Halliburton rape case and the increasing use of arbitration

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http://www.npr.org/templates/s....php?storyId=105153315

NPR left out that the rape kit "disappeared" after it was turned over to Halliburton security. But seriously, this very disturbing that a corporation can basically get away with rape. It should be illegal for any citizen to sign away their rights because, more often than not, they don't know what they're signing away with all the legalese mumbo jumbo.

Also, if companies pay for the arbiters, isn't that a conflict of interest in itself? That's why we have impartial courts.

Jamie Leigh Jones was a 20-year-old Halliburton employee in 2005 when she was sent to work in Iraq. She'd been there just four days when she joined a small group of Halliburton firefighters outside her barracks at the end of the day. One of them gave her a drink. She took two sips, and Jones says that was the last thing she remembered.

"I woke up inside the barracks," she says. "It was actually inside my barrack room, and that's when I noticed I had been severely beaten and was actually naked."

Jones had been raped, repeatedly. By how many men, she's not sure. But she says one man was still naked and asleep in the room when she came to.

"Apparently, he knew he was beyond the reach of any jurisdiction, so he was still brazen enough to be there," she says.

Jones was escorted by security to the company clinic for a rape examination. When the rape kit examination was done, the evidence was turned over to Halliburton security.

The young woman's breasts were so badly mauled that she is permanently disfigured. It has been four years since the attack, and despite the physical and circumstantial evidence, the Department of Justice has declined to investigate.

Seeking Justice Through a Suit

Justice Department officials refused to explain or comment in any way to NPR about the case. Jones has decided that if she can't have her day in criminal court, she'll sue Halliburton and its former subsidiary, KBR, in civil court.

"I want corporate accountability," she says. "I was so brutalized that I'm going to have to remember this the rest of my life. And Halliburton was so uncompassionate that they even let the men work there, still, after I went home."

Heather Browne, director of communications at KBR, says that while the company can't speak to the facts since the case is ongoing, it denies any liability in the attack. And she argues that any dispute with Jones, even one involving charges of rape, must go to arbitration.

So Jones is now going to court seeking the right to sue. She has become one of the nation's leading arbitration reform advocates.

An Arbitration Culture

If Jones' case is remarkable, the fact that arbitration is involved is not. In the past 20 years it has become a dominant feature in the legal relationship between American corporations, their employees and their customers.

If you use credit cards, have a cell phone contract, bought a house from a builder or put your mother or father in a nursing home, you have very likely signed away your right to be heard in court if there's a problem. It's called pre-dispute mandatory binding arbitration.

Public Citizen's David Arkush, one of the country's leading researchers on arbitration, says many consumers have no clue as to the rights they're signing away.

"In the fine print of those contracts is a provision that says that they can never sue the company if they have a dispute," Arkush says." Instead they have to go a private, secret tribunal chosen by the company."

A Losing Record For Consumers

Arbitration is a closed, private process, often with little or no written record. But one state, California, changed its law to require that arbitration results be publicly recorded. Public Citizen staff reviewed 34,000 California cases, and Arkush says the results speak volumes.

"Overall, consumers lost 94 percent of the time," he says.

The arbitration industry disputes that number. But it does not disagree that corporations win more of the time. The disagreement is about whether this is evidence of bias or a reflection that corporations bring stronger cases.

Mike Kelly, spokesman for the National Arbitration Forum ? one of the country's largest arbitration firms ? says it's the latter.

"You're not going to bring a case that you're going to lose," he says. "Frankly, you're not going to bring a case that you think you have a chance to lose."

Kelly says the results would still be lopsided if these same cases went to court instead of arbitration. And Kelly says his arbitrators, which the NAF calls neutrals, are men and women without bias.

"What you're really doing is taking a shot at all those individual neutrals who are handling these cases," he says.

Rulings And Consequences

Elizabeth Bartholet was one of the NAF's arbitrators for a time. She's a law professor at Harvard and for two decades has moonlighted as a part-time arbitrator. The first 19 cases she arbitrated for the National Arbitration Forum were all credit card cases. She ruled each time for the credit card company.

Then, on the 20th case, she ruled for the consumer. After reviewing the evidence, Bartholet awarded the cardholder $48,000. And with that, her career as an NAF arbitrator was effectively over. She says she was stricken from her remaining cases.

"I called the NAF and spoke to the case manager, and she agreed the reason I was being removed was because I had ruled in this one case against the credit card company," Bartholet says.

The NAF says nothing improper was done, that companies and consumers alike are allowed to strike an arbitrator from a case. Bartholet counters that arbitrators know full well that if they rule against corporations too often, their income will dry up.

