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Ha ha I enjoy these very much...

I like what this poster said:

Too bad ati makes excellent hardware that is power efficient, cool running, small, complex, and powerful and then offers very little to no quality software support at all. Kinda defeats the purpose of making great hardware when you don't back it up with a quality driver suite.
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On a personal note, I didn't have many issues with Catalyst except from some 9.x versions. Performance wise, I recall some games running better on older and others on newer drivers...which was troubling but not gamebreaking.

In all honesty, I love AMD cards. Great hardware, powerful, runs cool and need less power but, IMO, the Catalyst is the Achilles heel of AMD.

Doesn't remove the fact that AMD is great in my book though.
 
solofly said:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1549073

This time next year I'll be running all Nvidias...🙂
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Is this news? Some people have issues with Crossfire. Okay, we get it. We are much obliged for your thorough analysis of the issue. By the way, you already run 2x 460s supposedly (from this thread), so telling us you'll have Nvidia cards next year as well seems a bit redundant.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2093130&highlight=

There you announce that you have 2x 460s on the way. Did we really need another thread where you do nothing but link an AMD driver issue? There are a few threads about that on this forum.
 
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Well if it got unlocked then you must have a good reason for this post.

That said i'll chime in for drivers.

I've owned alot of video cards over the years, and used alot of different OS's. Currently i spend 70% of my computer time running linux, only boot windows to game. Years ago was the opposite, spent all my time in windows and only used linux to play around with sometimes.

Nvidia is leaps and bounds above ATI in drivers for linux, and they also offer drivers for BSD while ati does not. When i was running a 4830 sometimes the ati linux drivers would be so broken that the desktop effects would be choppy, its kinda sad that a card with as much horsepower as a 4830 cant handle desktop effects. the 4890 was better, desktop effects never lagged but 3d performance was all over the map from driver update to driver update.

Then there was my file server, i built a AMD AM2+ system for a file/media server with a 780G mobo, used the integrated ATI 3200 graphics running ubuntu. It crashed every 2 days give or take 12 hours. I swapped out every piece of hardware one piece at a time(mobo, CPU, RAM, PSU, even the case) in that system with my girlfriends computer(also a AM2+ platform, 780G mobo) and it still crashed every 2 days. While gf's comp was still stable as a rock(she was using a 4830). Finally decided it might have something to do with the integrated video drivers and bought a passive cooled Nvidia 8400GS, the system has now been running for 145days 12hours and 13min without a reboot so i guess its safe to say it had something to do with the ATI linux drivers for the 3200 graphics.

From a strictly windows standpoint the drivers are pretty much the same across the ATI/Nvida camps, sure ATI has CF scaling issues and every driver release breaks as many CF setups as it does fix ones that weren't working, so if you are going multiple GPU it just makes sense to go Nvidia. Most users however do not go CF/SLI, only a small number. And Nvida has had buggy drivers in the past, especially back in the TNT/first Geforce days and if i remember correctly they even released drivers that bricked some cards, something about turning the fan off and them overheating. So both sides have had issues.

Bottom line if you are using a single card only and only use windows it doesn't make a difference which side you go with. If you run multiple GPU's and/or also use linux then Nvidia would be a better option IMO.
 
A lot of people are very happy with Radeon 5770 Crossfired rigs. Those cards seem to scale well.

I know there have been significant problems with SLI'd Fermi's prior to the latest driver release.

AMD frequently seems late to the party fixing Xfire issues with games.

Will Xfire ever be as reliable and scalable as SLI? I wonder...

I also wonder why someone would enjoy someone else's misery in malfunctioning hardware.
 
i dont know if its just an issue for 5 series, but i have xfire 3870's, and tri-fire 4850's without problems for ~2yrs and i update drivers almost monthly
 
Damn, still trying to figure out what card I want. How well does Crossfire work these days? 5850 or two 5770's when the prices drop a little.
 
I honestly don't get this. So some users have Xfire relatedproblems and right off the bat people believe that the user is dump. Granted that is often the case, but there exist users who knows what they are doing and still run into this problem. Why does this make ATI okay? I mean, maybe there exist brands that doesn't follow specification which lead to this, but shouldn't it be fixed regardless of whose false it is? Immediately some will claim Nvidia driver rocks and ATI driver sucks.

Those who think Nvidia driver rocks. Can you tell me with a straight face that you never ever run into SLI problems?

Those who think ATI rocks. Can you offer solutions to those who are suffering from Xfire nightmares?

Is it wrong to ask a company to fix their product or the driver of the product have it cause problems? If it is indeed a ATI's driver issue, does it make all who experience this problem a green goblin?

WHERE IS THE LOVE????😳
 
solofly said:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1549073


I'm just posting FACTS and nothing more than that. I wasted money on the hardware I can't use so I'm making sure others dont make that same mistake I did. Stay away from AMD'S multi GPU configs...
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One thread someone gets warned for posting "don't buy AMD" and here the same thing and it's a PSA?

I look forward to Xfiring my 5870 once the 6k series is out and the price drops. Woots for price drops!
 
Seero said:
Is it wrong to ask a company to fix their product or the driver of the product have it cause problems? If it is indeed a ATI's driver issue, does it make all who experience this problem a green goblin?

