H.R. 1022

adairusmc

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110TH CONGRESS
H. R. 1022
1ST SESSION
To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
FEBRUARY 13, 2007
Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York
introduced the following bill; which was
referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
A BILL
To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.
1 Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
3 SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
4 This Act may be cited as the ??Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007??
SEC. 2. REINSTATEMENT FOR 10 YEARS OF REPEALED CRIMINAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO ASSAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES hmoore on PROD1PC68 with HMBILLS
10 (a) REINSTATEMENT OF PROVISIONS WHOLLY REPEALED.?Paragraphs (30) and (31) of section 921(a),
21 subsections (v) and (w) and Appendix A of section 922, 2 and the last 2 sentences of section 923(i) of title 18 United States Code, as in effect just before the repeal made by section 110105(2) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, are hereby enacted into law.
7 (b) REINSTATEMENT OF PROVISIONS PARTIALLY REPEALED.?Section 924 of title 18, United States Code, is amended? (1) in subsection (a)(1), by striking subparagraph (B) and inserting the following:
?(B) knowingly violates subsection (a)(4), (f),(k), (r), (v), or (w) of section 922;??; and
in subsection (c)(1)(B), by striking clause (i) and inserting the following:??(i) is a short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun, or semiautomatic assault weapon, the person shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 10 years; or??.
SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.
(a) IN GENERAL.?Section 921(a)(30) of title 18, 22 United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended to read as follows: hmoore on PROD1PC68 with HMBILLS
The term ?semiautomatic assault weapon? means any of the following:
??(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates hereof: ??(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK?47, AK?74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;
??(ii) AR?10;
??(iii) AR?15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;
??(iv) AR70;
?(v) Calico Liberty;
??(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;
??(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;
??(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;
??(ix) HK?91, HK?93, HK?94, or HK?PSG?1
??(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
??(xi) M1 Carbine;
??(xii) Saiga;
??(xiii) SAR?8, SAR?4800;
??(xiv) SKS with a fixed or detachable magazine;
??(xv) SLG 95; hmoore on PROD1PC68 with HMBILLS
??(xvi) SLR 95 or 96;
??(xvii) Steyr AUG;
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?(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini?14;
??(xix) Tavor;
??(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or
??(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).
??(B) The following pistols or copies or duplicates thereof:
??(i) Calico M?110;
??(ii) MAC?10, MAC?11, or MPA3;
??(iii) Olympic Arms OA;
??(iv) TEC?9, TEC?DC9, TEC?22 Scorpion, or AB?10; or
??(v) Uzi.
??(C) The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof:
??(i) Armscor 30 BG;
??(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12;
??(iii) Striker 12; or
??(iv) Streetsweeper.
??(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has a folding or telescoping stock; hmoore on PROD1PC68 with HMBILLS ??(ii) a threaded barrel;
??(iii) a pistol grip;
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??(iv) a forward grip; or
??(v) a barrel shroud.
??(E)(i) Except as provided in clause (ii), a semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
??(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.
??(F) A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has?
?(i) a second pistol grip;
??(ii) a threaded barrel;
??(iii) a barrel shroud; or
??(iv) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at a location outside of the pistol grip.
??(G) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
??(H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has?
??(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
??(ii) a pistol grip;
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??(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.
??(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
?(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or based substantially on the frame or receiver of, a firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (I) or (L).
??(K) A conversion kit.
??(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In
making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use
in a sporting event.??.
(b) RELATED DEFINITIONS.?Section 921(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:hmoore on PROD1PC68 with HMBILLS
? BARREL SHROUD.?The term ?barrel shroud? eans a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel of a firearm so that the shroud protects the user of the firearm from heat generated by the barrel, but does not include a slide that encloses the barrel, and does not include an extension of the stockalong the bottom of the barrel which does not encircle or substantially encircle the barrel.
??(37) CONVERSION KIT.?The term ?conversion kit?means any part or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a firearm into a semiautomatic assault weapon, and any combination of parts from which a semiautomatic assault weapon can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
??(38) DETACHABLE MAGAZINE.?The term ?detachable magazine? means an ammunition feeding device can readily be inserted into a firearm.
??(39) FIXED MAGAZINE.?The term ?fixed magazine? means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm.
??(40) FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK.?The term ?folding or telescoping stock? means a stock that folds, telescopes, or otherwise operates to reduce the length, size,or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances concealability, of a firearm.
