Halal Meat

[SP33Demon]

I'm talking straight from the butcher, how does it taste? I heard it's healthier by the way it's raised/killed, but don't know much about it.

 

[Howard]

Never had it, but it should be the same.

 

[Baked]

No, but I love pork chops.

 

[JeepinEd]

I have Muslim friends. When I have them over for dinner, I always buy Halal meat. Don't really taste much of a difference, though.

 

[zoiks]

Almost the same. Basically with Halal meat, the blood is drained first. I haven't found any differences in the taste. Halal is the muslim way of dispatching an animal for human consumption.

 

[nakedfrog]

I tried some goat meat. It was alright, I think I would have liked it better with a different sauce or something.

 

[Blieb]

I thought this said "haiti meat" ... and I thought ... oh hell naw!

 

[Kadarin]

I haven't specifically had it, but it probably tastes a lot like non-Halal meat.

 

[0roo0roo]

watch some butchering methods...its not fun to watch.
yea instead of a shot to the head they get their throats cut while conscious and bleed out because of superstition
its stupid is what it is.

 

[LS21]

on airlines if you request halal or kosher food in advance you'll typically get way better stuff than whats served to everyone else

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
watch some butchering methods...its not fun to watch.
yea instead of a shot to the head they get their throats cut while conscious and bleed out because of superstition
its stupid is what it is.

Not really unless you have something against Muslims which I know that you do per your prior hate comments that you've keenly said from time to time.

The animal is dispatched in order to reduce its suffering by disconnecting its nerves so the cut has to be very swift and a very sharp knife is used.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
watch some butchering methods...its not fun to watch.
yea instead of a shot to the head they get their throats cut while conscious and bleed out because of superstition
its stupid is what it is.

Not really unless you have something against Muslims which I know that you do per your prior hate comments that you've keenly said from time to time.

The animal is dispatched in order to reduce its suffering by disconnecting its nerves so the cut has to be very swift and a very sharp knife is used.

thats bullsh*t and you know it. the only reason its the method used is because of simple superstition. and yes i don't like religion in general. let alone when its used to justify an arbitrary butchering technique as holy. it is about as irrational as it gets.

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
watch some butchering methods...its not fun to watch.
yea instead of a shot to the head they get their throats cut while conscious and bleed out because of superstition
its stupid is what it is.

Not really unless you have something against Muslims which I know that you do per your prior hate comments that you've keenly said from time to time.

The animal is dispatched in order to reduce its suffering by disconnecting its nerves so the cut has to be very swift and a very sharp knife is used.

thats bullsh*t and you know it. the only reason its the method used is because of simple superstition. and yes i don't like religion in general. let alone when its used to justify an arbitrary butchering technique as holy. it is about as irrational as it gets.

Oh. I've seen you single out Muslims and Islam in your slanderous posts. Don't play coy.
And to answer your question, it's not bullshit. That's what its used for and it's done for the animals benefit to inflict as little pain as possible. A prayer is said right before it's dispatched for taking the life of an animal (god's creature) for human consumption. Obviously you don't want to be wrong so I can understand your angst. But you can go and bang your head against the wall for all I care.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
watch some butchering methods...its not fun to watch.
yea instead of a shot to the head they get their throats cut while conscious and bleed out because of superstition
its stupid is what it is.

Not really unless you have something against Muslims which I know that you do per your prior hate comments that you've keenly said from time to time.

The animal is dispatched in order to reduce its suffering by disconnecting its nerves so the cut has to be very swift and a very sharp knife is used.

thats bullsh*t and you know it. the only reason its the method used is because of simple superstition. and yes i don't like religion in general. let alone when its used to justify an arbitrary butchering technique as holy. it is about as irrational as it gets.

It's not bullshit. That's what its used for. It's done for the animals benefit. Obviously you don't want to be wrong so I can understand your angst. But you can go and bang your head against the wall for all I care.

its holding onto old ways because of irrationality. animals benefit? who are you kidding, they limit the methods because of some text written ages back when people knew jacksh*t about anything instead of adopting newer more humane methods. its the very definition of unthinking bullsh*t that only gets by because people cover it under the shroud of religion. obviously you don't want to think which is why you defend such nonsense. and thats religion for you, it encourages exactly that, followers who can't think for themselves, just following blindly because something was written somewhere and was claimed holy.

