Hamas PM Offers to Resign to end the boycott

[imported_dna]

Oh, just shut up with your psycho-babble.

If you want to help the situation, why don't you take your deep words, and Mullah Narudin stories to the Hamas in Gaza, and lets see how many minutes they'll tolerate you.

 

[Jaskalas]

This conflict is simple to me.

If Israel were to surrender, the Palestinians would kill everyone because it is their stated mandate to do so.

If Palestine were to surrender, there would be peace because Israel?s mandate is only for its own survival.

This is why I can never accept morale equivalency between the two of them.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: dna
Again with poor children :roll:

You don't care about children?

Don't worry, if they aren't "intentionally" targetted by Israel, then those terrorists will either fake their death, or strap a bomb on them. So, strapping an explosive belt on a kid is also part of "survival", and "resistance", right?

Again, you act as if Israeli's never doing anything wrong. When back in reality Israel has committed many many atrocities..

Maybe you should try harder to understand: both Hamas and Fatah have it in their charter the destruction of Israel, and the Iraninans & Co provide them with money exactly for that purpose. Surprisingly enough, you can't negotiate with someone who wants you dead.

Israel wants to destroy it's neighbors and take their land. The US & Co provide them with money eactly for that purpose. You need to try and understand that Israel is nowhere near innocent in this. In fact they have more UN condemnations than every other country combined.

In "Deliberate Deceptions: Facing the Facts About US-Israeli Relationship" (Lawrence Hill Books, 1995) author/former Congressman Paul Findley makes the point that Israel, with the collusion of the power elite on our continent, has been successful over the decades in keeping the United Nations on the sidelines in efforts to find a solution to the Middle East problem and to create real peace:

Here is a list of UN Resolutions

1955-1992:

* Resolution 106: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid"

* Resolution 111: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"

* Resolution 127: ". . . 'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem"

* Resolution 162: ". . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions"

* Resolution 171: ". . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria"

* Resolution 228: ". . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"

* Resolution 237: ". . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"

* Resolution 248: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"

* Resolution 250: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"

* Resolution 251: ". . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"

* Resolution 252: ". . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"

* Resolution 256: ". . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation""

* Resolution 259: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"

* Resolution 262: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport"

* Resolution 265: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"

* Resolution 267: ". . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"

* Resolution 270: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon" * Resolution 271: ". . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"

* Resolution 279: ". . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"

* Resolution 280: ". . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon"

* Resolution 285: ". . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"

* Resolution 298: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem"

* Resolution 313: ". . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"

* Resolution 316: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"

* Resolution 317: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"

* Resolution 332: ". . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon"

* Resolution 337: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty"

* Resolution 347: ". . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon"

* Resolution 425: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"

* Resolution 427: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon'

* Resolution 444: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"

* Resolution 446: ". . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"

* Resolution 450: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"

* Resolution 452: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"

* Resolution 465: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program"

* Resolution 467: ". . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon"

* Resolution 468: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"

* Resolution 469: ". . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians"

* Resolution 471: ". . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"

* Resolution 476: ". . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'"

* Resolution 478: ". . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'"

* Resolution 484: ". . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"

* Resolution 487: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility"

* Resolution 497: ". . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith"

* Resolution 498: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"

* Resolution 501: ". . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"

* Resolution 509: ". . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"

* Resolution 515: ". . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"

* Resolution 517: ". . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"

* Resolution 518: ". . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"

* Resolution 520: ". . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut"

* Resolution 573: ". . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters

* Resolution 587: ". . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"

* Resolution 592: ". . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"

* Resolution 605: ". . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians

* Resolution 607: ". . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention

* Resolution 608: ". . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"

* Resolution 636: ". . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians

* Resolution 641: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians

* Resolution 672: ". . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount

* Resolution 673: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations

* Resolution 681: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians

* Resolution 694: ". . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return

* Resolution 726: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians

* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

(taken from the above-mentioned title, pages 188 - 192)

THE FOLLOWING ARE THE RESOLUTIONS VETOED BY THE UNITED STATES DURING THE PERIOD OF SEPTEMBER, 1972, TO MAY, 1990 TO PROTECT ISRAEL FROM COUNCIL CRITICISM:

* . . . condemned Israel's attack against Southern Lebanon and Syria..."