??(41) FORWARD GRIP.?The term ?forward grip means a grip located forward of the trigger that functions as a pistol grip.
??(42) PISTOL GRIP.?The term ?pistol grip? means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip.
??(43) THREADED BARREL.?The term ?threaded barrel? means a feature or characteristic that is designed in such a manner to allow for the attachment of a firearm
as defined in section 5845(a) of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. 5845(a)).??.
SEC. 4. GRANDFATHER PROVISION.
Section 922(v)(2) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by inserting ??(A)?? after ??(2)??; and by adding after and below the end the following:
??(B) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm the possession or transfer of which would (but for this sub- be unlawful by reason of this subsection, and which is otherwise lawfully possessed on the date of the enactment of this subparagraph.??.
SEC. 5. REPEAL OF CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS.
Section 922(v)(3) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking
??(3)?? and all that follows through the 1st sentence and inserting the following:
Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that?
??(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, level,or slide action;
??(B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or
??(C) is an antique firearm.??.
SEC 6. REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR THE TRANSFER OF LAWFULLY POSSESSED SEMI-AUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS.
Section 922(v) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:
It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer a semiautomatic assault weapon to which paragraph (1) does not apply, except through?
?(A) a licensed dealer, and for purposes of subsection (t) in the case of such a transfer, the weapon shall be considered to be transferred from the business inventory of the licensed dealer and the dealer shall be considered to be the transferor; or
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??(B) a State or local law enforcement agency if the transfer is made in accordance with the procedures provided for in subsection (t) of this section and section 923(g).
??(6) The Attorney General shall establish and maintain, in a timely manner, a record of the make, model, and date of manufacture of any semiautomatic assault weapon which the Attorney General is made aware has been used in relation to a crime under Federal or State law, and the nature and circumstances of the crime involved, including the outcome of relevant criminal investigations and proceedings. The Attorney General shall annually submit the record to the Congress and make the record available to the general public.??.
SEC. 7. STRENGTHENING THE BAN ON THE POSSESSION OR TRANSFER OF A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE.
BAN ON TRANSFER OF SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPON WITH LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE.?
(1) IN GENERAL.?Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after subsection (y) the following: It shall be unlawful for any person to tranfer any assault weapon with a large capacity ammunition feeding device.??.
PENALTIES.?Section 924(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:
Whoever knowingly violates section 922(z) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 105 years, or both.??.
(b) CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENT.?
) IN GENERAL.?Section 922(w) of such title, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended?
(A) in paragraph (3)?(i) by adding ??or?? at the end of subparagraph (B); and
(ii) by striking subparagraph (C) and redesignating subparagraph (D) as subparagraph (C); and by striking paragraph (4) and inserting the following:
It shall be unlawful for a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer who transfers a large capacity ammunition feeding device that was manufactured on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection, to fail to certify to the Attorney General before the end of the 60-day period that begins with the date of the transfer, in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Attorney General, that the device was manufactured on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection.??.
(2) PENALTIES.?Section 924(a) of such title,as amended by subsection (a)(2) of this section, is amended by adding at the end the following:
Whoever knowingly violates section 922(w)(4) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 85 years, or both.??.
SEC. 8. UNLAWFUL WEAPONS TRANSFERS TO JUVENILES.
Section 922(x) of title 18, United States Code, is (A) in subparagraph (B), by striking the period and inserting a semicolon; and (B) by adding at the end the following:
C) a semiautomatic assault weapon; or??(D) a large capacity ammunition feeding device.??; and in paragraph (2)? (A) in subparagraph (B), by striking the period and inserting a semicolon; and (B) by adding at the end the following:
?(C) a semiautomatic assault weapon; or a large capacity ammunition feeding device.??.
SEC. 9. BAN ON IMPORTATION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE. IN GENERAL.?Section 922(w) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended?in paragraph (1), by striking ??(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2)?? and inserting ??(1)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B)?? in paragraph (2), by striking ??(2) Paragraph (1)?? and inserting ??(B) Subparagraph (A)??and by inserting before paragraph (3) the following:
(2) It shall be unlawful for any person to import or bring into the United States a large capacity ammunition feeding device.??.
CONFORMING AMENDMENT.?Section 18 921(a)(31)(A) of such title, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking ??manufactured after the date of enactment of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994??.




