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Originally posted by: nkgreen
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Surprised this wasn't on 4chan
I'm sure it was. The fat balding girl was.
That originated there?
Originally posted by: nkgreen
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Surprised this wasn't on 4chan
I'm sure it was. The fat balding girl was.
Originally posted by: James Bond
Originally posted by: nkgreen
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Surprised this wasn't on 4chan
I'm sure it was. The fat balding girl was.
That originated there?
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: James Bond
Originally posted by: Arkaign
- People tell me he's a troll and nobody calls. Staberella especially is quite a huge cynic and says that he wasn't going to die on that kind of drugs, she insists nothing is going to happen and that people should just gtfo of the thread.
That was one of the things that really bothered me. There was this guy from India, seemingly the ONLY person who cared, begging people to call the police. Instead of calling the cops, literally every single person just sits there watching.
What was the name of that phenomenon where you are less likely to take action in larger groups due to the lack of accountability? Whatever it was - this is a prime example.
It is called crowd mentality, where people go along with the crowd even if it conflicts with their own morals. It is what made things like the Nazi rounding up the Jews possible.
People want to belong and if they speak up in a crowd , then they stand out.
Originally posted by: Praxis1452
people make their own decisions. Get over it, you didn't know him, you didn't watch him die horribly, and he made his own choice. So what if other people didn't help him? If he was expecting to be saved by the goodness of other people then he got the answer to that one: morbid curiosity wins out over empathy(if there's even much on the internet at all).
He committed suicide; You didn't know him, stop pretending to care.
Originally posted by: dabuddha
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: BlackTigers
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: dartworth
words didn't kill this person...
How do you know for sure?
...?
really?
Have you been that close to the edge?
Words can do a lot.
QFT...dartworth you are misunderstanding that you can't be held accountable for someone doing something based on 'words' vs they don't make a difference.
i'm not misunderstanding anything...
You'll be wasting your time trying to explain it lol.
Basically, I can call someone an idiot. If they shoot themselves, my words didn't pull the trigger, their finger did (or their toe)
Originally posted by: Praxis1452
people make their own decisions. Get over it, you didn't know him, you didn't watch him die horribly, and he made his own choice. So what if other people didn't help him? If he was expecting to be saved by the goodness of other people then he got the answer to that one: morbid curiosity wins out over empathy(if there's even much on the internet at all).
He committed suicide; You didn't know him, stop pretending to care.
Originally posted by: James Bond
Originally posted by: dabuddha
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: BlackTigers
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: dartworth
words didn't kill this person...
How do you know for sure?
...?
really?
Have you been that close to the edge?
Words can do a lot.
QFT...dartworth you are misunderstanding that you can't be held accountable for someone doing something based on 'words' vs they don't make a difference.
i'm not misunderstanding anything...
You'll be wasting your time trying to explain it lol.
Basically, I can call someone an idiot. If they shoot themselves, my words didn't pull the trigger, their finger did (or their toe)
You're right. Nobody has a true responsibility to help him, but it's a sad fucking world we live in where there are 300 (?) people watching this happen, minute by minute, doing nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Like I said, I don't expect people to go the extra mile. It's just sad that there is such a massive lack of empathy.
They didn't push him off the edge, but they weren't there to help him down, either. They stood right behind him telling him to jump.
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Society seems to have evolved (devolved?) into a state where being callous/rude/hateful is looked upon as 'cool'.
To add to the subject of suicide/mental illness. Yes, in the end result of things, the responsibility lies primarily with the person who follows through on such actions, but it's not entirely that simple. When someone is severely affected by mental disorders, bipolar/severe depression, they are literally unable to see reality in an objective way. The neurotransmitters and brain chemistry is unbalanced, and most people just aren't built of strong enough character to endure/push through that kind of illness without some genuine help, either with medications to help rebalance the brain chemistry, mental health counseling, or preferably both.
It boils down to : this may not really be his fault, though the responsibility lies ultimately with him. Help is all around, but it takes courage and some fragment of hope to reach out. This guy sounds like he was sounding off, looking for something, and never finding it. In an environment as patently hostile as internet forums (AT can be as mean as a pack of rabid dogs as well), he certainly didn't find any inspiration to reach for that help.
I don't know if this will get through to anyone, but please, if you can just remember that mentally ill people are sometimes unable to make rational choices directly because of their illness. They shouldn't be blamed uniformly for acts of depression and self-destruction, and they certainly should *NEVER* be egged on to cause harm to themselves or others.
Originally posted by: tk149
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Society seems to have evolved (devolved?) into a state where being callous/rude/hateful is looked upon as 'cool'.
To add to the subject of suicide/mental illness. Yes, in the end result of things, the responsibility lies primarily with the person who follows through on such actions, but it's not entirely that simple. When someone is severely affected by mental disorders, bipolar/severe depression, they are literally unable to see reality in an objective way. The neurotransmitters and brain chemistry is unbalanced, and most people just aren't built of strong enough character to endure/push through that kind of illness without some genuine help, either with medications to help rebalance the brain chemistry, mental health counseling, or preferably both.
It boils down to : this may not really be his fault, though the responsibility lies ultimately with him. Help is all around, but it takes courage and some fragment of hope to reach out. This guy sounds like he was sounding off, looking for something, and never finding it. In an environment as patently hostile as internet forums (AT can be as mean as a pack of rabid dogs as well), he certainly didn't find any inspiration to reach for that help.
I don't know if this will get through to anyone, but please, if you can just remember that mentally ill people are sometimes unable to make rational choices directly because of their illness. They shouldn't be blamed uniformly for acts of depression and self-destruction, and they certainly should *NEVER* be egged on to cause harm to themselves or others.
As someone who once was depressed almost to the point of suicide, I can vouch for the information in this post. When I was severely depressed, my brain did not function normally. I had trouble thinking logically. My memory was questionable. And the amount of pain was unendurable. If I hadn't gotten help, I'd be dead now.
A depressed person who commits suicide bears ultimate responsibility for his actions, but his judgement is impaired.
The closest analogy I can think of that would mean anything to most AT'ers is this: Have you ever done anything stupid while drunk?
Originally posted by: nkgreen
slightly more detailed
http://abcnews.go.com/Technolo...tory?id=6306126&page=1
Originally posted by: vshah
all you douchebags saying stuff like "well he deserved it" and "what a coward" and "i bet he's in hell now", what the fvck is wrong with you. you're telling me that if you learned one of your close friends was planning suicide, you'd go up to him and be like "hey man, you're a fucking coward, burn in hell, cya."
:disgust:
why would you treat a stranger any differently than you would treat a close friend?
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: vshah
all you douchebags saying stuff like "well he deserved it" and "what a coward" and "i bet he's in hell now", what the fvck is wrong with you. you're telling me that if you learned one of your close friends was planning suicide, you'd go up to him and be like "hey man, you're a fucking coward, burn in hell, cya."
:disgust:
why would you treat a stranger any differently than you would treat a close friend?
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Originally posted by: vshah
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: vshah
all you douchebags saying stuff like "well he deserved it" and "what a coward" and "i bet he's in hell now", what the fvck is wrong with you. you're telling me that if you learned one of your close friends was planning suicide, you'd go up to him and be like "hey man, you're a fucking coward, burn in hell, cya."
:disgust:
why would you treat a stranger any differently than you would treat a close friend?
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when it comes to life and death situations...
