[H] Battlefield 3 Open Beta Performance and Image Quality

[happy medium]

Read the article

I dont even have to read the article, I know the results, that says something and its not good.

 

[RussianSensation]

I think the review is excellent for highlighting that there is no solid conclusion on where all the different cards end up, as right now there are circumstances where AMD is faster and ones where nvidia is faster. Until there can be a consistently identical benchmark performed, it's up in the air.

Remember the issues you had with Dragon Age 2 on the GTX480? Its performance was disastrous.

NV worked hard and now a GTX580 easily beats the HD6970 in that game.

I think we should wait for the full game and another 2-3 driver releases from both camps.

 

[3DVagabond]

I dont even have to read the article, I know the results, that says something and its not good.

Enough said.

 

[RussianSensation]

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/gaming-software/13498?start=2

All cards using latest beta drivers supporting BF3:

I think its fairly plausible based on this, that the 6950 and 570 are pretty close.

Outdoor:
1. Athlon X4 965 + HD6770 is 17% faster than 2600k + HD6770. How?
2. Athlon X4 965 wins when paired with 3 of 4 possible combinations of videocards vs. the 2600k . Is that a magical Phenom II?

Indoor:
1. Athlon X4 965 + HD6770 is 19% faster than a 2600k + HD6770. So a 2600k with 40% IPC advantage and a clock speed advantage is 19% slower than Phenom II?

 

[blackened23]

PC Perspective: "We used the latest drivers from both NVIDIA and AMD that were released specifically yesterday for Battlefield 3: 285.38 for NVIDIA and 11.10 Preview for AMD."


So you have 3 reputable websites showing GTX570 easily beating an HD6950 2GB and HardOCP showing it 10% faster......

Fair enough. Hopefully we'll get some more comparisons from other hardware sites in the coming weeks.

 

[happy medium]

I wouldn't want to see what it's like trying to play on ultra with a single 460.

My gtx460 runs dam close to 5870 speeds at 950 core. 1gb cards do not run out of memory at 1080p ultra settings in BF3.

I dont see much difference (if at all) between ultra and high anyway.
This game seems far from finished, I can even remap my control keys.

 

[Grooveriding]

Not sure if you are accusing [H] of posting articles that are designed to be nothing more than trolling flamebait, but you've insinuated it without actually saying anything that will make you culpable.

Second part of your post is a good reminder to people who are getting excited, one way or the other, about card performance. Especially if they are going to get all knotted up between brands. This is a beta. They are collecting info about how the game runs. Changes are likely to be made before release. Then patches are likely to be made after release.



Nothing wrong with [H]'s preview here. Read the article. It's all pretty basic on the procedures they use. If you have a legit complaint about them point it out. You're PO'd because your favorite brand didn't come out on top. Even though [H] states that there's a reason they did separate graphs for each card...

Normally one might say this is a personal jab etc. But given his thread creation history - remember these gems ?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2099117&highlight=460+sli+5870

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2096576&highlight=460+sli+5870

I like that they did real in game benchmarks with line graphs.
Good acticle.

It's basicaly - good when they show one company in a good light, bad when they show that company in a bad light. Way to throw away the credibility of your opinion about [H]ard

It would be more respectful if you just abstained from the thread. Rather than come in and crap on it because you don't like seeing that AMD is faster than nvidia in BF3. It adds nothing useful and is just derailing/thread crapping.

 

[Grooveriding]

My gtx460 runs dam close to 5870 speeds at 950 core. 1gb cards do not run out of memory at 1080p ultra settings in BF3.

Like I said, you need to get over it. Don't crap on the thread or spread fud because you don't like that BF3 uses over 1.3GB of VRAM maxed out at 1080P.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Outdoor:
1. Athlon X4 965 + HD6770 is 17% faster than 2600k + HD6770. How?
2. Athlon X4 965 wins when paired with 3 of 4 possible combinations of videocards vs. the 2600k . Is that a magical Phenom II?

Indoor:
1. Athlon X4 965 + HD6770 is 19% faster than a 2600k + HD6770. So a 2600k with 40% IPC advantage and a clock speed advantage is 19% slower than Phenom II?

lol@magical Phenom that's pretty funny but seriously who the hell published or did that review?

Must be the guys from Hard Op who did that one too huh :| Couldn't even fool a computer dummy that the "magical phenom" can outperform intel's crown jewel :awe:

Edit:breaking news>Hard Op posted a article saying their pentium 4 was faster then your core 2 duo

 

[toyota]

My gtx460 runs dam close to 5870 speeds at 950 core. 1gb cards do not run out of memory at 1080p ultra settings in BF3.

I dont see much difference (if at all) between ultra and high anyway.
This game seems far from finished, I can even remap my control keys.

at just 1280x960 I hit about 1150mb of vram on ultra with 4x AA and 960mb without AA. I would easily go over 1gb at at 1920x1080 even without AA.

 

[Grooveriding]

Remember the issues you had with Dragon Age 2 on the GTX480? Its performance was disastrous.

NV worked hard and now a GTX580 easily beats the HD6970 in that game.

I think we should wait for the full game and another 2-3 driver releases from both camps.

Sure I remember, that was 2 months of piss-poor nvidia drivers. That was a full retail game though and serious driver issues.

This is a beta game client with beta drivers from both AMD/NV, so a little different. I am also looking forward to seeing retail and WHQL drivers, along with a consistent benchmark run of the single player campaign. As well some further analysis of why BF3 uses so much VRAM.

Until then can't call it either way.

 

[happy medium]

Like I said, you need to get over it. Don't crap on the thread or spread fud because you don't like that BF3 uses over 1.3GB of VRAM maxed out at 1080P.

Like I said a million times if your card has more ram it will use it and if it has 1gb it will use it.
I see no drops in frames on my 1gb card at ultra settings.