For those of you who actually value freedom, now is the time to call and/or write your congressman and voice your opposition to this bill.

I myself have written my letters, and made a contribution to the NRA today. Tomorrow I am also going to go purchase a few AR-15's, and maybe an M1a just in case.

The first one cost the dems congress, and it will do so again if this one passes (which is highly unlikely).
 

Rainsford

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No offense, but you gun nuts might have better luck if you didn't act so, well, nuts. As anyone who reads my posts knows, I'm a firm believer in the 2nd amendment, but every time I read something from a gun nut like "Be professional, be polite - but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.", I want to ban them from owning anything more dangerous than a butter knife. The reason bans on weapons like the AR-15 are fairly popular and keep popping up is that the kind of people who BUY AR-15s seem less like freedom loving Americans and more like wackos who are planning on using the weapon to mow down a cop cause they don't feel like getting a speeding ticket.

There is this idea that the reason people are opposed to gun ownership isn't because they don't like guns, it's because they don't like gun owners. And you know what, I think that idea might just have some merit.

Edit: Of course I realize that the same argument is frequently applied to the 1st and other amendments as well. Conservatives might be all for freedom of the press, but does it really have to be the NYT taking advantage of it? And obviously freedom isn't freedom unless it applies even to people you don't like, which is why my distaste for the more extreme gun owners doesn't make me want to support this ban. Just so it's clear, I think there is room for a difference between personal views and how we think the law should read.
 

Termagant

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There are plenty of very nice non nuts gun owners.

But if there is a revolution in this country, it will be the law and order conservatives who are the stormtroopers. So some of the gun nut types needn't worry.
 

Ferocious

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This puppy should pass.

Bush supports a ban on assault weapons.

Attorney general Gonzales supports a ban.

Most Americans definately support a ban.

I think even most gun owners want a ban.

Case closed: Ban em!

 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: adairusmc
For those of you who actually value freedom, now is the time to call and/or write your congressman and voice your opposition to this bill.
Thanks. I already wrote my Congressman to urge him to support this bill. I wish there was a way to contribute a negative amount to the NRA.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Termagant
There are plenty of very nice non nuts gun owners.

But if there is a revolution in this country, it will be the law and order conservatives who are the stormtroopers. So some of the gun nut types needn't worry.

Oh I agree completely, there are plenty of perfectly nice, normal people who own guns. As the old joke goes, some of my best friends are gun owners.

And you're right, the chances of NRA-types fighting against the government under any circumstances is so laughable that I'm surprised they still make that argument. Maybe it would help if support for the 2nd amendment did not seem to require a deep loathing for the rest of them.
 

adairusmc

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
This puppy should pass.

Bush supports a ban on assault weapons.

Attorney general Gonzales supports a ban.

Most Americans definately support a ban.

I think even most gun owners want a ban.

Case closed: Ban em!

This thing doesn't ban the firearms (just like the last one), it just bans cosmetic features and magazine capacity. It is not going to do a thing, except stop any hope that the dems have in 2008.

This is why I am going to buy as many items on that list as I can, just in case - then they will be grandfathered. :D

Thanks. I already wrote my Congressman to urge him to support this bill. I wish there was a way to make a negative contribution to the NRA.

Don't worry, I will buy a life membership to the NRA in your name.

 

OrByte

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non issue. I don't care if the NRA whackos have their guns or not...just keep em to yourself. Stay locked up in your bunkers and silos and polish your guns alll day loong...
 

halik

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Dumb, dumb piece of legislation. Analogous to insurance companies setting rates based on how fast the cars look.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Termagant
There are plenty of very nice non nuts gun owners.

But if there is a revolution in this country, it will be the law and order conservatives who are the stormtroopers. So some of the gun nut types needn't worry.

