GWB the last Republican president the US ever sees?

[Socio]

It looks like the Democrats have no intention of doing anything about illegal immigration or border security until the second term of a democrat president.

Immigration reform untouchable for now

WASHINGTON, July 25 A key U.S. Democrat predicted his party won't reintroduce immigration reform until at least the second term of a prospective Democratic president.

U.S. Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, blamed Republicans for botching this year's immigration debate and said that makes it tougher for Democrats to return to the issue,

Meaning when they will have more then enough power to grant mass amnesty to 30 million plus in 2012 and guarantee them they can bring their families and extended families like the both the immigrants and Democrats want. Most all of whom will vote Democrat because Democrats give them what they want. This will ensure the Democrats have more than enough new voters to secure a new Democrat president for two more terms and a continued Democrat controlled congress.

Of course this will also create enough pro-open border pro-illegal immigrant vote power that the chances of the southern border order ever being secure and the mass importation of immigrants from south of the border and elsewhere illegally ever being stopped will be nil.

Due to this; by 2024 there will likely be yet another mass amnesty given by the Democrats for another 15-20 million or more, immigrants again most all of whom will vote Democrat. This will in turn lead to the US will becoming a full fledged one party nation, ?Democrat? by 2025.

Thus we may have already seen the last Republican controlled congress and may well be seeing our last Republican president in the history of the US.

 

[StageLeft]

Don't worry, a new party will emerge that is even more liberal than the democrats and instead of just pandering to the semi-literate no-skill immigrants, this new party will separate itself further by throwing money at them in any way it can.

Don't think the American people will put up with this? They will because they already do put up with illegal immigration and are powerless to have their majority wishes exercised already.

Forgive my ignorance, but does this nation ever have referendums? In Canada, for certain key topics and it doesn't happen much, there may be a national referendum. On an issue as heated as this one, it seems like a great idea. Get the vote-seeking political whores in office out of the way and put the question to the people.

EDIT: Oh, google says the US is one of only a few democratic countries to never have had a national referendum. I think you guys would do well to get a provision in play that allows them. They can be quite purifying.

 

[Genx87]

I believe in theory our national referendums are amendments to the constitution.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I do not think they will grant citizenship status, just legal status ie. Green card

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
I do not think they will grant citizenship status, just legal status ie. Green card

Maybe but I doubt it:

The last immigration reform round that provision was put in to appease the Republicans and hopefully garner some votes which did not work.

Next time the Democrats will be in full power and will need no such provision, why would they?

That is a whole lot of insta-Democrat voters which will secure and ensure the permanent Democrat stronghold of power in the US. They would have to be pretty stupid to pass that up, thus I am sure they won't.

 

[Genx87]

And we the voters will get what we asked. Our politicians selling us out to people who arent even legal citizens.

 

[Mxylplyx]

I hate politicians. It might require a new revolution to wrestle control of the government from these 2 despicable parties. When they are suing smaller 3rd party candidates to keep them off the ballot, in courts controlled by their own political appointees, for "stealing" votes they think are rightfully theirs, revolution is the only recourse.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yawn. In case the Righties haven't noticed it- You're being manipulated. Yeh, that's right, exploited.

And so are illegal immigrants. They are, from a capitalist POV, the perfect working underclass. They have no rights, they'll never organize, and any who get too uppity are simply disappeared back to their native country. Poof- Gone!

And they're a near perfect excuse for paying lousy wages to the rest of us at the same time, along with the threat of simply exporting all jobs other than domestics overseas...

Repubs have zero intention of "doing something" about immigration reform, ever, or of "securing the borders", whatever that's supposed to mean... It's just the way they want it, right now- the best of both worlds, plus they get to engage in a lot of finger-pointing at the Dems... bolster support among the truly ignorant and xenophobic part of their socially reactionary base...

Anybody who thinks that's too harsh is wandering around with their eyes wide shut... getting sucked into an emotionally satsfying state of economic victimhood...

 

[Lemon law]

The US has been slowly drifting to the right for the past 30 years at least. Someone like Richard Nixon's, or even GHB's social policies would be regarded as quite liberal today.

And as others have pointed out, both parties will simply drift off in the required direction to adjust. Although the GOP of pre-civil war days came out of no where to replace and extinguish another party, I believe the predicted demise of the GOP is greatly exaggerated and simply won't happen. And once the GOP rids itself of GWB&co. who arguably hijacked the GOP, it can cop out to the excuse of blaming GWB, and go back to business as usual. Preaching fiscal conservatism, no deficit spending, and no regulation for business.