ANd just like the sites I linked and russian linked the 6870 ,gtx550ti, gtx 560ti dont show any large drop in fps on ultra settings from not having enough memory.

Sharing a different opionion about a web sites bias or a different opinion from others does not make it a thread crap.

 

[Grooveriding]

Like I said a million times if your card has more ram it will use it and if it has 1gb it will use it.

Absolutely false. My cards have 1.5GB and usually sit around 1.1 or so in some games, 900MB or so in others.

In BF3 they are at 1400-1450GB all the time. If I enable 4xAA over 2xAA they choke and die and are maxed at 1500GB.

Other posters echo these results at different resolutions and a website's findings did. Yet you are maxing the game out on a single 460 and it's smooth. :sneaky:

Most likely this is more related to sentiments similar to your vascillating feelings about [H]ard's reviews but this time to nvidia's limited lineup of cards with over 1GB of memory.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Damn glad i got my cash back on the gtx560ti that failed on me last month...i would be kicking myself in the ass about now.

Most obvious choice if your looking to buy is amd,no question about it....but there isn't no bench's as of yet showing how well a 3gb gtx580 can do...only how a 2gb 6970 wages against a 1.2gb gtx570 and 1.5gb gtx580 gpu...

 

[happy medium]

at just 1280x960 I hit about 1150mb of vram on ultra with 4x AA

That because your card has 1.25gb of memory. My 5750 did not use more than 1gb of ram (in the 800's) on my kids system at 1280x1024, why? because it only has 1gb of memory. It ran just fine when overclocked 20%, at stock it stuttered.

Funny thing I popped in my gtx 460 ran it on my old monitor @ 1600x1200 ultra settings and it used about 900+mb of memory, almost the same amount as the 5750 at 1280x1024.

Then I ran the gtx460 on my 1080p TV and it still never went above 1gb.

The game seems to use what it needs depending on how much you have.*shrugs*


This game manages memory like no other I have seen.

Edit: Groveriding seems to eco my results, he has 1.5 gb of memory and the game uses 1.3/1.4gb.

 

[toyota]

That because your card has 1.25gb of memory. My 5750 did not use more than 1gb of ram (in the 800's) on my kids system at 1280x1024, why? because it only has 1gb of memory. It ran just fine when overclocked 20%, at stock it stuttered.

Funny thing I popped in my gtx 460 ran it on my old monitor @ 1600x1200 ultra settings and it used about 900+mb of memory, almost the same amount as the 5750 at 1280x1024.

Then I ran the gtx460 on my 1080p TV and it still never went above 1gb.

The game seems to use what it needs depending on how much you have.*shrugs*


This game manages memory like no other I have seen.

Edit: Groverfinding seems to eco my results, he has 1.5 gb of memory and the game uses 1.3/1.4gb.

yes that is very possible and that is actually what I thought at first. I guess we will see as this game is certainly not good enough looking to be actually needing more than 1gb of vram at even 1920.

 

[Keysplayr]

What are you guys using to measure memory usage?

 

[skipsneeky2]

Toyota as a experiment crank those settings to low on 1280x1024...no aa or nothing...see what kinda vram its pulling.

This old 9800gtx was pulling 506mb of vram at 1600x1200 on low..no eyecandy period.

 

[CupCak3]

What are you guys using to measure memory usage?

GPU-Z

 

[blackened23]

What are you guys using to measure memory usage?

MSI afterburner

 

[Carfax83]

Absolutely false. My cards have 1.5GB and usually sit around 1.1 or so in some games, 900MB or so in others.

In BF3 they are at 1400-1450GB all the time. If I enable 4xAA over 2xAA they choke and die and are maxed at 1500GB.

Other posters echo these results at different resolutions and a website's findings did. Yet you are maxing the game out on a single 460 and it's smooth. :sneaky:

Most likely this is more related to sentiments similar to your vascillating feelings about [H]ard's reviews but this time to nvidia's limited lineup of cards with over 1GB of memory.

Well that doesn't bode well for my system.. I have a 30 inch monitor as well, and I was looking forward to maxing the game out on my 580s.

Crysis 2 DX11 Ultra uses a lot of VRAM as well, and I have no problems maxing that game out..

I'm sure the shipping version will have better performance though, due to better drivers and better optimizations..

 

[Keysplayr]

Ah ok. I'm using eVGA precision. Ok at 1680x1050, Ultra Settings with 4xAA 16AF on a 560Ti 1GB card. Memory usage was it's highest at 1011MB. Never went higher than that. So I think Happy Medium is totally right on this one and Groover is not.
Also some FRAPS min avg and max coming up for Metro Level. BRB.

 

[happy medium]

yes that is very possible and that is actually what I thought at first. I guess we will see as this game is certainly not good enough looking to be actually needing more than 1gb of vram at even 1920.

Yes ,I remember you posting that and thats why I gave the game a try.

I thought.....:hmm: , Dice would be retarded to make a game that uses more than 1gb of memory at 1080p, when probrobly 80% of the cards out there have 1gb of memory or less.

And then I seen posters saying they were using 1.4gb of memory with their high end cards @1080p, I thought.............ya know Toyota was probrobly right.

 

[blackened23]

I just played with everything at the highest setting and VRAM usage was hovering around 1.4gb according to MSI AB.

Maybe it allocates VRAM dynamically or something?

 

[ViRGE]

Not sure if you are accusing [H] of posting articles that are designed to be nothing more than trolling flamebait, but you've insinuated it without actually saying anything that will make you culpable.

To be clear I'm not accusing them of trolling as in baiting people into flaming. I mean they're trolling for readers by publishing a stupid article, because nothing in that article will be relevant for the shipping version of BF3. But you can bet your butt that will be one of the first Google results later this month when the game ships.