[H] Battlefield 3 Open Beta Performance and Image Quality

[toyota]

many games do thats why its hard to determine how much vram we actually NEED. for Rage they have said that the more vram that you have then you will get better crisper textures and be faster at loading of them.

 

[ViRGE]

Ah ok. I'm using eVGA precision. Ok at 1680x1050, Ultra Settings with 4xAA 16AF on a 560Ti 1GB card. Memory usage was it's highest at 1011MB. Never went higher than that. So I think Happy Medium is totally right on this one and Groover is not.
Also some FRAPS min avg and max coming up for Metro Level. BRB.

Keys, wouldn't that mean you're maxing out your memory usage? NVIDIA's drivers have never allocated every last bit of memory. You're 13MB shy of 1GB.

 

[Keysplayr]

Ah ok. I'm using eVGA precision. Ok at 1680x1050, Ultra Settings with 4xAA 16AF on a 560Ti 1GB card. Memory usage was it's highest at 1011MB. Never went higher than that. So I think Happy Medium is totally right on this one and Groover is not.
Also some FRAPS min avg and max coming up for Metro Level. BRB.
Ok, FRAPS Min: 26 Avg: 36 Max: 54

 

[toyota]

Keys, wouldn't that mean you're maxing out your memory usage? NVIDIA's drivers have never allocated every last bit of memory. You're 13MB shy of 1GB.

yeah I was about to say that even if he did need more, he probably could not access it.

 

[happy medium]

Ok at 1680x1050, Ultra Settings with 4xAA 16AF on a 560Ti 1GB card. Memory usage was it's highest at 1011MB

Groveriding said he uses 1.45gb of memory at 1080p vs your 1gb of memory at 1600x1050.
I just dont see how he could use 450mb more memory going from 1600x1050 to 1900 x1080.

If the game uses over 1.3 gb of memory at 1900x1080, how can Groveriding even run the game at 2500x1600 2x aa with only 1.5gb of memory?

Yes ,I think I am right.

 

[Keysplayr]

Keys, wouldn't that mean you're maxing out your memory usage? NVIDIA's drivers have never allocated every last bit of memory. You're 13MB shy of 1GB.

Most likely due to AA cranked. Without it I hover at about 900+

 

[Keysplayr]

Groverfinding said he uses 1.45gb of memory at 1080p vs your 1gb of memory at 1600x1050.
I just dont see how he could use 450mb more memory going from 1600x1050 to 1900 x1080.

If the game uses over 1.3 gb of memory at 1900x1080, how can Groverfinding even run the game at 2500x1600 2x aa with only 1.5gb of memory?

Yes ,I think I am right.

WHY do you keep calling him Groverfinding. Dammit Happy just discuss the findings and check the bait stick at the door.

 

[happy medium]

I just played with everything at the highest setting and VRAM usage was hovering around 1.4gb according to MSI AB.

Maybe it allocates VRAM dynamically or something?

I think you are correct.
Funny I have not seen anyone using over 1.4gb of memory.?
That seems like the max.

 

[happy medium]

WHY do you keep calling him Groverfinding. Dammit Happy just discuss the findings and check the bait stick at the door.

It was actually a honest name error, sorry Grover
edited and fixed

 

[Keysplayr]

It was actually a honest name error, sorry Grover
edited and fixed

Sorry then for snapping at you. :thumbsup:

 

[RobertR1]

I think you are correct.
Funny I have not seen anyone using over 1.4gb of memory.?
That seems like the max.

That's the max currently on one level. We don't know how that translates to single player and other maps. I'm hitting 1450's of memory used at times using MSI afterburner on my setup (see sig). Trust me, I'm worried.

 

[RobertR1]

Let's see now, he uses 4x MSAA + post processing AA? Who does that? Why would you apply both?

Because it's best to use both, if you can:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1586489&postcount=995

 

[happy medium]

That's the max currently on one level. We don't how that translates to single player and other maps. I'm hitting 1450's of memory used at time using MSI afterburner on my setup (see sig). Trust me, I'm worried.

Can you do us a big favor and check your video memory at 1080p ultra settings 4xaa 16 af and give us a screen shot of the memory usage?. I would but I STILL cant do a screen shot.

 

[Keysplayr]

That's the max currently on one level. We don't how that translates to single player and other maps. I'm hitting 1450's of memory used at time using MSI afterburner on my setup (see sig). Trust me, I'm worried.

I don't think you need to be. Like I said, I never went over 1011MB at Ultra and full AA on a 1GB card. The game appears to manage memory according to what you have, but no telling actually how much is requires.

 

[toyota]

I don't think you need to be. Like I said, I never went over 1011MB at Ultra and full AA on a 1GB card. The game appears to manage memory according to what you have, but no telling actually how much is requires.

again you CANT use any more ram than that even if you needed to.

 

[Will Robinson]

Those [H] results are hilarious.
Suddenly they are a website that can't be trusted,biased etc etc...wonder if the fact that NVDA cards got pwned in BF3 has anything to do with that..:whiste:
Certain ..ahem.."fans" here oughta just suck it up and admit they just got reamed out.^_^

Will,

This is not the way to avoid throwing fuel into the fire. The people here are trying very hard to keep the discussion civil despite very strong differences of opinion.