Certain GWB ideas will be totally dismantled by necessity. And largely in the foreign relations and domestic spying area. And the USA will also have to slowly adjust to the fact its losings its economic dominance because it too can't afford guns and butter. And the debt GWB has been piling up will bite us and bite us hard.

But what the GOP finds easy to sell and the democrats find hard to sell is simply the politics of selfishness. And the GOP finds somewhat fertile ground when the overall economic pie is large. But if I read the tea leaves right, the policies of GWB will shrink the pie and we will no longer be able to indulge the unlimited piggishness of the rich without seriously shorting everyone else.

But almost the entire 20'th century was spent in enacting government checks and regulations to prevent the unlimited concentration of business and wealth. And now its back because the GOP has allowed the dismantling of these regulations. And the worse we get bit as a result, the better the dems will do in the short term.

And of course the dems tend to go too far in the other direction. And then earn the label of tax and spend. And when they go too far, the GOP profits preaching fiscal conservatism.

And so it always goes in democratic governments. The politics of the public be pleased is always short term and wise public policy tends to be rare.

 

[dyna]

I think your right, the motivating factor for democrats to do nation wide amnesty is to generate votes. Its pathetic.

 

[LegendKiller]

Bush is not a Republican, quit insulting that name.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
I hate politicians.

It might require a new revolution to wrestle control of the government from these 2 despicable parties.

When they are suing smaller 3rd party candidates to keep them off the ballot, in courts controlled by their own political appointees, for "stealing" votes they think are rightfully theirs, revolution is the only recourse.

Now that Dems may take full control you say you hate politicians and you support a revolution.

You and your buds sure didn't utter both of those statements when your heroes were in full control the last six years.

 

[1EZduzit]

3 Guardsmen Face Immigrant Smuggling Rap

Torres, 26, of Laredo, told federal investigators that it was his seventh immigrant smuggling trip. Torres implicated 36-year-old Hodge, a Fort Worth resident, as the soldier who waved his van through the checkpoint.

Monkey see, monkey do?

 

[BoberFett]

If GWB is indicative of the quality of future Republican presidents, then good riddance. We don't need them. What this country needs is a party that actually believes in a small federal government, instead of just giving it lip service.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
I hate politicians.

It might require a new revolution to wrestle control of the government from these 2 despicable parties.

When they are suing smaller 3rd party candidates to keep them off the ballot, in courts controlled by their own political appointees, for "stealing" votes they think are rightfully theirs, revolution is the only recourse.

Now that Dems may take full control you say you hate politicians and you support a revolution.

You and your buds sure didn't utter both of those statements when your heroes were in full control the last six years.

Just wait until your "heroes" get control and turn their backs on the people while they serve their own interests in Washington. Looks like they are off to a good start so far. I'm capable of seeing the party I once supported for the no good pieces of shit that they are. Given how you are an apologist for every fault the democratic party has, I doubt you'll be so open minded.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
If GWB is indicative of the quality of future Republican presidents, then good riddance. We don't need them. What this country needs is a party that actually believes in a small federal government, instead of just giving it lip service.

See my post about revolution above. That is the only way to achieve what you seek.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: BoberFett
If GWB is indicative of the quality of future Republican presidents, then good riddance. We don't need them. What this country needs is a party that actually believes in a small federal government, instead of just giving it lip service.

See my post about revolution above. That is the only way to achieve what you seek.

Viva la Revolution!

You know its coming, a pot only boils for so long.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Yawn. In case the Righties haven't noticed it- You're being manipulated. Yeh, that's right, exploited.

And so are illegal immigrants. They are, from a capitalist POV, the perfect working underclass. They have no rights, they'll never organize, and any who get too uppity are simply disappeared back to their native country. Poof- Gone!

And they're a near perfect excuse for paying lousy wages to the rest of us at the same time, along with the threat of simply exporting all jobs other than domestics overseas...

Repubs have zero intention of "doing something" about immigration reform, ever, or of "securing the borders", whatever that's supposed to mean... It's just the way they want it, right now- the best of both worlds, plus they get to engage in a lot of finger-pointing at the Dems... bolster support among the truly ignorant and xenophobic part of their socially reactionary base...

Anybody who thinks that's too harsh is wandering around with their eyes wide shut... getting sucked into an emotionally satsfying state of economic victimhood...

eh...not sure why you target GOP with your spew...it's not like Democrats are a shining example of border security lol Both parties suck as far as that goes.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: BoberFett
If GWB is indicative of the quality of future Republican presidents, then good riddance. We don't need them. What this country needs is a party that actually believes in a small federal government, instead of just giving it lip service.