"NAF arbitrators are given a form where every line is filled out in terms of the amount it is suggested that you rule," she says. "And so all you need to do is fill in to the right [of that line] the exact same number. And then at the bottom, you total it up and they give the attorneys' fees number. And there's no indication that you should even write a one-sentence opinion."

Bartholet says nowadays, she will arbitrate only when both parties are roughly equal in power and enter into arbitration voluntarily.

Push For Reform

The Arbitration Fairness Act now before Congress would ban clauses that make arbitration mandatory for the resolution of disputes ? restoring to consumers and employees the choice of taking their case to court.

Lisa Rickard, president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's Institute for Legal Reform, says that making arbitration voluntary will lead to its extinction.

She also says it will clog the courts with needless litigation. "It really is human nature," she says. "When people have an argument, they really want to fight it out. And the best place to fight it out is in court."
 

BoberFett

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Arbitration shouldn't even enter the picture in a criminal case. Arbitration is for civil matters.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Arbitration shouldn't even enter the picture in a criminal case. Arbitration is for civil matters.

I agree. And I find it very objectionable that it is currently being used in criminal cases in the US primarily in employment where in order to be employed the employee must agree to arbitration in cases where the company may have violated US law.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Arbitration shouldn't even enter the picture in a criminal case. Arbitration is for civil matters.

I agree. And I find it very objectionable that it is currently being used in criminal cases in the US primarily in employment where in order to be employed the employee must agree to arbitration in cases where the company may have violated US law.

So why isn't the government stepping in and prosecuting on their own? Halliburton can't stand in the way of a prosecutor.
 

Mr. Lennon

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Those men are absolute fucking barbarians. The fact that Halliburton continued to employ and shield them is sickening.
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Arbitration shouldn't even enter the picture in a criminal case. Arbitration is for civil matters.

I agree. And I find it very objectionable that it is currently being used in criminal cases in the US primarily in employment where in order to be employed the employee must agree to arbitration in cases where the company may have violated US law.

So why isn't the government stepping in and prosecuting on their own? Halliburton can't stand in the way of a prosecutor.

Isn't this a repost? I could've sworn I'd seen this article posted here before. Regardless, it's interesting to discuss (again?).

As for why the gov't can't/won't prosecute, there may be jurisdictional issues. This rape took place in Iraq, and the woman was a civilian, not a service member (a status which would've given the U.S. Gov't jurisdiction regardless of location). I'm not 100% sure, but I'd be willing to guess federal prosecutors lacked jurisdiction to press criminal charges in this case.

As for the use of arbitration in criminal cases here in the U.S., I haven't heard of that. Links to criminal cases which have gone to arbitration instead of trial?
 

techs

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Arbitration shouldn't even enter the picture in a criminal case. Arbitration is for civil matters.

I agree. And I find it very objectionable that it is currently being used in criminal cases in the US primarily in employment where in order to be employed the employee must agree to arbitration in cases where the company may have violated US law.

So why isn't the government stepping in and prosecuting on their own? Halliburton can't stand in the way of a prosecutor.

You're mixing the two up.
In my example the government doesn't prosecute unless someone files a complaint. The employee will be sued to penury if he files a complaint because he signed an arbitration agreement not to.
 

Gooberlx2

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Arbitration shouldn't even enter the picture in a criminal case. Arbitration is for civil matters.

I agree. And I find it very objectionable that it is currently being used in criminal cases in the US primarily in employment where in order to be employed the employee must agree to arbitration in cases where the company may have violated US law.

So why isn't the government stepping in and prosecuting on their own? Halliburton can't stand in the way of a prosecutor.

Isn't this a repost? I could've sworn I'd seen this article posted here before. Regardless, it's interesting to discuss (again?).

As for why the gov't can't/won't prosecute, there may be jurisdictional issues. This rape took place in Iraq, and the woman was a civilian, not a service member (a status which would've given the U.S. Gov't jurisdiction regardless of location). I'm not 100% sure, but I'd be willing to guess federal prosecutors lacked jurisdiction to press criminal charges in this case.

As for the use of arbitration in criminal cases here in the U.S., I haven't heard of that. Links to criminal cases which have gone to arbitration instead of trial?

I don't think they do. The article does mention that since the offense happened outside of US jurisdiction, and the justice dept won't investigate/prosecute. The employee/victim's only real recourse is to attempt a civil suit with her uncaring employer.

Using that same logic, I wish she had cut that one fucker's throat.

Still....that whole jurisdiction argument is bullshit, IMO. If the US can indict and prosecute perverted US citizens traveling to Singapore to sexually exploit children (if Dateline is to be believed), they should certainly be able to prosecute those who commit any other kind of heinous crime overseas as well.

