Hamas Made Israel a 'Truce Offer' That It Can Only Refuse

[JEDIYoda]

So we can gather that this conflict will go on for along time!
We know that the UN will not get involved and we also know that the EU is probably has more credibility than the UN!!

I see no reason why Hamas needed some sort of face saving words be written into Egypt`s proposed cease fire that would allow Hamas to claim Victory!?!?! It`s quite obvious that probably neither side will be victorious....

People just leave Israel alone. That is the bottom line!
When the Tiger sleeps the Jungle is a better place for all!!

http://news.yahoo.com/hamas-made-israel-truce-offer-only-refuse-152657455.html


Early reports are signaling that Hamas, along with the Gaza terrorist group Islamic Jihad, are proposing a cessation of hostilities in exchange for the release of Palestinian prisoners who were initially released in the prisoner exchange that freed kidnapped Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in 2011. A number of the men were rearrested during Israel's operation to find the men who abducted and killed three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank last month.
The Times of Israel reports some of the other demands:


[Hamas also] demands that all crossings to the Gaza Strip be opened, and that the Rafah crossing to Egypt be secured by UN forces. It calls for an airport to be established in the Strip, that fishing areas be expanded, and that Israeli aircraft alter their flight routes such that none fly over the coastal enclave.The Israeli site Arutz Sheva adds:


There is no official confirmation of the offer and it is being greeted with skepticism, as more of a trial balloon than an actual offer.

It seems fair to say that few of these demands will be taken seriously by Israel. Let's have a look at them.


of hand, reportedly in objection to having been left out of the negotiations. As we noted yesterday, Hamas dismissed Egypt's ceasefire proposal out ons. The more likely reason though is that the Egyptian proposal contained no incentives that would allow the terrorist group to declare some kind of public relations victory for its battle with Israel.

Release of Palestinian prisoners

So long as the killers of the three teenage Israelis are on the loose, it seems highly unlikely that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will be politically able or personally willing to make this concession.

But this does broach an interesting possibility. Were Hamas or the Palestinian Authority to find and/or turn in the men responsible, it would change all the political calculations here. Don't count on it.

UN observers at border crossings

The United Nations doesn't have a sterling reputation when it comes to enforcing conditions of a ceasefire. Following the end of Israel's 2006 war with Hezbollah (which has many parallels to the Gaza conflicts of the past few years), the set up a force called UNIFIL (United Nations Interim Force In Lebanon), which was meant to enforce the ceasefire and keep Hezbollah from rearming. According to Israel and some press reports, Hezbollah's stockpiling of rockets from Iran resumed almost immediately.

Hoping to move things along, France is reportedly proposing that EU observers man the border crossings between Israel and Gaza. Does the EU have more credibility than the UN? Probably.

Easing the blockade of Gaza

The other demands set forth by Hamas and Islamic Jihad speak to Israel's much-maligned blockade of Gaza, which is meant to keep the terrorist groups from rearming. The blockade also makes the importing of material goods for building a Palestinian economy extremely difficult.

Previous ceasefires have included provisions that would limit the scope of Israel's blockade, however, given the number of rockets fired into Israel from Gaza (particularly in the direction of population centers like Tel Aviv) as well as the number of rockets reportedly destroyed by Israeli airstrikes, the easing of the blockade against Gaza seems like a nonstarter...for now.

With enough international pressure (which doesn't seem to be coming quite as forcefully as it has in conflicts past), this may change.

What's next?

On Tuesday, the Israeli cabinet approved the (Hamas-rejected) Egyptian ceasefire and held back on striking Gaza for six hours. One Israeli was reportedly killed as Hamas continued firing rockets. Following the end of the Israeli pause, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed to strike with even greater intensity. On the domestic front, he is facing pressure from some politicians on the right to order a ground invasion of Gaza.

With the 2009 conflict between Israel and Hamas in mind, the international community is working hard to make sure what would be a destructive and deadly ground invasion stays in the hypothetical. (Egypt is said to be mediating another truce.)

Meanwhile, until a palatable proposal emerges or an external factor forces the hand of one of the sides, the violence will continue. In the ninth of fighting, the Palestinian death toll passed 200 and rockets continue to rain down on Israeli cities.