One of your forum colleagues made pretty much the same point as you are trying to here, but he showed much more restraint AND even substantiation for his position.

All you did in return was come here and heckle your forum peers. If everybody started acting like you in this thread, this thread would be hopelessly chaotic.

I hope you can realize your mistake here, and avoid doing it again.

Moderator jvroig

 

[3DVagabond]

If it is dynamically adjusting VRAM usage then it has to be reducing settings somewhere. That would infer that cards with lower VRAM are being given lower settings to play than cards with more VRAM. Are 2Gb cards being hurt by higher IQ settings if settings are set high enough to cause this VRAM limiting? Could this be why [H]'s and other sites numbers aren't jiving? By adjusting settings to "max playable" are they avoiding this VRAM limiting?

Just so you know, I'm not convinced about this dynamic VRAM theory. Just hypothesizing what if.

 

[RobertR1]

Can you do us a big favor and check your video memory at 1080p ultra settings 4xaa 16 af and give us a screen shot of the memory usage?. I would but I STILL cant do a screen shot.

Here you go: it's not good. This is everything max'd out on a GTX580 running at 960/1920/2150. Resolution is = 1080p.

 

[Keysplayr]

again you CANT use any more ram than that even if you needed to.

Know for the future that I have acknowledged what you have said here... twice now. I'm not ignoring you.

We're thinking it may not NEED to. The games memory management just might allocate whatever it can from the cards available memory. It might not have to actually use all of it. As we have seen no discernible difference in performance from 1GB to 2GB cards.
None of us are saying that IS what is going on. It's just an educated guess as that is what APPEARS to be happening.

 

[RussianSensation]

Because it's best to use both, if you can:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1586489&postcount=995

Thanks for the link. :thumbsup:

But is it reasonable to apply both when a GTX580 is doing 29 fps min / 40 fps average in an online multiplayer FPS game? That's somewhat borderline playable imho.

I think the preliminary benchmarks are showing that to truly max this game out, esp. at 2560x1600 4AA+post process AA @ Ultra, we will need next generation 28nm GPUs; or drivers will need to improve.

Here you go: it's not good. This is everything max'd out on a GTX580 running at 960/1920/2150. Resolution is = 1080p.

Wow, almost 1.5GB of VRAM. That's a lot of memory usage frankly for a game with less than spectacular texture quality. Based on the up-close screenshots you posted, the textures are nothing special. Not sure why it needs that much VRAM at only 1080P.

 

[RussianSensation]

http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/zh1nt0/~bVAeO

Global Battlefield Community Manager at DICE:

"A lot of what you are seeing in the BETA doesn't exist in the main game already. 1st Party submissions mean we couldn't give a version of the latest code in the BETA but the retail game is well ahead of what you are seeing now with a lot more bug fixes already in place."

In the Beta at least, single and dual core CPUs are pretty much worthless for this game:
http://benchmark3d.com/battlefield-3-beta-performance-preview

 

[Silverforce11]

Actually a bit late, but Russian, you seriously need to stop using GameGPU benches as if they mean anything when they test on multiple platforms, they also do not specify which CPU and GPU combos are used for AMD hardware, given that the notorious F1 2011 bench they did had Phenom 1100T x6 performing much worse than core i5s...

HardOCP is not biased at all, one of my most trusted site next to AT. They give a nice fps graph and do apples comparison. If they were AMD biased, they wouldn't review the galaxy 560 ti recently with NO competition and gave it an award.

And the PCPER review is full of shit, frankly. Average fps is 2-3 fps within MIN, no way. It should have tipped you off that their benches are crock, but i guess you decide to trust that crap.

 

[happy medium]

Wow, almost 1.5GB of VRAM. That's a lot of memory usage frankly for a game with less than spectacular texture quality. Based on the up-close screenshots you posted, the textures are nothing special. Not sure why it needs that much VRAM at only 1080P.

Thats right he has a gtx580, thats exactly what I was saying at 1080p he is using about 1.45gb and Groover was getting 1.45gb 's at 2500x1600. It seems if you have the extra memory the game uses it. The question is how?

Now we have to find out what is the quality difference between a gtx580 running 1.5gb of memory running at say 50fps @ 1080p max settings and a gtx570 running 1.25gb's of memory at say 45fps at 1080p, max settings.

Does the extra 250 mb of memory make a difference with the gtx580?
Does 2gb of memory make a difference?

We need a site to compare a 69501gb vs a 6950 2gb @ 1080p max settings.

 

[WMD]

at just 1280x960 I hit about 1150mb of vram on ultra with 4x AA and 960mb without AA. I would easily go over 1gb at at 1920x1080 even without AA.

My cards has 1gb and the game uses 785mb max at 1680x1050 4xAA. I think it just uses more if your card has more VRAM.

 

[toyota]

My cards has 1gb and the game uses 785mb max at 1680x1050 4xAA. I think it just uses more if your card has more VRAM.

you cant be using ultra settings and 4x AA because your ram usage is nothing like anybody elses. it would be using around 1011 mb for your 1gb card with those settings.