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
watch some butchering methods...its not fun to watch.
yea instead of a shot to the head they get their throats cut while conscious and bleed out because of superstition
its stupid is what it is.

Not really unless you have something against Muslims which I know that you do per your prior hate comments that you've keenly said from time to time.

The animal is dispatched in order to reduce its suffering by disconnecting its nerves so the cut has to be very swift and a very sharp knife is used.

thats bullsh*t and you know it. the only reason its the method used is because of simple superstition. and yes i don't like religion in general. let alone when its used to justify an arbitrary butchering technique as holy. it is about as irrational as it gets.

It's not bullshit. That's what its used for. It's done for the animals benefit. Obviously you don't want to be wrong so I can understand your angst. But you can go and bang your head against the wall for all I care.

its holding onto old ways because of irrationality. animals benefit? who are you kidding, they limit the methods because of some text written ages back when people knew jacksh*t about anything instead of adopting newer more humane methods. its the very definition of unthinking bullsh*t that only gets by because people cover it under the shroud of religion. obviously you don't want to think which is why you defend such nonsense. and thats religion for you, it encourages exactly that, followers who can't think for themselves, just following blindly because something was written somewhere and was claimed holy.

You can breed and teach your kids that but obviously you don't know what having faith is all about.

 

[BassBomb]

its almost all i eat...

but when im out at resturants im too lazy to look or pay more for halal and I eat regular beef/chicken...... tastes the same to me

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
watch some butchering methods...its not fun to watch.
yea instead of a shot to the head they get their throats cut while conscious and bleed out because of superstition
its stupid is what it is.

Not really unless you have something against Muslims which I know that you do per your prior hate comments that you've keenly said from time to time.

The animal is dispatched in order to reduce its suffering by disconnecting its nerves so the cut has to be very swift and a very sharp knife is used.

thats bullsh*t and you know it. the only reason its the method used is because of simple superstition. and yes i don't like religion in general. let alone when its used to justify an arbitrary butchering technique as holy. it is about as irrational as it gets.

It's not bullshit. That's what its used for. It's done for the animals benefit. Obviously you don't want to be wrong so I can understand your angst. But you can go and bang your head against the wall for all I care.

its holding onto old ways because of irrationality. animals benefit? who are you kidding, they limit the methods because of some text written ages back when people knew jacksh*t about anything instead of adopting newer more humane methods. its the very definition of unthinking bullsh*t that only gets by because people cover it under the shroud of religion. obviously you don't want to think which is why you defend such nonsense. and thats religion for you, it encourages exactly that, followers who can't think for themselves, just following blindly because something was written somewhere and was claimed holy.

You can breed and teach your kids that but obviously you don't know what having faith is all about.

lol faith... its one thing if you want to claim that your ancestors claimed that wearing a funny that or something was the best thing ever. its another thing if you claim that you got holy instructions on animal preparation from a time when people knew sh*t about anything and blindly follow it.

to paraphrase chris rock...When you live in the desert and don't have a fridge, a pork chop could kill you. ...

we know better now.

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
watch some butchering methods...its not fun to watch.
yea instead of a shot to the head they get their throats cut while conscious and bleed out because of superstition
its stupid is what it is.

Not really unless you have something against Muslims which I know that you do per your prior hate comments that you've keenly said from time to time.

The animal is dispatched in order to reduce its suffering by disconnecting its nerves so the cut has to be very swift and a very sharp knife is used.

thats bullsh*t and you know it. the only reason its the method used is because of simple superstition. and yes i don't like religion in general. let alone when its used to justify an arbitrary butchering technique as holy. it is about as irrational as it gets.

It's not bullshit. That's what its used for. It's done for the animals benefit. Obviously you don't want to be wrong so I can understand your angst. But you can go and bang your head against the wall for all I care.

its holding onto old ways because of irrationality. animals benefit? who are you kidding, they limit the methods because of some text written ages back when people knew jacksh*t about anything instead of adopting newer more humane methods. its the very definition of unthinking bullsh*t that only gets by because people cover it under the shroud of religion. obviously you don't want to think which is why you defend such nonsense. and thats religion for you, it encourages exactly that, followers who can't think for themselves, just following blindly because something was written somewhere and was claimed holy.