This article was originally published at http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/...a-truce-offer-that-it-can-only-refuse/374523/

 

[cabri]

In layman's terms.

Our way or the highway.

Hamas knows that Israel will not accepts these terms; so proposes them to con everyone else into thinking that Israel is the bad guy.

Each of such terms previously has benefited Hamas and allowed more attacks against Israel.

The screws need to be tightened down, not removed. Otherwise it is a rinse/repeat cycle that costs lives and $$ from all involved and gains nothing except keep the Hamas militant wing in power.

 

[Abwx]

You are lying , the hamas proposals have been posted on the other thread and they are all legitimate, i suspect that thoses new threads are deliberatly created to bury any info that was posted on the previous ones and wich are enraging for the zionists propagandists, thoses legitimate conditions were refused by israel , hence hamas refusal to capitulate , wich was the israeli demand, that is, capitulation without condition.

Here are those condition again, so everybody can see that you re liars :

• the cessation of Israeli bombing,
• end the blockade of Gaza in place since 2006,
• the opening of the Rafah border crossing with Egypt,
• the release of prisoners rearrested after being released as a result of the exchange agreement of the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in 2011.

posted here, but you already knew it :

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36530239&postcount=303

 

[Harabec]

Good luck getting Egypt to open the Rafah border crossing...

 

[cabri]

• the cessation of Israeli bombing,
• end the blockade of Gaza in place since 2006,
• the opening of the Rafah border crossing with Egypt,
• the release of prisoners rearrested after being released as a result of the exchange agreement of the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in 2011.

• Israel stopped the bombing when they agreed to the Egyptian truce offering on Wed. Hamas did not stop the rockets.
  
• Blockade is there to prevent weapons from coming to Hamas. Weapons have arrived into Gaza from Iran and others by sea. those are the same arms being thrown at Israeli citizens.
  
• As stated above; Egypt controls the crossing, not Israel. Egypt current government does not trust/want Hamas. When the previous Egyptian government relaxed restrictions, arms and contraband flowed freely into Gaza. Again, those are being used against Israel and also were used against Egyptian forces.
  
• Those prisoners might be released; Many were arrested as a result of the sweep looking for the teenagers and the culprits. Maybe if Hamas/PLO was willing to provide the people responsible, it would allow some reciprocation. Israel found is punishing those that were responsible for the Palestinian teenager. The Palestinians have shown no interest in in doing any investigation. Ask why?

So Hamas proposes something that is a non starter and refuses to even consider the previous offer because it would not help them politically.
They could do two things to ratchet down the tensions and refuse to do either.

1. Stop the rockets - and doing so would put pressure on Israel to not bomb
2. Locate the perps responsible for the kidnapping

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Hamas and its apologists think they are so smart and righteous but fail to realize that they are really complete morons. If the Palestinians had simply embraced the Israelis decades ago they would all be much much better off and would have far more wealth and a higher quality of life.

However, ethnic and religious pride (and a feeling of butt-hurt) won't allow them to acknowledge that the Jews are simply smarter and offer a superior civilization to what primitive Islam and the Arab world has to offer.

 

[MarkLuvsCS]

sounds like the only option is to start returning 10 fold the attacks until humas is either completely removed from the population or there is no one left. Sad it seems to have to come to it but when an animal refuses to stop attacking, you eventually have to put it down.

 

[Matt1970]

• Israel stopped the bombing when they agreed to the Egyptian truce offering on Wed. Hamas did not stop the rockets.

Hasn't that been the case time after time?

 

[cabri]

AS others have stated; facts/actions do not count as long as Israel exists. :thumbsdown:

 

[iGas]

Hamas and its apologists think they are so smart and righteous but fail to realize that they are really complete morons. If the Palestinians had simply embraced the Israelis decades ago they would all be much much better off and would have far more wealth and a higher quality of life.

However, ethnic and religious pride (and a feeling of butt-hurt) won't allow them to acknowledge that the Jews are simply smarter and offer a superior civilization to what primitive Islam and the Arab world has to offer.[/QUOTE]
In the same breath, if the Jews simply embraced the German decades ago they all be much better off and would have far more wealth and higher quality of life. However, ethnic and religious pride won't allow the Jews to acknowledge that Nazi Germans are simply smarter and offer superior civilization to what primitive Judaism and the Jewish world has to offer.