Article is light on details regarding the rapists. Were they US citizens?
 

JKing106

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She was probably walking around the base at 3:00 AM, in a halter top. I'll email Bill O'Reilly for the "facts."
 

fallout man

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Here's a link to my thread from over 100 years ago. Text

This is the follow-up on, what seems to be, the same exact case.

"GET INTO THE SHIPPING CONTAINER, WOMAN!"
 

dahunan

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LMAO.. they beennnnn raping your tax dollars for the last 20 years.. not like any gives a fuck..

they steal your tax dollars with good ol boy network no bid contracts .. AND THEN.. they position their headquarters in a country that will not have to pay USA taxes on all the money they stole..

You get what you allowed to happen.. fuck all dems or republicans or RPBots who allow H/KBR to grow stronger
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: dahunan
You get what you allowed to happen.. fuck all dems or republicans or RPBots who allow H/KBR to grow stronger

Haha, yeah, because RPbots are pro-war and pro-Halliburton. You're a fucking idiot like the rest of the anti-RP brigade around here. RP wants smaller government that can't afford to pay Halliburton tens of billions of dollars you fucking tool. It's you big government types who make this all possible you worthless dipshit liberal moron.


Whether you disagree or not, your response was totally out of proportion to what dahunan said. I realize political arguments encourage emotional responses, but try to keep things more civilized than that...especially if your target hasn't done anything to warrant that kind of attack.

Rainsford - P&N Moderator
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Arbitration shouldn't even enter the picture in a criminal case. Arbitration is for civil matters.

i agree. its disgusting that it happens.
 

Lemon law

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At the end of the day, its not totally disgusting that arbitration enters this criminal case, because they are too separate issues.

The perps themselves should, as criminals, be put in iron cages and fed bad food, as for the insensitive Halliburton execs who looked the other way, they should be fined both personally in terms of their liability, and Halliburton as a corporation should also be fined for being fool enough to hire the criminally culpable negligent for executives. And the victim should have the satisfaction of both monetary damages plus the satisfaction of seeing her rapists in the slammer for decades.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Those men are absolute fucking barbarians. The fact that Halliburton continued to employ and shield them is sickening.

Hey now, Halliburton is barbarian run.
 

ZeGermans

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she should have known how evil haliburton was and actively participated in the occupation and war crime of iraq. Getting raped is getting off easy.
 

miniMUNCH

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Originally posted by: ZeGermans
she should have known how evil haliburton was and actively participated in the occupation and war crime of iraq. Getting raped is getting off easy.

Um... getting raped is pretty horrible.

But i see what you are saying... if you willing to throw aside your ethical/morale basis for profit then don't be surprised with the egregious behavior that may come you way.

Still... justice is needed. Those men need to be tried and Haliburton needs to be tried as well.

 

tk149

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Signing away your rights is never a good thing. On the other hand, if the courts weren't so fvcked up (courtesy of the lawyers), there wouldn't be any need for arbitration.

Hope Jones gets her day in court.

 

herm0016

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this is messed up, the guys should be up on criminal charges. how can the us not have jurisdiction if they were on a base? I work for the "barbarians" and we do have a corporate arbitration thing we have to sign. i am going to guess she was working for kbr also, not halliburton, as halliburton is an oil services company only, and used to own kbr, which was spun off and is no longer part of halliburton. also, the company did not rape this woman, the men did, and those men should be prosecuted, as should anyone tampering with the evidence. a company has no right and should never have a right to levy criminal charges. I think whoever has jurisdiction over the area is the one that dropped the ball here. if someone was raped in a walmart is the company liable? how about someone raped at a green peace rally? is green peace the one who should get charged? on board a cruise ship?
 

Kwatt

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Originally posted by: herm0016
this is messed up, the guys should be up on criminal charges. how can the us not have jurisdiction if they were on a base? I work for the "barbarians" and we do have a corporate arbitration thing we have to sign. i am going to guess she was working for kbr also, not halliburton, as halliburton is an oil services company only, and used to own kbr, which was spun off and is no longer part of halliburton. also, the company did not rape this woman, the men did, and those men should be prosecuted, as should anyone tampering with the evidence. a company has no right and should never have a right to levy criminal charges. I think whoever has jurisdiction over the area is the one that dropped the ball here. if someone was raped in a walmart is the company liable? how about someone raped at a green peace rally? is green peace the one who should get charged? on board a cruise ship?


If the rapist's are employee's and the company/org. destroyed evidence and shielded the rapist's. As the claim here. Yes they should be liable.

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