You can breed and teach your kids that but obviously you don't know what having faith is all about.

lol faith... its one thing if you want to claim that your ancestors claimed that wearing a funny that or something was the best thing ever. its another thing if you claim that you got holy instructions on animal preparation from a time when people knew sh*t about anything and blindly follow it.

to paraphrase chris rock...When you live in the desert and don't have a fridge, a pork chop could kill you. ...

we know better now.

Maybe you should go worship Chris Rock since obviously you have no concept of what faith really is.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
watch some butchering methods...its not fun to watch.
yea instead of a shot to the head they get their throats cut while conscious and bleed out because of superstition
its stupid is what it is.

Not really unless you have something against Muslims which I know that you do per your prior hate comments that you've keenly said from time to time.

The animal is dispatched in order to reduce its suffering by disconnecting its nerves so the cut has to be very swift and a very sharp knife is used.

thats bullsh*t and you know it. the only reason its the method used is because of simple superstition. and yes i don't like religion in general. let alone when its used to justify an arbitrary butchering technique as holy. it is about as irrational as it gets.

It's not bullshit. That's what its used for. It's done for the animals benefit. Obviously you don't want to be wrong so I can understand your angst. But you can go and bang your head against the wall for all I care.

its holding onto old ways because of irrationality. animals benefit? who are you kidding, they limit the methods because of some text written ages back when people knew jacksh*t about anything instead of adopting newer more humane methods. its the very definition of unthinking bullsh*t that only gets by because people cover it under the shroud of religion. obviously you don't want to think which is why you defend such nonsense. and thats religion for you, it encourages exactly that, followers who can't think for themselves, just following blindly because something was written somewhere and was claimed holy.

You can breed and teach your kids that but obviously you don't know what having faith is all about.

lol faith... its one thing if you want to claim that your ancestors claimed that wearing a funny that or something was the best thing ever. its another thing if you claim that you got holy instructions on animal preparation from a time when people knew sh*t about anything and blindly follow it.

to paraphrase chris rock...When you live in the desert and don't have a fridge, a pork chop could kill you. ...

we know better now.

Maybe you should go worship Chris Rock since obviously you have no concept of what faith really is.

when thats all you have to say you know you've shut off reason long ago. you know very well its some arbitrary nonsense written about food prep long ago and simply claimed as holy to control the population..and it has no special importance beyond that. i guess you are just another sheep. it has nothing to do with faith, but simply controlling people by claiming this or that is the right thing..why? because god said so..

 

[StevenYoo]

I go to the Halal Chicken and Rice cart on 53rd St and 6th Ave in NYC.

IT'S THE BEST.

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo


when thats all you have to say you know you've shut off reason long ago. you know very well its some arbitrary nonsense written about food prep long ago and simply claimed as holy to control the population..and it has no special importance beyond that. i guess you are just another sheep. it has nothing to do with faith, but simply controlling people by claiming this or that is the right thing..why? because god said so..

I wasn't there so I wouldn't know. But I'll tell you what I think. I think that you probably ought to leave people and their beliefs alone if you disagree with them. Even if you're not religious, you'd know that would be the honorable thing to do.

 

[magomago]

I like it. Tastes exschellent...but regular meat tastes similar anyways. However, being a pooooooor one I can't afford it a lot. I get it mainly when I go to Anaheim to get some Arab food. I also had some Tandoori Chicken Saturday night at a graduation party for my friend. When cooked right its awesome.

This whole 'inhumane bla bla bla' b.s. isn't true. What I find interesting is that somehow stunning cows and chopping off their heads in grotesque methods with cuts that often are never clean is somehow more inhumane than reciting a short poem and giving thanks to the animal for its meat followed by a swift and quick cut to let the blood drain ASAP. As much as we hate PETA, they reveal some pretty barbaric stuff. Doing some quick searches brings up this relevant case where Germany's Supreme Court allows Halal meat
http://www.mustaqim.co.uk/halalstudy.htm
http://www.bundesverfassungsge...0115_1bvr178399en.html

The investigations had the following results:



a) For slaughter by ritual cut:

1. After the bloodletting cut the EEG initially is the same as the EEG before the cut. There is a high probability that the loss of reaction took place within 4 ? 6 seconds for sheep and within 10 seconds for calves.

2. The zero line in the EEG was recorded no later than after 13 seconds for 17 sheep and no later than 23 seconds for 7 calves.