See my post about revolution above. That is the only way to achieve what you seek.

Chuck Hagel is a true conservative (limited Federal gov't, lower taxes, pro-gun ownership, etc). He's even anti-international intervention, and calls the disgrace that our misadventure in Iraq what it is.

If he were to gain the Republican nomination, he'd have my full support. Unfortunately, he's one of only a choice handful of sane Republicans.

If Ghouliani or anyone else gains the nomination, I'm getting behind the Democrat 100%. Hilary might be a problem, however, given her support for the mess in Iraq.

 

[dmw16]

Originally posted by: dyna

I think your right, the motivating factor for democrats to do nation wide amnesty is to generate votes. Its pathetic.

And pretending to care about moral values is how the GOP plans to generate votes. Meanwhile they screw over the working class by allowing businesses to walk all over them while shipping their sons off to die in a useless war. Well played.

 

[kage69]

I doubt it. Parties evolve over time and can change priorities a lot. Might not be another Repub president for awhile thanks to the current disaster, but I don't think that it will spell the utter demise for the GOP that it probably should.

Given the strangle hold our current 2 party system currently has on the process, I'm not holding my breath over the arrival of widely supported, viable third party.

Bush is not a Republican, quit insulting that name.

I used to feel that way too, but then actual Repubs were largely silent concerning the various fvckups by this RINO-in-chief. I no longer have any pity for them, and look forward to them reaping what they've sown.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: kage69
I doubt it. Parties evolve over time and can change priorities a lot. Might not be another Repub president for awhile thanks to the current disaster, but I don't think that it will spell the utter demise for the GOP that it probably should.

Given the strangle hold our current 2 party system currently has on the process, I'm not holding my breath over the arrival of widely supported, viable third party.

Bush is not a Republican, quit insulting that name.

I used to feel that way too, but then actual Repubs were largely silent concerning the various fvckups by this RINO-in-chief. I no longer have any pity for them, and look forward to them reaping what they've sown.

Watch this and then tell me if you still feel so :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...w&mode=related&search=

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: BoberFett
If GWB is indicative of the quality of future Republican presidents, then good riddance. We don't need them. What this country needs is a party that actually believes in a small federal government, instead of just giving it lip service.

See my post about revolution above. That is the only way to achieve what you seek.

Chuck Hagel is a true conservative (limited Federal gov't, lower taxes, pro-gun ownership, etc). He's even anti-international intervention, and calls the disgrace that our misadventure in Iraq what it is.

If he were to gain the Republican nomination, he'd have my full support. Unfortunately, he's one of only a choice handful of sane Republicans.

If Ghouliani or anyone else gains the nomination, I'm getting behind the Democrat 100%. Hilary might be a problem, however, given her support for the mess in Iraq.

Iraq is just a single big issue that overshadows all the other traitorous crap our politicians pull on a daily basis in Washington. If we knew all the activity that goes on in the backrooms of Washington when no cameras or reporters are around, we'd probably demand that they all hang.

 

[Arkaign]

Alright, try this :

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Chuck_Hagel.htm

Find something he's done in his voting record that is 'traitorous'.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Socio
It looks like the Democrats have no intention of doing anything about illegal immigration or border security until the second term of a democrat president.

Immigration reform untouchable for now

WASHINGTON, July 25 A key U.S. Democrat predicted his party won't reintroduce immigration reform until at least the second term of a prospective Democratic president.

U.S. Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, blamed Republicans for botching this year's immigration debate and said that makes it tougher for Democrats to return to the issue,

Meaning when they will have more then enough power to grant mass amnesty to 30 million plus in 2012 and guarantee them they can bring their families and extended families like the both the immigrants and Democrats want. Most all of whom will vote Democrat because Democrats give them what they want. This will ensure the Democrats have more than enough new voters to secure a new Democrat president for two more terms and a continued Democrat controlled congress.

Of course this will also create enough pro-open border pro-illegal immigrant vote power that the chances of the southern border order ever being secure and the mass importation of immigrants from south of the border and elsewhere illegally ever being stopped will be nil.

Due to this; by 2024 there will likely be yet another mass amnesty given by the Democrats for another 15-20 million or more, immigrants again most all of whom will vote Democrat. This will in turn lead to the US will becoming a full fledged one party nation, ?Democrat? by 2025.

Thus we may have already seen the last Republican controlled congress and may well be seeing our last Republican president in the history of the US.

How does delaying immigration reform mean delaying border enforement improvements?