* . . . affirmed the rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections. . . "

* . . . condemned Israel's air strikes and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians. . . "

* . . . called for self-determination of Palestinian people. . . "

* . . deplored Israel's altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognized as an international city by most world nations and the United Nations . . . "

* . . . affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people . . . "

* . . . endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people . . . "

* . . . demanded Israel's withdrawal from the Golan Heights . . . "

* . . . condemned Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva convention protocols of civilized nations.

* . . . condemned an Israeli soldier who shot eleven Moslem worshippers at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount near Al-Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem. . . "

* . . . urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon ... "

* . . . urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Beirut. . . "

* . . . urged cutoff of economic aid to Israel if it refused to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon. . . "

* . . . condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied territories in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace. . . "

* . . . deplores Israel's brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urges its withdrawal. . . "

* . . . condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounced the Israeli 'Iron Fist' policy of repression. . . "

* . . . denounced Israel's violation of human rights in the occupied territories. . . "

* . . . deplored Israel's violence in southern Lebanon. . . "

* . . . deplored Israel's activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem that threatened the sanctity of Muslim holy sites. . . "

* . . . condemned Israel's hijacking of a Libyan passenger airplane. . . "

* . . . deplored Israel's attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon. . . "

* . . . called on Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestinian intifada that violated the rights of occupied Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions, and to formalize a leading role for the United Nations in future peace negotiations. . . "

* . . . urged Israel to accept back deported Palestinians, condemned Israel's shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention, and called for a peace settlement under UN auspices. . . "

* . . . condemned Israel's . . incursion into Lebanon. . . "

* . . . deplored Israel's . . . commando raids on Lebanon. . . "

* . . . deplored Israel's repression of the Palestinian intifada and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians. . . "

* . . . deplored Israel's violation of the human rights of the Palestinians. . . "

* . . . demanded that Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israel's crackdown on the Palestinian intifada . . . "

* . . . called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli-occupied lands. . . "

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[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
This conflict is simple to me.

If Israel were to surrender, the Palestinians would kill everyone because it is their stated mandate to do so.

If Palestine were to surrender, there would be peace because Israel?s mandate is only for its own survival.

This is why I can never accept morale equivalency between the two of them.

So you think Israel is better because they are winning and are willing to settle for the status quo?

 

[flavio]

Hamas has dropped its call for the destruction of Israel from its manifesto for the Palestinian parliamentary election in a fortnight, a move that brings the group closer to the mainstream Palestinian position of building a state within the boundaries of the occupied territories.

The Islamist faction, responsible for a long campaign of suicide bombings and other attacks on Israelis, still calls for the maintenance of the armed struggle against occupation. But it steps back from Hamas's 1988 charter demanding Israel's eradication and the establishment of a Palestinian state in its place.

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[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: dna
Oh, just shut up with your psycho-babble.

If you want to help the situation, why don't you take your deep words, and Mullah Narudin stories to the Hamas in Gaza, and lets see how many minutes they'll tolerate you.

If I can't reach an advanced human like yourself, imagine how much less chance I would have with those primitives.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: flavio
You don't care about children?

Yep, you're really showing how morally superior you are by raising the "think of the children" argument.

Again, you act as if Israeli's never doing anything wrong. When back in reality Israel has committed many many atrocities..

I never said that, but it's interesting that you compare a blatant act of child abuse -- and almost murder -- to deaths incurred during fighting, for which Hezbollah is also responsible due to their method of operation. Nevertheless, Hezbollah definitely has a knack for public relations, and have no qualms with displaying dead bodies as many times as necessary; also, their lucky to have such a gulliable, sensational media on their side.

