Halliburton leaves, Democrats complain

Specop 007

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Rather ironic how the Democrats have railed against the oil companies and Halliburton complaining of unfair business practices, overcharging, price gouging and threatening to tax the ever loving hell out of them as soon as they get the chance.

What does Halliburton do? Move to Dubai. What do the Democrats do? Complain. Maybe those corporate tax breaks arent such a bad idea eh? Hard to tax a company if you piss them off and they leave. Democrats just HATE a successful profitable business.....Until the business decides to leave and they cant tax the hell out of them, THEN they want them to stay.

Well, theres some more tax revenue going overseas. Lets see how many other corporations the Democrats can tax out of the country. Wonder if this means they'll cut their prevcious social programs all us hard working people and successful business's pay for......

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Halliburton to open headquarters in Dubai
CEO will be based in new facility; move immediately sparks criticism

MANAMA/HOUSTON - U.S. oil services firm Halliburton Co. is moving its headquarters and chief executive to Dubai in a move that immediately sparked criticism from some U.S. politicians.

Texas-based Halliburton, which was led by Vice President Dick Cheney from 1995-2000, did not specify what, if any, tax implications the move might entail. It plans to list on a stock exchange in the Middle East once it moves to Dubai ? a booming commercial center in the Gulf. The company said it was making the moves to position itself better to gain contracts in the oil-rich Middle East.

?This is an insult to the U.S. soldiers and taxpayers who paid the tab for their no-bid contracts and endured their overcharges for all these years,? said judiciary committee chairman Sen. Patrick Leahy, a Vermont Democrat.

Rep. Henry Waxman, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, might hold a hearing on the implications, an aide to Waxman said.

Halliburton has drawn scrutiny from auditors, congressional Democrats and the Justice Department for the quality and pricing of its KBR Inc. unit?s work for the U.S. army in Iraq.

?My office will be in Dubai, and I will run our entire worldwide operations from that office,? Chief Executive David Lesar said at an energy conference in Bahrain on Sunday. ?Dubai is a great business center.?

Halliburton, which has long been involved in the Middle East, generated more than 38 percent of its $13 billion in oil-services revenue in the eastern hemisphere last year.

Middle East growth
?The company as a whole has continued to diversify internationally, and the Middle East is a point that they have targeted,? said William Sanchez, a U.S.-based analyst at Howard Weil Inc.

?They are being opportunistic in putting the CEO in the middle of the action.?

Sanchez said he believed Halliburton?s move to Dubai was not tax related. Instead he viewed it as a strategic play.

Alan Laws, an analyst at Merrill Lynch, said the move would likely help Halliburton?s position in negotiating large contracts.

Halliburton said it would maintain its legal registration in the United States and was not leaving Houston, where it was currently based.

But Lesar told reporters: ?At this point in time we clearly see there are greater opportunities in the eastern hemisphere than the western hemisphere.?

KBR, the engineering and military-services contractor unit that Halliburton is in the process of splitting off, is the Pentagon?s largest contractor in Iraq.

KBR has so far booked more than $20 billion in revenues from its work in Iraq and has been the target of several investigations into the company?s billing practices. It has also faced complaints from some U.S. lawmakers about the company?s close ties to the Bush administration.

Oil and gas service companies have raised prices for their services over the past two years as the sector strains to bring enough capacity on line to meet rapidly rising oil demand.

Many new supply projects are in the oil-producing countries of the Middle East, while Asia accounts for most of the rising demand.

In contrast, a slide in natural gas prices in the United States has prompted investor concerns that oil and gas companies might cut back spending in North America.

Lesar also said he expected the price of oil to stay above $40 a barrel, providing good conditions for future investment in the oil and gas industry.

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Specop 007


Well, theres some more tax revenue going overseas. Lets see how many other corporations the Democrats can tax out of the country. Wonder if this means they'll cut their prevcious social programs all us hard working people and successful business's pay for......

But then they would lose their base. They rely on keeping those people dependant on their promises and giveaway schemes.

 

blackangst1

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Excellent post. It's amazing how many people complain about companie's tax breaks until they say "screw this" and move out of country. This is going to have a HUGE negitive impact on our country, not to mention how people will be out work. Perhaps we should make our country more attractive for large corps instead of giving them reasons to leave.
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Excellent post. It's amazing how many people complain about companie's tax breaks until they say "screw this" and move out of country. This is going to have a HUGE negitive impact on our country, not to mention how people will be out work. Perhaps we should make our country more attractive for large corps instead of giving them reasons to leave.

No, they're moving there because it makes good business sense. No need for a government to cater to somebody that doesn't want to be around just so they can give them tax breaks. In that case, the gov't is better spending its money elsewhere to help those same people.
 

Thump553

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This is a company that lives, to a very large extent, off the public trough. ALL of us should be complaining when they move overseas, not just liberals or the remaining taxpayers of Houston.
 

BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Excellent post. It's amazing how many people complain about companie's tax breaks until they say "screw this" and move out of country. This is going to have a HUGE negitive impact on our country, not to mention how people will be out work. Perhaps we should make our country more attractive for large corps instead of giving them reasons to leave.

We should bring back sweatshops and child labor.

 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Excellent post. It's amazing how many people complain about companie's tax breaks until they say "screw this" and move out of country. This is going to have a HUGE negitive impact on our country, not to mention how people will be out work. Perhaps we should make our country more attractive for large corps instead of giving them reasons to leave.

No, they're moving there because it makes good business sense. No need for a government to cater to somebody that doesn't want to be around just so they can give them tax breaks. In that case, the gov't is better spending its money elsewhere to help those same people.

The government doesnt "cater" to them.
Tax breaks are NOT free handouts. Tax breaks are getting to KEEP what you (or the corp) has EARNED.

Why TAX BREAKS are viewed as free handouts are beyond me. It isnt like a .gov cuts a check for 2 billion and says "Here you go!". Rather, the .gov says "Hey, you know that 5 billion you owe us. Go ahead and keep 2 billion and just give us 3".
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Excellent post. It's amazing how many people complain about companie's tax breaks until they say "screw this" and move out of country. This is going to have a HUGE negitive impact on our country, not to mention how people will be out work. Perhaps we should make our country more attractive for large corps instead of giving them reasons to leave.

We should bring back sweatshops and child labor.


:confused:
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Thump553
This is a company that lives, to a very large extent, off the public trough. ALL of us should be complaining when they move overseas, not just liberals or the remaining taxpayers of Houston.

Then maybe our government should do more to persuade companies to come here or stay here. Threatening to tax away all their tax breaks and tax the hell out of them on top of it doesnt seem very business friendly to me.

But, its no secret Democrats hate capitalism. The brave ones will even tell you they hate it and but they NEED the businesses to make their system run.

Ironic eh? Talk about biting the hand that feeds......
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Thump553
This is a company that lives, to a very large extent, off the public trough. ALL of us should be complaining when they move overseas, not just liberals or the remaining taxpayers of Houston.

Then maybe our government should do more to persuade companies to come here or stay here. Threatening to tax away all their tax breaks and tax the hell out of them on top of it doesnt seem very business friendly to me.

But, its no secret Democrats hate capitalism. The brave ones will even tell you they hate it and but they NEED the businesses to make their system run.

Ironic eh? Talk about biting the hand that feeds......

You're thinking is extreme. Hate is such a strong word.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Thump553
This is a company that lives, to a very large extent, off the public trough. ALL of us should be complaining when they move overseas, not just liberals or the remaining taxpayers of Houston.

Then maybe our government should do more to persuade companies to come here or stay here. Threatening to tax away all their tax breaks and tax the hell out of them on top of it doesnt seem very business friendly to me.

But, its no secret Democrats hate capitalism. The brave ones will even tell you they hate it and but they NEED the businesses to make their system run.

Ironic eh? Talk about biting the hand that feeds......

You're thinking is extreme. Hate is such a strong word.

Be that as it may, its also true. Democrats despise free markets and capitalism. They truly loath it. And yet its the very stsem they need in place to run their own "We're all equal" programs.
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Thump553
This is a company that lives, to a very large extent, off the public trough. ALL of us should be complaining when they move overseas, not just liberals or the remaining taxpayers of Houston.

Then maybe our government should do more to persuade companies to come here or stay here. Threatening to tax away all their tax breaks and tax the hell out of them on top of it doesnt seem very business friendly to me.

But, its no secret Democrats hate capitalism. The brave ones will even tell you they hate it and but they NEED the businesses to make their system run.

Ironic eh? Talk about biting the hand that feeds......

You're thinking is extreme. Hate is such a strong word.

Be that as it may, its also true. Democrats despise free markets and capitalism. They truly loath it. And yet its the very stsem they need in place to run their own "We're all equal" programs.

You must be giving your opinion, otherwise that would count as lying.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Thump553
This is a company that lives, to a very large extent, off the public trough. ALL of us should be complaining when they move overseas, not just liberals or the remaining taxpayers of Houston.

Then maybe our government should do more to persuade companies to come here or stay here. Threatening to tax away all their tax breaks and tax the hell out of them on top of it doesnt seem very business friendly to me.

But, its no secret Democrats hate capitalism. The brave ones will even tell you they hate it and but they NEED the businesses to make their system run.

Ironic eh? Talk about biting the hand that feeds......

You're thinking is extreme. Hate is such a strong word.

Be that as it may, its also true. Democrats despise free markets and capitalism. They truly loath it. And yet its the very stsem they need in place to run their own "We're all equal" programs.

You must be giving your opinion, otherwise that would count as lying.

Dont tell me, tell the Democrats.

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton
 

RightIsWrong

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Does this mean that Halliburton is no longer able to do any government work?

After all, they are now a foreign company and our glorious president has stated many, many times on many different occasions that he will not entrust the security of America or American interests to foreign companies.