WHERE IS THE LOVE????😳
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Green goblin is now code for nvidia fanboy 😀
 
Tsavo said:
Damn, still trying to figure out what card I want. How well does Crossfire work these days? 5850 or two 5770's when the prices drop a little.
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How much lower do you want 5770 to drop? It has been on sale for $115 on several occassions. Besides, GTX470 / Barts XT (most likely) both "guarantee" 5770 CF performance, without all the downsides of dual card setups.
 
I don't use linux or run multi gpu. I update whenever a new driver revision comes out, and I've never had issues with drivers from either camp.

@tsavo: I agree with russian, wait a month and grab a barts xt or gtx 470.
 
> Ha ha I enjoy these very much...

Good to know that you want other people to have problems.

I've owned many nVidia cards going back to a Riva TNT, and a few ATIs including my current 4870. Drivers from both have been fine for single-card use.

I've avoided crossfire / SLI since I haven't cared enough to spend the extra money, and from forum posts here both vendors have had problems with scaling, stuttering, image quality and crashing. nV might be better this month but don't get too complacent about that, next month they might have another card-burning fan control bug.
 
Seero said:
I honestly don't get this. So some users have Xfire relatedproblems and right off the bat people believe that the user is dump. Granted that is often the case, but there exist users who knows what they are doing and still run into this problem. Why does this make ATI okay? I mean, maybe there exist brands that doesn't follow specification which lead to this, but shouldn't it be fixed regardless of whose false it is? Immediately some will claim Nvidia driver rocks and ATI driver sucks.

Those who think Nvidia driver rocks. Can you tell me with a straight face that you never ever run into SLI problems?

Those who think ATI rocks. Can you offer solutions to those who are suffering from Xfire nightmares?

Is it wrong to ask a company to fix their product or the driver of the product have it cause problems? If it is indeed a ATI's driver issue, does it make all who experience this problem a green goblin?

WHERE IS THE LOVE????😳
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Would it be wrong to get windows to fix direct X. etc etc etc ad naseum ?I mean really the Os can't properly configure its driver implementation ?

This is a complex issue boiling down to a myriad of problems on all sides, mostly however that AMD,Nvidia and Microsoft can't seem to get it together to give a uniform API for card driver communication formating.
 
ModestGamer said:
Would it be wrong to get windows to fix direct X. etc etc etc ad naseum ?I mean really the Os can't properly configure its driver implementation ?

This is a complex issue boiling down to a myriad of problems on all sides, mostly however that AMD,Nvidia and Microsoft can't seem to get it together to give a uniform API for card driver communication formating.
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Okay, if the problem is originate from Dx, then we should then point our fingers towards MS, and if they can't or simply won't fix it, then we jump ship. Oh wait, skip the "you jump I jump" part for now.
 
I don't get how any one person having driver issues is in any way indicative of overall driver issues for a particular vendor...

If anyone felt like posting otherwise I suspect you could find a huge number of individuals with SLI issues.

Guess what, in almost every single occasion you'd find some user specific issue was behind the problem...

It terminally doesn't matter that you think you've managed the issue perfectly and it's 'dreadful' that hardware/software vendor X forgot your particular amazing and entirely unique install and usage profile 😉

So how does it usually work?

Are there thousands and thousands of people (well, that's what it would take to get a statistically significant sample, and then some) reporting this issue?

Uhhhh, no.

Well, gee, I've managed to find three people on teh intarwebs who have the same issue.

Therefore, it must be that all company X drivers are bollocks and that everyone who uses them will have huge issues 😉

Or alternatively: it's just possible that some of the hundreds of pieces of software I have installed/my os has installed are conflicting in some way that the driver team for company X had not considered.

Which seems more likely? I think that anyone who isn't a giant douche can probably answer that question as follows:

Both vendors' drivers are not perfect, and people sometimes have issues, particularly with multi-GPU setups. The vast majority of people don't (common sense and some pretty basic maths indicates that if everyone who installed a forceware or catalyst driver experienced epic ass-failure you may, just slightly, hear about it).
 
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Seero said:
Okay, if the problem is originate from Dx, then we should then point our fingers towards MS, and if they can't or simply won't fix it, then we jump ship. Oh wait, skip the "you jump I jump" part for now.
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Well the new dx12 standard and even the dx11 standard to some degree and WDDM are attempting to resolve this. Ultimately with varying ISA's your going to have less then optimal game implementations for each brand of hardware. It really dependson a myriad of factors down to non standard API features in the driver IL to the OS. to some degree it falls on game programmer to properly implement standard API stuff instead of non standard add on librarys etc. That and the Windows API just isn;t rich enough obviously to meet the needs of developers.

It sucks flatly.

I am already jumping.
 
ModestGamer said:
Well the new dx12 standard and even the dx11 standard to some degree and WDDM are attempting to resolve this. Ultimately with varying ISA's your going to have less then optimal game implementations for each brand of hardware. It really dependson a myriad of factors down to non standard API features in the driver IL to the OS. to some degree it falls on game programmer to properly implement standard API stuff instead of non standard add on librarys etc. That and the Windows API just isn;t rich enough obviously to meet the needs of developers.

It sucks flatly.

I am already jumping.
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Completely agree with everything you've said.
 
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