the opposite; best to stick with the status quo that the Arabs setup.
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It wasn't Arabs who drove hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes in what is now Israel, nor did any Arabs arrange Israel's ongoing occupation and colonization of what little of Palestine is left. It's Israelis who created this status quo, with plenty of help from international backers, and it would be best to stop their madness by imposing a solution on the basis of international law. Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay recently took a step in that direction by recognizing Palestinian statehood, and it seems the EU might soon be doing the same.
 
kylebisme said:
Here in reality; rejecting a Palestinian state west of the Jordan river is like rejecting the US west of the Atlantic, as neither of us have territory east of either.


It wasn't Arabs who drove hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes in what is now Israel, nor did any Arabs arrange Israel's ongoing occupation and colonization of what little of Palestine is left. It's Israelis who created this status quo, with plenty of help from international backers, and it would be best to stop their madness by imposing a solution on the basis of international law. Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay recently took a step in that direction by recognizing Palestinian statehood, and it seems the EU might soon be doing the same.
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it was the arabs that drove out hundreds of thousands of jews out of their own countries because jews on a different place on earth had a battle with other arabs.
 
Common Courtesy said:
And 60 years have also shown that the Arabs/Palestinians do not want any Israel state.

Arab actions have been strongly demonstrated also.

So if both want the opposite; best to stick with the status quo that the Arabs setup.
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What a fool thing to say Common Courtesy? Both Hamas and the existing government of Israel are charting unsustainable and untenable positions. They are ideas and untenable ideas at that.

Both people and nations have to adapt to new realities, nothing stays the same, and those that do not adapt get swept aside by those that do better adapt to the new realities.

If Israel as a nation is going to long term survive, with long term measured in hundreds of years, where it is located in the mid-east, its going to have to have to forge a peace with its larger and more populated neighbors.

Both Hamas and the present government of Israel are very bad ideas handicapping that better future.

But to accentuate the positive, Israeli technology can do a great deal to help the surrounding Arab States achieve their goals. And thus allow Israel to be a valued and welcomed part of the mid-east. And once Israel no longer has to spend all its money on being the Sparta of the mid-east, it can better concentrate its energies building a far better nation at peace.

As for Hamas, let it become just one failed movement supplanted by better Palestinian leadership.
 
Was it Israel that tried to exterminate the Arabs on day 1 of it's birth?
Israel defended itself; the Arab nations were not - they were bent on destruction.

And the Arab nations that planned to attack Israel in '67. Innocent?

And the Arabs that attacked Israel on it's Holy day in '73. Innocent?



Each time, the Arabs werw slapped down after Israel struggled for her life.

Each time the Arabs promissed to never do such again. Such words of honor.

Then the Palestinians started up. Attack, get beat down , cry to the UN and repeat. Such words of honor?

They learned well fromt he Arabs.

The Palestinians do not want statehood - they want Palestine '47
 
Freshgeardude said:
are some of the israeli population primitive and medieval, yes. medieval and primitive governement no.


This is the PM of hamas saying this. The PM of israel isnt saying what you said or anything remotely near.
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Actions speak louder than words. They are continuing to build on land of the would be Palestinian state.
 
Lemon law said:
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What a fool thing to say Common Courtesy? Both Hamas and the existing government of Israel are charting unsustainable and untenable positions. They are ideas and untenable ideas at that.

Both people and nations have to adapt to new realities, nothing stays the same, and those that do not adapt get swept aside by those that do better adapt to the new realities.

If Israel as a nation is going to long term survive, with long term measured in hundreds of years, where it is located in the mid-east, its going to have to have to forge a peace with its larger and more populated neighbors.

Both Hamas and the present government of Israel are very bad ideas handicapping that better future.

But to accentuate the positive, Israeli technology can do a great deal to help the surrounding Arab States achieve their goals. And thus allow Israel to be a valued and welcomed part of the mid-east. And once Israel no longer has to spend all its money on being the Sparta of the mid-east, it can better concentrate its energies building a far better nation at peace.

As for Hamas, let it become just one failed movement supplanted by better Palestinian leadership.
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this is nice - however, they are a serious fly in the ointment.

And they are the DEMOCRATICLY ELECTED government of the Palestinian people. Not Abbas = so who should be Israel negotiating with, if at all.

If Hamas, you have the status quo. If Abbas, they will have to accept the results of anything that Hamas does
 
senseamp said:
Actions speak louder than words. They are continuing to build on land of the would be Palestinian state.
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What Palestinian state - the Pals never asked for it when they had control but thought they had a shot at the whole region.

Now that they can not have it their way, they throw a fit.

There is only one sandbox and they climbed out of it in a hissy fit. They can swallow their pride, climb back in and share the box and the toys.

Now you have Hamas who was elected stating that they want the whole sandbox.
Who is in charge, Hamas or Abbas.

The world may never know.
and until it is known, any speculation is jsut that
 
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Common Courtesy said:
what Palestinian state - the Pals never asked for it when they had control but thought they had a shot at the whole region.

Now that they can not have it their way, they throw a fit.

There is only one sandbox and they climbed out of it in a hissy fit. They can swallow their pride, climb back in and share the box and the toys.
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It's either an independent Palestinian state or they are Israeli citizens who should get full citizen rights. Israel's choice.
 
senseamp said:
It's either an independent Palestinian state or they are Israeli citizens who should get full citizen rights. Israel's choice.
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My gut is that as soon as the Palestinians decide that they want to share the sandbox; they can.

For the past 60 years, they have not wanted to share.
Right now, Hamas is stating they do not want to share.

Who are the Palestinians and are they able to be a responsible state?
 
Common Courtesy said:
My gut is that as soon as the Palestinians decide that they want to share the sandbox; they can.

For the past 60 years, they have not wanted to share.
Right now, Hamas is stating they do not want to share.

Who are the Palestinians and are they able to be a responsible state?
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Israel does not want to share the sandbox. If they did, they wouldn't be putting their toys all over it.
 
kylebisme said:
Here in reality; rejecting a Palestinian state west of the Jordan river is like rejecting the US west of the Atlantic, as neither of us have territory east of either.
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No matter how you try to spin it, in no way is not recognizing the state of Israel even remotely like not wanting Palestinians to settle west of a river.
 
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