And, I'm sure that the Brits use to say the samething regarding the rest of the unwashed, or how the Japanese saw the rest of the Asian decades ago, or how the South African white saw the black, or how the slave owners regard the blacks in America.

IMHO, the time for apathy is long over, unless the Israelis Jews are still a few hundred years behind the time.

 

[iGas]

sounds like the only option is to start returning 10 fold the attacks until humas is either completely removed from the population or there is no one left. Sad it seems to have to come to it but when an animal refuses to stop attacking, you eventually have to put it down.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps, you are too ignorance to learn from history but the Nazi once did considered the Jews are untermenschen animals that needed to be put down.

 

[PokerGuy]

sounds like the only option is to start returning 10 fold the attacks until humas is either completely removed from the population or there is no one left.

Yeah, righteous genocide surely shows how wonderfully superior you are to those barbarians. You are just a sick person.

Sad it seems to have to come to it but when an animal refuses to stop attacking, you eventually have to put it down.

Yeah, especially when you have that animal confined and refuse to feed it and beat it every now and again. How dare that ungrateful animal attack when it gets an opportunity!!

It's all sickening, there are no good guys in this mess, just two very bad sides.

 

[Abwx]

It's all sickening, there are no good guys in this mess, just two very bad sides.

I stole your house and decades later my grandchildren who "inherited" it are fighting your grandchildren and both are killing each others families but you say that it s my family that is right because, well , she has much more weapons while still squatting the property i stole years ago and that the neigbours did recognize my grandchildren "right" to keep this house....

Great juridical analysis of yours.

 

[FerrelGeek]

You two are obviously the paid pro Israeli shills that phokus warned us about. Go away or he will smite thee.

In layman's terms.

Our way or the highway.

Hamas knows that Israel will not accepts these terms; so proposes them to con everyone else into thinking that Israel is the bad guy.

Each of such terms previously has benefited Hamas and allowed more attacks against Israel.

The screws need to be tightened down, not removed. Otherwise it is a rinse/repeat cycle that costs lives and $$ from all involved and gains nothing except keep the Hamas militant wing in power.

Hamas and its apologists think they are so smart and righteous but fail to realize that they are really complete morons. If the Palestinians had simply embraced the Israelis decades ago they would all be much much better off and would have far more wealth and a higher quality of life.

However, ethnic and religious pride (and a feeling of butt-hurt) won't allow them to acknowledge that the Jews are simply smarter and offer a superior civilization to what primitive Islam and the Arab world has to offer.

 

[PokerGuy]

Great juridical analysis of yours.

You conveniently chose to ignore all the activities by the radical crazies, supported by radical crazies in places like iran and syria to attack israel and the citizens. Blaming one side while ignoring the other makes no sense.

 

[Abwx]

You conveniently chose to ignore all the activities by the radical crazies, supported by radical crazies in places like iran and syria to attack israel and the citizens. Blaming one side while ignoring the other makes no sense.

I ignore no one but i take account of the root of the problem.

If i was a palestinian i would sure be a resistant, and dont tell me that i support "terrorism", because :

"I would have joined a terrorist organization."
-- Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Propose unfair terms - gun down Palestinian children on the beach,.. makes total sense.

Also, any heavy handed responses in the US by law enforcement agencies; you people lose your shit.

Which is it folks?

The victim is, or isn't responsible for what is happening to them? You can't cry victimization when the police bust your ass for carrying a kilo of coke and then dismiss Israel killing children as something they brought upon themselves.

 

[cabri]

Propose unfair terms -

The terms were proposed by Egypt.
Please explain how they were unfair. Israel stood down unconditionally.
It was not asking anything from Hamas other than a cessation to the shelling.

Then compare the Hamas proposed offer. What they entailed.
Hamas wanted to be rewarded for their previous bad behavior.
There is a detail analysis by others in a different thread.

 

[Newell Steamer]

People just leave Israel alone. That is the bottom line!

Hey, you do realize no one is physically preventing Israel from doing anything, right?

