Understood. But in the specific context of RTX, we're supposed to accept the horrific overpricing of Turding because it's a "killer" feature. So it's not acceptable for concessions at those kinds of prices.
No, we're not suppose to accept the pricing if we don't want to. You don't have to buy this product, hell, I wouldn't even bother with your posts if they were simple "too over priced, turd, next" but the examples you bring up to defend your opinion make you look more desperate in trying to find validation in your opinion. Features are, again, subjective. Price, also. Hell, we've been fighting price / perf wars for years.
Sure, sure, recognizing a rip-off is "entitlement".
The 2060 shouldn't have 6GB when a cheaper 1070/1070TI has 8GB.
Would you be happy with a 4GB 3060 for $400?
How about a 2GB 4060 for $450?
That's not entitlement, it's called not being a dumb consumer.
Yes, that's entitlement. You are not OWED anything by these companies. No one is. This is the part I feel that has been aggravating the crap out of me lately, mind you not just at ATF. You come off more as a snowflake crying you didn't get your precious price / perf metric, and yes I probably sound like a "shill" but I'm tired of reading "I didn't get X because Y reason." And the cherry to me is, just like the snowflakes I spit coffee at as I read their articles in the morning, if someone doesn't agree with you they must be a "dumb consumer."
The fact is at every Turding bracket, the price has gone up but VRAM has gone down or stayed the same.
Just about everything cost more today. EVERYTHING.
You just reminded me perfectly of the Jimmy Deans customer complaint. Give it a listen. TL
L: "You changed the size of your sausage! How do you expect me to feed my family with only one, now!?"
I get that NV dunked on us all. You can are not required to support them. No one is. But this thread is basically "you can't do ultra with ultra DXR @ 1080 on a mainstream card, waaaaaah."
Let's talk entitlement. Who's more entitled between the kids bellow:
- Dad, buy me this $200 card to play Battlefield 5 @ 1080p / 60FPS
- Dad, buy me this $350 card to play Battlefield 5 @ 1080p / 60FPS with real reflections
Stop, for a second and think about this. Just this simple example of yours. "What's more entitled" "I should have gotten...." You're already acting entitled.
Even in your make believe situation you aren't making any sense. We just saw AMD raise 590 to $280 versus the $230 MSRP of the RX 580 for 10% performance increases! Excluding DXR performance, RTX 2060 is $350 MSRP, over GTX 1060 6GB $250 MSRP with 50-60% performance increase. And this is a "turd" to BFG10K? If this is a turd, I can only imagine his opinion on RX 590.
What some are trying to say and some refuse to listen is that RTX 2060 brings you the following options in BF5:
- 1440p @ 80FPS+
- 1080p @ 60FPS /w DXR and various lowered image quality settings (lower than 1080p native resolution mostly compensated by DLSS, lowered texture detail, lowered reflection resolution)
DXR is an option that ISN'T required to play. You can still get the magic 60 FPS @ 1080. But now we're entering entitlement realm where people EXPECT the card to be cheaper if they remove the function. Why would NV remove it and charge less? They aren't AMD giving away performance/features/yada-yada for free. This is a company that has shown to be ruthless and acting surprised one bit that they are going to perserve their margins is insane. This is what I meant by in another thread about "why is it always AMD 4870 Redux" around here. As if AMD is going to continue to give stuff away for free hurting themselves in the process (reference to the FP functions of Radeon 7.)
This is what
@BFG10K probably tried to convey, that the price to enabling DXR in the quest for better graphics detail is beginning to stack up as you essentially give up graphical details all around the scene to gain more accurate details in select areas. The loss in FPS and latency is just the cherry on top. This isn't even about RTX 2060 performance in general, we're talking using the same card with 2 different rendering presets.
Maybe RT performance will improve a lot more in the future, maybe newer titles will come with better support, but until then "shaking and crying" from a sarcasm overdose will do little to set the record straight.
I must be too old or something. It's not like new features through out the years weren't demanding on launch. It's not like we were all blasting MSAA or Tessellation or shadows, or whatever the exact moment in time they were released to users. No, they were taxing, and we got our hopes up for when these features would scale down in performance resources so we can use them more freely.
Expecting DXR to be performance free is beyond ridiculous. And complaining its taxing and thus lowers performance and shouldn't be a feature is beyond moronic. You can buy an AMD card, it won't do the nefarious DXR (yet?), you'll still get lesser performance, but at least you get more VRAM.