Israel wants to destroy it's neighbors and take their land. The US & Co provide them with money eactly for that purpose. You need to try and understand that Israel is nowhere near innocent in this. In fact they have more UN condemnations than every other country combined.

Ah, yes, the age old Jewish conspiracy; thank goodness the Arabs tried to stop them in 1948, 1967, and 1973, right?
A normal person would wonder how come the UN is so obsessed with Israel, after all, no other country receives so much attention.

Gee, I wonder how many times was Syria condmened for the massacre in Hama, or Saddam for his escapades....eh, I guess the UN doesn't deal with deaths that go into the tens of thousands.

As for you Hamas charter reference, I have this for you: Hamas in its own words.
Betcha you didn't think that those changes were non-binding.... (if there were any changes)

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: flavio
You don't care about children?

Yep, you're really showing how morally superior you are by raising the "think of the children" argument.

Again, you act as if Israeli's never doing anything wrong. When back in reality Israel has committed many many atrocities..

I never said that, but it's interesting that you compare a blatant act of child abuse -- and almost murder -- to deaths incurred during fighting, for which Hezbollah is also responsible due to their method of operation. Nevertheless, Hezbollah definitely has a knack for public relations, and have no qualms with displaying dead bodies as many times as necessary; also, their lucky to have such a gulliable, sensational media on their side.

Israel wants to destroy it's neighbors and take their land. The US & Co provide them with money eactly for that purpose. You need to try and understand that Israel is nowhere near innocent in this. In fact they have more UN condemnations than every other country combined.

Ah, yes, the age old Jewish conspiracy; thank goodness the Arabs tried to stop them in 1948, 1967, and 1973, right?
A normal person would wonder how come the UN is so obsessed with Israel, after all, no other country receives so much attention.

Gee, I wonder how many times was Syria condmened for the massacre in Hama, or Saddam for his escapades....eh, I guess the UN doesn't deal with deaths that go into the tens of thousands.

As for you Hamas charter reference, I have this for you: Hamas in its own words.
Betcha you didn't think that those changes were non-binding.... (if there were any changes)

Nurse and feed those wounds. Stoke that hate.

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: flavio

Hamas has dropped its call for the destruction of Israel from its manifesto for the Palestinian parliamentary election in a fortnight, a move that brings the group closer to the mainstream Palestinian position of building a state within the boundaries of the occupied territories.

The Islamist faction, responsible for a long campaign of suicide bombings and other attacks on Israelis, still calls for the maintenance of the armed struggle against occupation. But it steps back from Hamas's 1988 charter demanding Israel's eradication and the establishment of a Palestinian state in its place.

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Good. Once they recognize Israel's existence, then there can actually be peace talks. Olmert has even stated that he respects Abbas and thinks he can work with him.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: dna
Hezbollah definitely has a knack for public relations, and have no qualms with displaying dead bodies as many times as necessary; also, their lucky to have such a gulliable, sensational media on their side.

One their side? :laugh: Yeah, that darn media just ignores anything that happens to Israelis eh?

A normal person would wonder how come the UN is so obsessed with Israel, after all, no other country receives so much attention.

Yes, and would conclude that Israel must be doing a lot wrong. The real question is why they don't do more to force them into compliance.

Gee, I wonder how many times was Syria condmened for the massacre in Hama, or Saddam for his escapades....eh, I guess the UN doesn't deal with deaths that go into the tens of thousands.

If you wonder, look it up. Saddam certainly got some condemnations.

As for you Hamas charter reference, I have this for you: Hamas in its own words.
Betcha you didn't think that those changes were non-binding.... (if there were any changes)

Hamas? leaders are not of a single mind. They include both fiery radicals who dismiss any suggestion of co-existence with Israel and moderates whose views differ little from those of Abbas, a Fatah leader who is considered a moderate. But over the months and years preceding January?s elections, the center of gravity within the group?s thinking had unmistakably shifted. Senior officials repeatedly signaled that Hamas is open to changing its policy in favor of a long-term peaceful accommodation with Israel; that it is willing to take concrete steps toward this goal, provided that Israel reciprocates; and that it would seriously consider moving even further given the right political circumstances.

