HAHA told ya it was safe intel 2400 ddr3 ram specs :)

[apoppin]

you cant have a technical discussion with him or toyota they just bait for a huge argument and bring up things that have no say in the argument.

like ohh yaa screw that I dont want to runs fans on my ram,its way over priced compaired to 1333 ram and there is no performance gain going to it when we are talking about 1.65 volts being safe or not.

Who is frying bacon and coming up with *ridiculous* non-arguments


To the Intel rep. You can point to all the FAQs you want but unless this is *clearly* stated on your site along with the CPU info, you will lose in court as the court always sides with the consumer (now). The consumer gets the benefit of any doubt.

Do your company a favor and nip relatively small issues in the bud. Pass this thread on to your lawyers and they will tell you how to fix it for Intel.

Here is what is in the small print:

Intel recommends using memory that adheres to the Jedec memory specification for DDR3 memory which is 1.5 volts, plus or minus 5%. Anything over this voltage can either damage the processor or significantly reduce the processor life span

It doesn't mention that intel's PARTNERS advertise 1.65v RAM that also adheres to the Jedec memory spec for DDR3; nor is any warranty denial mentioned - just what overvoltage "can do"

If you really want to get the word out, contact your partners, blog about it, and strengthen the wording of your "recommendations". Tech forums are dying. 😛

 

[SlowSpyder]

So you have 1 guy with 1.8 volts and another with 1.65 volts.How do we know that they didnt run 1.6 volts on the vcore and were pushing for 6ghz when there chips died?

Geez man...

 

[blackened23]

edit: duplicate

 

[waffleironhead]

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/gaming-computers/intel-extreme-memory-profile-xmp.html

Assuming a customer, who is not an expert user, who never manually change specific parameters for personalized fine-tuning, is subjected to have their warranty of their Intel® Core™ i7 Processors (1st and 2nd Generations) voided upon use. Sorry, but I don't see that in the page, not even fine prints.

Its at the bottom. look closer. Use of XMP is not warrantied. The pdf of memory compatible with XMP is thus also not warrantied.

I cant see why there is any dispute here.

 

[waffleironhead]

So is this 1.65v memory ddr3 1066 or 1333?

http://ark.intel.com/products/52210/Intel-Core-i5-2500K-Processor-%286M-Cache-3_30-GHz)

It looks like its neither its ddr3 2400. Hmm. definitely outside of the warranty.

 

[Diogenes2]

Where in the CPU warranty does it say that using other than1066/1333 memory will void the warranty ?

 

[waffleironhead]

Where in the CPU warranty does it say that using other than1066/1333 memory will void the warranty ?

it falls under this part

"any Product which has been modified or operated outside of Intel’s publicly available specifications"

http://download.intel.com/support/processors/sb/english_3yr_warranty.pdf

intels specifications call for 1066 or 1333, not 2400.

Is memory 1066 or 1333? no. warranty denied.

 

[Diogenes2]

The spec sheet you reference, contradicts the Intel XMP compatability chart .. ( publicly available specifications )

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us.../core-i7-memory-suppliers-0811-datasheet.html

"First boot" with default JEDEC setting on a platform that supports DDR3 standard JEDEC specification (your standard DDR3 memory frequencies), ensuring base functionality. Then user can enter BIOS and manually change settings or use the Windows*-based Intel® Extreme Tuning Utility."

I think this would make a pretty case for anyone talking to Intel tech support. And as was mentioned, it would be pretty good in front of a judge, also ...

 

[waffleironhead]

The spec sheet you reference, contradicts the Intel XMP compatability chart .. ( publicly available specifications )

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us.../core-i7-memory-suppliers-0811-datasheet.html

I think this would make a pretty case for anyone talking to Intel tech support. And as was mentioned, it would be pretty good in front of a judge, also ...

But, the use of XMP invalidates the warranty.

Intel: sir, use of XMP invalidates your warranty. Here on this page. "Extreme memory profile for OVERCLOCKING" (overclocking? oh, warranty denied) http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/gaming-computers/intel-extreme-memory-profile-xmp.html
customer: I'm ok with that. What memory is compatible with XMP.
intel: Here this list: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us.../core-i7-memory-suppliers-0811-datasheet.html

It looks like we are just going to keep going in circles here. Use of XMP is for overclocking the cpu, the memory also overvolts the CPU. This is a double void of the warranty. Maybe the two cancel each other out. 😀

edit: added link

 

[blackened23]

The spec sheet you reference, contradicts the Intel XMP compatability chart .. ( publicly available specifications )

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us.../core-i7-memory-suppliers-0811-datasheet.html

I think this would make a pretty case for anyone talking to Intel tech support. And as was mentioned, it would be pretty good in front of a judge, also ...

In front of a judge. Nothing against you, but I think you would get laughed at if you ever tried to levy any type of litigation against intel. The first scenario and the most likely is small claims. First of all, the costs associated with filing a small claims case is greater than the cost of the actual product itself - and the paperwork that you have to file is a nightmare. I was forced to do a small claims case a few years back and its not something i'd ever want to repeat - its a pain in the neck. Also, the small claims judge can throw the case out for whatever reason he sees fit. Did you make something illegible on one of the 83 pages of forms you have to fill out? Sorry, case thrown out.

If you pass all of those hurdles, you'll still lose money even if you win, and there's no law that i'm aware of that intel has to disclose RAM voltages to do it yourself builders. The information is out there and the end user is responsible for knowing what they're doing.

Now the one thing i'll concede is that what the hell is gskill doing marketing out of specifications ram? Unless there's a new CPU build coming down the pike, I have no idea what thats about. Do the RAM manufacturers know something we don't? 1.5V has been the standard for i5/i7 CPU's, is there a new cpu coming soon? Who knows.

 

[Diogenes2]

Now the one thing i'll concede is that what the hell is gskill doing marketing out of specifications ram?

My point would be, what the hell is Intel doing, publishing a compatible memory data sheet, with out of specifications ram?

 

[Rvenger]

Give it time, Intel will post a correction to the data sheet and we can make a thread that says

"HAHA told ya it wasn't safe intel 2400 ddr3 ram specs 🙂 "

 

[Axon]

What would this get me compared to 1600mhz @ 1.5v, a couple more benchmark points?

 

[Idontcare]

What would this get me compared to 1600mhz @ 1.5v, a couple more benchmark points?

At least 1.65 more points 😉 😀

 

[AdamK47]

I hope Intel's official stance on SB-E voltages aren't as conservative.

 

[blackened23]

What would this get me compared to 1600mhz @ 1.5v, a couple more benchmark points?

Bacon cooked to perfection.

 

[zebrax2]

What would this get me compared to 1600mhz @ 1.5v, a couple more benchmark points?

More power consumption 😛

 

[infoiltrator]

And there is "green" ram showing up at 1.3volts.
The way I've heard it 1.6 should be safe. 1.65 is in the definite uncertainty pool. Some chips can tolerate but no one knows how long.
I expect major cooling is involved too.