Half of Michigan's Republican senators vote to retain ban on cohabitation by unmarried couples

Perknose

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File this under, "You Can't Make This Stuff Up!"

"Just when you think they can’t get more extreme and ridiculous, Republicans will come up with something new that simply astonishes. A Michigan law enacted in 1931 makes it a crime for unmarried couples to live together."

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"So the real objection is that allowing unmarried couples who have dependents (such as their partners) to claim tax benefits because of their status is somehow a bad thing. Never mind that those tax benefits may—and probably will—help the unmarried couple raise children, should they choose to have them."

^^^ "Effing asswipes" is my comment on this.
 

Jaskalas

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See, while I have strong disagreements on some policy issues with Democrats, it is !@#$ like this that will make me vote for them every single time.
 
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Exterous

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Fortunately the bill to remove the law passed 29-9 despite those republicans. I'm hoping for more progress like that since all three branches have a democrat majority
 

brycejones

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File this under, "You Can't Make This Stuff Up!"

"Just when you think they can’t get more extreme and ridiculous, Republicans will come up with something new that simply astonishes. A Michigan law enacted in 1931 makes it a crime for unmarried couples to live together."

[...]

"So the real objection is that allowing unmarried couples who have dependents (such as their partners) to claim tax benefits because of their status is somehow a bad thing. Never mind that those tax benefits may—and probably will—help the unmarried couple raise children, should they choose to have them."

^^^ "Effing asswipes" is my comment on this.
The state should have the power to prosecute you for living together from the party of checks notes “Small government and freedom”

Or put another way government should be small enough to fit under the sheets did your bed.
 

zinfamous

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these regressive simpletons should never have been allowed anywhere near public office. This disease of religious white fanaticism must be purged from the US. It is incompatible with human life.
 

Indus

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Fasciligion in your bedroom!!!!

Are you really surprise the party of the elephant is trying to trample on human beings?
 

Moonbeam

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these regressive simpletons should never have been allowed anywhere near public office. This disease of religious white fanaticism must be purged from the US. It is incompatible with human life.
Well, there is a problem with that. Both the corruption of religion that should have fixed racism if properly realized and thus racism itself have the same cause and one, if neither religion or racism were a problem, would still corrupt everything else.

The source of all evil in the world is self hate. How can we heal that when we deny it is the source of the problems we face.

Religion, the purpose of which was to treat others like we would be treated won't work because we use it as a pretense. "I must deny how I treat others because I can't ever allow myself to see how I treat myself. I am a racist so I can make the claim that I am better than someone else."

There are two roads before us in my opinion. We wake up or we go extinct. You can see the popular choice in this forum when the facts are laid out.
 

Vic

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Small govt conservatives want the govt to be able to control who you choose to live with.
 

Vic

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Well, there is a problem with that. Both the corruption of religion that should have fixed racism if properly realized and thus racism itself have the same cause and one, if neither religion or racism were a problem, would still corrupt everything else.

The source of all evil in the world is self hate. How can we heal that when we deny it is the source of the problems we face.

Religion, the purpose of which was to treat others like we would be treated won't work because we use it as a pretense. "I must deny how I treat others because I can't ever allow myself to see how I treat myself. I am a racist so I can make the claim that I am better than someone else."

There are two roads before us in my opinion. We wake up or we go extinct. You can see the popular choice in this forum when the facts are laid out.
For some reason I can't quite understand why we're supposed to care about that how psychopaths treat others is a reflection on how they treat themselves.
In my opinion, their racism and bigotry is not the result of self-hatred but a lack of self-awareness. In order for hatred of others to be indicative of self-hatred requires the self-awareness that others are like oneself. And that is the last thing these bigots have.
Quite the opposite, their bigotry requires the assumption that others are not like them, that they are somehow subhuman, and thus worthy of whatever evil they see befit.
 

Moonbeam

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For some reason I can't quite understand why we're supposed to care about that how psychopaths treat others is a reflection on how they treat themselves.
In my opinion, their racism and bigotry is not the result of self-hatred but a lack of self-awareness. In order for hatred of others to be indicative of self-hatred requires the self-awareness that others are like oneself. And that is the last thing these bigots have.
Quite the opposite, their bigotry requires the assumption that others are not like them, that they are somehow subhuman, and thus worthy of whatever evil they see befit.
Wow, I am in shock and am in no condition to attempt to answer your question and address your viewpoint until I get that matter off my chest first. I think I just read an intelligently presented point of view and a seriously curious question and that's it. No accusation as to how stupid I must be to think as I do, no deflections no guile or cunning, just a request for an explanation. Thank you for that.

The first thought I have regards projection. According to my understanding of the nature of psychological projection it consists of seeing in others feelings that you yourself and not the other person is feeling, and blaming them as awful people for feeling those feelings at the same time. Thieves see other people as thieves and radiate suspicion. Liars believe others are not saying the truth, that they are deceptive. But they do this unaware that it who they are themselves that they see in others, no? So the psychopaths you mentioned above would treat others in ways that would express how worthless they are because they were exposed to that treatment themselves, as what make the psychopaths. So those who were made to feel worthless treat others as if they were without any awareness they feel worthless themselves. The delusion that the other is what he is is a protection mechanism, a way to project one's hidden and unconscious self hate onto others who thus become your own target of hate.

If you prefer to think of the problem as a lack of self awareness that is fine by me but what they are unaware of is that what they hate in others is what they were taught to hate in themselves. But the important point is that what we were taught is a lie. We were never actually worthless. It was a lie we believe. So awareness is the door out but nobody will open it because we hate ourselves and we feel we deserve it. We bought the lie under great pain and to undo it we will feel that pain again.

The reason we believe the other is not like us is because we are unaware that the reason we hate them is because we project they are actually exactly like how we are and will not see. All hate is self hate so stop hating because all hate is based on a lie that something is wrong with us. That and that alone is what is wrong with us.

As children we were put down. We learned to think in language, to name and to evaluate, discriminate, judge, and compare. All of that is colored by memories of the past, are we good are we bad, all connected and long forgotten by associations of pleasure and pain with words. What is the conscious state we were in before we could speak and think? Weren't we our genetic potential being, unrealized and replaced to an ego thinking programmed machine?

I hope this helps. Paradox appears as truth is revealed, I believe.
 

MrSquished

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Moonbeam loves guns to defend ourselves, but he will die trying to talk to horrible people insisting that he can talk sense into their self-hate while they string up his family and neighbors or put them in concentration camps. He has no idea how to defend ourselves because he doesn't even know the enemy.