If you want people to stop criticizing Israel, well,... that is certainly not going to happen. And, if you expect / demand that, you've lost your damn mind.

Poor Israel, it can't kill children defend itself from terrorist attacks in peace..

{:*-(

 

[JEDIYoda]

Hey, you do realize no one is physically preventing Israel from doing anything, right? <-- you do realize that missles are being lobbed at Israel??
If you want people to stop criticizing Israel, well,... that is certainly not going to happen. And, if you expect / demand that, you've lost your damn mind. <--- I never said that....I don`t think Israel cares either.....

Poor Israel, it can't kill children defend itself from terrorist attacks in peace.. <-- The world wants Peace --just leave Israel alone!

Perhaps, you are too ignorance to learn from history but the Nazi once did considered the Jews are untermenschen animals that needed to be put down.

<--yes!! Lets play the Nazi card......you are one sick person!
After all there are so many similarities--NOT!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

You are lying , the hamas proposals have been posted on the other thread and they are all legitimate, i suspect that thoses new threads are deliberatly created to bury any info that was posted on the previous ones and wich are enraging for the zionists propagandists, thoses legitimate conditions were refused by israel , hence hamas refusal to capitulate , wich was the israeli demand, that is, capitulation without condition.

Here are those condition again, so everybody can see that you re liars :


Quote:
the cessation of Israeli bombing,
end the blockade of Gaza in place since 2006,
the opening of the Rafah border crossing with Egypt,
the release of prisoners rearrested after being released as a result of the exchange agreement of the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in 2011.


posted here, but you already knew it :

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...&postcount=303

Dude you need to not leave items out of the Hamas cease fire proposal --
WHAT HAMAS WANTS
Hamas seeks more than an end to strikes, according to numerous sources, including Israeli negotiator Gershon Baskin, who helped establish a backchannel with Hamas in 2011. Those discussions led to the 2011 release of kidnapped Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners.

Those demands reportedly include:
Freeing 54 prisoners who were released in the Shalit deal but rearrested in response to the murder of three Israeli teenagers,
as well as hundreds of others detained in the crackdown;
Opening of Rafah border crossing between Gaza and Egypt;Ending the siege on Gaza;
Extending the fishing zone off the Gaza coast, currently set at three miles despite a 2012 agreement to double it;
Pay the salaries of 40,000 Hamas employees of the Palestinian Authority in Gaza.
The Egyptian cease-fire only touches on the second and third points, without any clear promises.

The above sounds like demands Israel can agree too...huh....duh...NOT!!

The text of the proposal includes only a vague proposition to open the border crossings and &#8220;facilitate&#8221; the passage of persons and goods &#8211; &#8220;once the security situation becomes stable on the ground.&#8221; It&#8217;s not clear a cessation of rocket fire alone would qualify as stabilizing the security situation.

Taken from -- http://news.yahoo.com/israel-accept...lYwNzcgRwb3MDOARjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDQxOF8x

 

[werepossum]

<--yes!! Lets play the Nazi card......you are one sick person!
After all there are so many similarities--NOT!!

You are wrong, sir. They are TWO sick persons.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

\In the same breath, if the Jews simply embraced the German decades ago they all be much better off and would have far more wealth and higher quality of life. However, ethnic and religious pride won't allow the Jews to acknowledge that Nazi Germans are simply smarter and offer superior civilization to what primitive Judaism and the Jewish world has to offer.

Aww. That's a very cute response.

Sadly, the situation with the Germans was very different. (1.) The Germans were not smarter than the Jews (and needed the Jews for scientific advancement). (2.) The Germans were psychotic and insane, offering a completely inferior government to what the Jews would have established if left on their own.

In contrast, when the Jews escaped worldwide persecution to found a society in Palestine, they had no intentions of genocide and would have done wonders to improve the standard of living of the Palestinian people.

And, I'm sure that the Brits use to say the samething regarding the rest of the unwashed, or how the Japanese saw the rest of the Asian decades ago, or how the South African white saw the black, or how the slave owners regard the blacks in America.

Except in the case of the Israelis and the Arabs/Islam, it is true. Did you know that in a great many Arab and Muslim nations women have few if any freedoms? Islam as it is practiced today is currently the world's most backwards and destructive religion.