3. Thermal pain stimuli did not cause an increase in activity.

4. After the cut the heart frequency rose for calves within 40 seconds to 240 heart actions per minute and for sheep within 40 seconds to 280 heart actions per minute.



b) For slaughter after captive bolt application:

1. After captive bolt stunning all animals displayed most severe general disturbances (waves of 1-2 Hz) in the EEG, which almost with certainty eliminates a sense of pain.

2. The zero line in the EEG was reached for 4 calves after 28 seconds.

3. For two sheep the cerebral cortex activity only stopped in one half of the brain, whilst it continued in the other in the ?region (up to 3.5 Hz) until the bloodletting cut.

4. The bloodletting cut resulted for all animals in a brain activity (e and d waves).

5. Thermal pain stimuli caused an increase in activity in one sheep.

6. The heart frequency rose directly after stunning to values above 300 actions per minute.



In summary the following conclusions are possible:



1. Slaughter after captive bolt stunning



A. Calves

After captive bolt stunning most severe general disturbances (waves of 1-2 Hz) occurred in the EEG, which almost with certainty eliminates a sense of pain.



B. Sheep

Similar disturbances were also seen in sheep, but besides the somewhat higher frequency there are still clearly superimposed waves. For one animal waves could be recorded after pain stimuli until after the 200th second. Apparent cramps were registered for all sheep with the exception of one animal.



2. Slaughter in the form of ritual cut



A. Calves

After the bloodletting cut loss of reaction (loss of consciousness) occurred with high probability within 10 seconds. A clear reaction to the cut could not be detected in any animal. For 7 animals a zero EEG was recorded no later than after 23 seconds. Cramps occurred in the animals regularly only after the brain currents had stopped.



B. Sheep

After the bloodletting cut loss of reaction (loss of consciousness) occurred after 10 seconds the latest. A clear reaction to the cut could not be detected in any animal. The zero line was recorded no later than 14 seconds after the cut. Cramps only occurred after the zero line had been detected and were much shorter than after captive bolt stunning.



The slaughter in the form of ritual cut is, if carried out properly, painless in sheep and calves according to the EEG recordings and the missing defensive actions.

Speaking of which, when I was in Sudan, I was able to witness several instances of the Halal Process. We went to the sheep farmer, bought the sheep, put it in the truck with us (I was in the back petting it to keep relaxed), had a guy preform it, and then in front of us completely cut out all the meat and intestines, and then take the skin as a 'payment' for his work.
We'd think that they engage in a long ritiual prayer before they cut it. Not really. In all three times that I saw it, the meat butcher, right before he cut the throat, quickly said one of the three things, "There is no God but God" "There is no God but God, and Mohammed is God's Prophet" "In the name of God, the most gracious, the most merciful". Took a few seconds, and then the blood letting came out.

 

[0roo0roo]

lol, you bring that up as if it means something, they are so politically correct in germany would you expect them to rule against kosher or halal butchering? give me a break. it goes far beyond any reason when you claim it is a holy way of butchering, never mind the attempts to rationalize it after that.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
lol, you bring that up as if it means something, they are so politically correct in germany would you expect them to rule against kosher or halal butchering? give me a break. it goes far beyond any reason when you claim it is a holy way of butchering, never mind the attempts to rationalize it after that.

Oh brother. Listen, if its scientifically proven to minimize harm and pain against animals I'm fine with it (seems you are ignoring that part entirely).
If it encourages us to really appreciate what we have I'm fine with it.

Halal Meat establishes both, and thus I'm fine with it. I'm also fine with Kosher.

Your problem is that it has to be a method that comes from religion. If this came out from any 'secular' methods with the exact same accompanied scientific evidence you probably wouldn't be bitching.

You clearly have a problem with other people's lives.

Remeber this topic title: "Have you tried Halal Meat, and is it any good?" and you immediately took it and jumped into some warped sense of screaming 'irrationality!!! INHUMANE!!!!' when it is indeed a humane method.

 

[0roo0roo]

captive bolt is simply superior, in the vast majority of cases it renders the animal instantly unconscious before the throat is slit. the idea that because its imperfect its better that all animals be conscious as their necks are cut open is a stupid idea. to limit your options in such a matter because of superstition is not justifiable. this isn't something frivolous like wearing this or that trinket because god told you to.