On more than one occasion, Hamas? chief representative in Lebanon, Usama Hamdan, has outlined a stance toward the conflict with Israel which, according to an ICG report (Enter Hamas, 1/06), ?many who study Hamas consider [to be] its emerging consensus.? In an interim agreement, Hamas and Israel would conclude a comprehensive armistice in exchange for an Israeli withdrawal to the 1967 borders. After a period of confidence-building, a formal agreement could be concluded. ?Hamas is clear in terms of [both] the historical solution and an interim solution,? Hamdan said. ?We are ready for both: the borders of 1967, a state, elections and [a peace] agreement after ten to fifteen years of building trust.?

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[imported_dna]

You're living in a dream world.

I suppose you haven't noticed all the staging done in Lebanon, and fabricated stories that came out of there, like the ambulance incident; and let's not forget the "touching-up" of photos. To that you can add the Al-Durah incident that became (for some odd reason) relevant to the whole world.

You can quote as many articles as you want, and cite various declarations, but the fact remains that they are still involved with terrorist activity -- everything else is plain double-speak, just like Arafat did, a show for the Western media, while amonst themselves they still talk of Jihad, and the eradication of the Arab-blood drinking Jews.

EDIT: Iraq got condemned only after it was defeated in 1991, when it was subjected to a lot more media coverage. There is no UNSC condemnation in regards to Hama.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: dna
You're living in a dream world.

I suppose you haven't noticed all the staging done in Lebanon, and fabricated stories that came out of there, like the ambulance incident; and let's not forget the "touching-up" of photos. To that you can add the Al-Durah incident that became (for some odd reason) relevant to the whole world.

Yeah, all Palestinian deaths are staged including the ones in the article that started this thread and I'm the one in a dreamworld?

You can quote as many articles as you want, and cite various declarations, but the fact remains that they are still involved with terrorist activity -- everything else is plain double-speak, just like Arafat did, a show for the Western media, while amonst themselves they still talk of Jihad, and the eradication of the Arab-blood drinking Jews.

The israelis are involved in terrorist activity and kill a lot more civilians. They put on a big show for the western media and to get western funds but among themselves still want to eradicate the palestinians.

EDIT: Iraq got condemned only after it was defeated in 1991, when it was subjected to a lot more media coverage. There is no UNSC condemnation in regards to Hama.

Looks like we're overdue to invade Israel.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: flavio
Yeah, all Palestinian deaths are staged including the ones in the article that started this thread and I'm the one in a dreamworld?

Your obsession with death and body counts is quite disturbing.

The israelis are involved in terrorist activity and kill a lot more civilians. They put on a big show for the western media and to get western funds but among themselves still want to eradicate the palestinians.

I see you're in the business of redifing the meaning of words; with that sort of skill you can support any argument.
I'd say it's pretty hard to eradicate anyone, especially when the "kill"-rate is lower than the birth rate.

Looks like we're overdue to invade Israel.

Open a history book -- you might learn something.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: flavio
Yeah, all Palestinian deaths are staged including the ones in the article that started this thread and I'm the one in a dreamworld?

Your obsession with death and body counts is quite disturbing.

The israelis are involved in terrorist activity and kill a lot more civilians. They put on a big show for the western media and to get western funds but among themselves still want to eradicate the palestinians.

I see you're in the business of redifing the meaning of words; with that sort of skill you can support any argument.
I'd say it's pretty hard to eradicate anyone, especially when the "kill"-rate is lower than the birth rate.

Looks like we're overdue to invade Israel.

Open a history book -- you might learn something.

What for. History is the story of endless human violence and retaliation. You are history but you have learned nothing from it. All you see is your hate.