I get so tired of this crap. The Supreme Coup overthrew the elected President of the Unite States as gun owners cheered on.
 

Jhhnn

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Some Dems just haven't gotten the message that gun control is a dead issue. Actually, it's worse than that, it's a counter productive issue.

The whole assault weapons ban was a misdirection play, anyhow. Handguns are the weapon of choice in the vast majority of gun violence issues, but nobody, and I mean nobody, wants to touch that with a ten foot pole...

So we'll endure some pandering to anti gun sentiment from selected Dems, the usual paranoid ravings from the other side, and nothing will change... which seems about right...

And, uhh, the assertion that Dubya supports the AWB is bogus. What he said was that he'd sign an extension, if it passed congress. Which, at the time, was like saying if pigs had wings, he'd hunt 'em with his pal, Dick Cheney...
 
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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Which, at the time, was like saying if pigs had wings, he'd hunt 'em with his pal, Dick Cheney...

With the accuracy of Dick Cheney's shots, I don't think the Secret Service would let GWB hunt with him.
 

miketheidiot

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Gun enthusiasts would have more luck if they didn't come accross as paranoid wackjobs all the time. One of my friends is a "cold dead hands" type, but doesn't hunt, or for that matter eat meat, is delusionally afriad of the government, and owns basically a full swat kit. The other day he was talking about how he hoped there would be a civil war within his lifetime. Even further, he thought V for Vendeta was a very conservative movie (for real :D) and got angry when other conservatives told him it was a raving liberal flick. Its that kind of "i'm not living in reality" personality that continues to metaphorically shoot their own arguements in the foot.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Gun enthusiasts would have more luck if they didn't come accross as paranoid wackjobs all the time. One of my friends is a "cold dead hands" type, but doesn't hunt, or for that matter eat meat, is delusionally afriad of the government, and owns basically a full swat kit. The other day he was talking about how he hoped there would be a civil war within his lifetime. Even further, he thought V for Vendeta was a very conservative movie (for real :D) and got angry when other conservatives told him it was a raving liberal flick. Its that kind of "i'm not living in reality" personality that continues to metaphorically shoot their own arguements in the foot.

That's exactly the kind of behavior I'm talking about. There is a very significant difference between a willingness to use force in self-defense and the twisted attracting using force seems to hold for some people. I'm not that big into guns, but I've been studying martial arts for a while, and we have the same kind of people. You get the normal folks who want to have it in case they need it, but really hope the only place they need to use it is the dojo, and then you have the folks who think they are Bruce Lee and are just ITCHING for a chance to have an excuse to "kick some ass". Of course the amount of mental and physical effort required in the pursuit of martial arts tends to weed out the assholes just looking for a quick way to be able to hurt people. Too bad there isn't as high of an entry barrier for gun ownership...it might help.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: halik
Dumb, dumb piece of legislation. Analogous to insurance companies setting rates based on how fast the cars look.

Yup, a ban on mean looking rifles, while functionally identical hunting weapons are legal. This is just bad legislation.
 

K1052

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The previous ban was totally useless just as this one would be. The only thing it did was artificially inflate prices for pre-ban material.

I don't care for some of the NRA's tactics but as long as there are no other powerful organizations that are willing to protect 2nd Amendment rights I have little choice other than to support them.
 

amddude

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This won't pass, dems don't want that trouble yet. They'll wait until after the next election.
 

JD50

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LOL @ those of you too scared of guns to understand what this legislation means. The knee jerk reaction of the gun haters is ridiculous.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: JD50
LOL @ those of you too scared of guns to understand what this legislation means. The knee jerk reaction of the gun haters is ridiculous.

Like the saying goes, guns don't kill people, people kill people. Similarly, I think the sentiment is far more directed at the gun nuts than the guns themselves. In fact, I'm FAIRLY sure that's the whole point of most of the posts in this thread. Of course gun enthusiast types see it as all about the guns (I'm surprised you didn't use the phrase "sheeple" anywhere in your post), but really the issue most people have is that a fair number of gun enthusiasts seem to think they are Navy SEALs behind enemy lines. I mean, adairusmc, who according to his profile lives in Oregon (not exactly the most dangerous of locations) nevertheless feels the need to "have a plan to kill everyone he meets". Gee, I can't imagine why anyone would object to THAT.
 

adairusmc

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: JD50
LOL @ those of you too scared of guns to understand what this legislation means. The knee jerk reaction of the gun haters is ridiculous.