This is just another case of corporate greed run amok. They care not for those that have helped create their wealth (the American population). They only care for how much more money they can scam from the American public and skim off the top of the no-bid contract and into their personal accounts.

But then, maybe I am just being cynical? I mean, with all of the billions missing in Iraq and the investigations that have shown time and time again that Halliburton has overcharged the government....I'm sure that there are dozens of other reasons could they have for moving headquarters to a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US. :roll:
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Topic Title: Halliburton leaves, Democrats complain

Awesome, a sign that the Republicans are losing their stranglegold on Texas and the Country. :thumbsup:


Yea, screw all those people that are going to lose their job. At least you and your heroes are more than ready to take my money and give it to the unemployed. They will probably start voting Democrat.
 

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Excellent post. It's amazing how many people complain about companie's tax breaks until they say "screw this" and move out of country. This is going to have a HUGE negitive impact on our country, not to mention how people will be out work. Perhaps we should make our country more attractive for large corps instead of giving them reasons to leave.

We should bring back sweatshops and child labor.

and Chrysler...

Do you SQUAWK like other parrots?
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Topic Title: Halliburton leaves, Democrats complain

Awesome, a sign that the Republicans are losing their stranglegold on Texas and the Country. :thumbsup:

You know, all CoC stuff aside your about the dimmest bulb in the box without a doubt. Could you at least PRETEND to understand how governments work? You and your precious "steal for the rich to support the poor" party are about to lose a huge source of taxable income, not counting all those who will be without a job.

But it just supports my opinion that Democrats want to ruin this country and the cost to do so be damned.
 

BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Topic Title: Halliburton leaves, Democrats complain

Awesome, a sign that the Republicans are losing their stranglegold on Texas and the Country. :thumbsup:


Yea, screw all those people that are going to lose their job. At least you and your heroes are more than ready to take my money and give it to the unemployed. They will probably start voting Democrat.

In the grand scheme of things, you are just a peasent.

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Topic Title: Halliburton leaves, Democrats complain

Awesome, a sign that the Republicans are losing their stranglegold on Texas and the Country. :thumbsup:


Yea, screw all those people that are going to lose their job. At least you and your heroes are more than ready to take my money and give it to the unemployed. They will probably start voting Democrat.

In the grand scheme of things, you are just a peasent.

What in the world are you talking about? Your two posts in this thread have made absolutely no sense. I guess you are still waiting on feedback from moveon.org, then you can copy and paste some responses to this board.

 

Jaskalas

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Our companies flee because we are hostile to them. I wonder then who we?re going to collect taxes from?

Watch and learn the effects of a mass exodus from California, and realize the same thing could happen to the nation if we continue down the socialist path.
 

DaveSimmons

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Well, theres some more tax revenue going overseas. Lets see how many other corporations the Democrats can tax out of the country.

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Middle East growth
?The company as a whole has continued to diversify internationally, and the Middle East is a point that they have targeted,? said William Sanchez, a U.S.-based analyst at Howard Weil Inc. ?They are being opportunistic in putting the CEO in the middle of the action.?

Sanchez said he believed Halliburton?s move to Dubai was not tax related. Instead he viewed it as a strategic play.

Halliburton said it would maintain its legal registration in the United States and was not leaving Houston, where it was currently based.
It doesn't seem like the professionals agree with you.
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Topic Title: Halliburton leaves, Democrats complain

Awesome, a sign that the Republicans are losing their stranglegold on Texas and the Country. :thumbsup:

You know, all CoC stuff aside your about the dimmest bulb in the box without a doubt. Could you at least PRETEND to understand how governments work? You and your precious "steal for the rich to support the poor" party are about to lose a huge source of taxable income, not counting all those who will be without a job.

But it just supports my opinion that Democrats want to ruin this country and the cost to do so be damned.

I think that there are some things about govt that you don't understand either. The first and foremost is that neither party has a exclusive stranglehold on wanting to ruin this country.

You look at two sides and only see the one that you want to see. You don't see that the Repubs catering to the fringe fun-duh-mental-ists are doing just as much damage to the country and have been on a direct path to eroding essential rights of the citizens of this country.

The dems are going about things in a lot of wrong manners as well....but given the choice, I would rather have their method. Halliburton is not going to abandon the US even if their post office box hq in Dubai makes you think that it will. They will still continue to suck off the public teet and will still contribute to the economic structure of our country via taxes on profits earned in the US (unless you and the other righties claiming doom and gloom think that they will just close every US presence that they have here now??) but they should loose some of the subsidies that they were getting on a state and federal level making it closer to a wash than any chance of us getting our full rights re-implemented.
 

ebaycj

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Dont tell me, tell the Democrats.

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton

Or the Republicans:

"We're going to take freedoms and rights away from you on behalf of the common good" - USA PATRIOT Act
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Dont tell me, tell the Democrats.

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton

Or the Republicans:

"We're going to take freedoms and rights away from you on behalf of the common good" - USA PATRIOT Act

Making stuff up are we? interesting, and expected.