Like the saying goes, guns don't kill people, people kill people. Similarly, I think the sentiment is far more directed at the gun nuts than the guns themselves. In fact, I'm FAIRLY sure that's the whole point of most of the posts in this thread. Of course gun enthusiast types see it as all about the guns (I'm surprised you didn't use the phrase "sheeple" anywhere in your post), but really the issue most people have is that a fair number of gun enthusiasts seem to think they are Navy SEALs behind enemy lines. I mean, adairusmc, who according to his profile lives in Oregon (not exactly the most dangerous of locations) nevertheless feels the need to "have a plan to kill everyone he meets". Gee, I can't imagine why anyone would object to THAT.


If you had a clue at all, you would know that my sig is from the Marine Corps rules for gunfighting. But you never know what kind of psycho, so I live by those words. I am a concealed carry licensee, and carry everywhere I go - what is wrong with living by that quote? The point of my sig is that I try to be always prepared for any idiot that would want to give me a reason to use my CCW.

Now you can STFU about my sig.


If you want me to put a phrase in my sig that is representative of what I think of gun control, here is one - molon labe.

 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: adairusmc
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: JD50
LOL @ those of you too scared of guns to understand what this legislation means. The knee jerk reaction of the gun haters is ridiculous.

Like the saying goes, guns don't kill people, people kill people. Similarly, I think the sentiment is far more directed at the gun nuts than the guns themselves. In fact, I'm FAIRLY sure that's the whole point of most of the posts in this thread. Of course gun enthusiast types see it as all about the guns (I'm surprised you didn't use the phrase "sheeple" anywhere in your post), but really the issue most people have is that a fair number of gun enthusiasts seem to think they are Navy SEALs behind enemy lines. I mean, adairusmc, who according to his profile lives in Oregon (not exactly the most dangerous of locations) nevertheless feels the need to "have a plan to kill everyone he meets". Gee, I can't imagine why anyone would object to THAT.


If you had a clue at all, you would know that my sig is from the Marine Corps rules for gunfighting. But you never know what kind of psycho, so I live by those words. I am a concealed carry licensee, and carry everywhere I go - what is wrong with living by that quote? The point of my sig is that I try to be always prepared for any idiot that would want to give me a reason to use my CCW.

Now you can STFU about my sig.


If you want me to put a phrase in my sig that is representative of what I think of gun control, here is one - molon labe.

There is nothing at all wrong with being prepared for the various idiots that inhabit this planet, my concern is more for the idea that it's necessary to "live by that quote". I'm sure the Marines know what they are talking about, but with a few notable exceptions, I don't think living in the United States requires behaving or thinking like a Marine in a combat zone...do you? I don't mean to give you a hard time about your sig, it's just that I've met a lot of suburban commando types who think they live in Beruit that just rubbed me the wrong way. But, to be fair, I might just be projecting my past bad experiences onto you...so in case that DOESN'T describe you, my apologies.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
horrible legislation.. pointless even.

Indeed. I'm not sure what the point here is, because the bill seems more focused on cosmetic features than anything else...so even if what you wanted was a real assault weapons ban, this bill would not be it. What's more, I'm not quite sure what such a ban is supposed to DO. There is a lot of publicity about assault weapons, but don't the statistics suggest that most gun violence is done by handguns than anything else? This seems more like a feel good event to make a lot of smoke and noise than anything really productive. I hate to say it, but the assault weapons ban seems a lot like a liberal version of warrantless wiretaps...questionable measures of dubious effectiveness with significant constitutional issues used mostly as a show of listening to the "base".
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
This puppy should pass.

Bush supports a ban on assault weapons.

Attorney general Gonzales supports a ban.

Most Americans definately support a ban.

I think even most gun owners want a ban.

Case closed: Ban em!

So you have a link to support your hyperbole???
Most Americans definately support a ban. --a link would be nice....