Guy posts thread about killing himself on cam, actually does it

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Praxis1452

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Jan 31, 2006
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people make their own decisions. Get over it, you didn't know him, you didn't watch him die horribly, and he made his own choice. So what if other people didn't help him? If he was expecting to be saved by the goodness of other people then he got the answer to that one: morbid curiosity wins out over empathy(if there's even much on the internet at all).

He committed suicide; You didn't know him, stop pretending to care.
 

Lumathix

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Mar 16, 2004
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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: James Bond
Originally posted by: Arkaign

- People tell me he's a troll and nobody calls. Staberella especially is quite a huge cynic and says that he wasn't going to die on that kind of drugs, she insists nothing is going to happen and that people should just gtfo of the thread.

That was one of the things that really bothered me. There was this guy from India, seemingly the ONLY person who cared, begging people to call the police. Instead of calling the cops, literally every single person just sits there watching.

What was the name of that phenomenon where you are less likely to take action in larger groups due to the lack of accountability? Whatever it was - this is a prime example.



It is called crowd mentality, where people go along with the crowd even if it conflicts with their own morals. It is what made things like the Nazi rounding up the Jews possible.

People want to belong and if they speak up in a crowd , then they stand out.


This is sad, disgusting and very true.
 

thecoolnessrune

Diamond Member
Jun 8, 2005
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Originally posted by: Praxis1452
people make their own decisions. Get over it, you didn't know him, you didn't watch him die horribly, and he made his own choice. So what if other people didn't help him? If he was expecting to be saved by the goodness of other people then he got the answer to that one: morbid curiosity wins out over empathy(if there's even much on the internet at all).

He committed suicide; You didn't know him, stop pretending to care.

/iamhardcore
 

rasczak

Lifer
Jan 29, 2005
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Originally posted by: dabuddha
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: BlackTigers
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: dartworth

words didn't kill this person...

How do you know for sure?


...?


really?

Have you been that close to the edge?

Words can do a lot.

QFT...dartworth you are misunderstanding that you can't be held accountable for someone doing something based on 'words' vs they don't make a difference.

i'm not misunderstanding anything...

You'll be wasting your time trying to explain it lol.

Basically, I can call someone an idiot. If they shoot themselves, my words didn't pull the trigger, their finger did (or their toe)

that's way different from someone on the verge of killing themselves, and you saying "DO IT NOW F***ER" big big difference imo.
 

Arkaign

Lifer
Oct 27, 2006
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Society seems to have evolved (devolved?) into a state where being callous/rude/hateful is looked upon as 'cool'.

To add to the subject of suicide/mental illness. Yes, in the end result of things, the responsibility lies primarily with the person who follows through on such actions, but it's not entirely that simple. When someone is severely affected by mental disorders, bipolar/severe depression, they are literally unable to see reality in an objective way. The neurotransmitters and brain chemistry is unbalanced, and most people just aren't built of strong enough character to endure/push through that kind of illness without some genuine help, either with medications to help rebalance the brain chemistry, mental health counseling, or preferably both.

It boils down to : this may not really be his fault, though the responsibility lies ultimately with him. Help is all around, but it takes courage and some fragment of hope to reach out. This guy sounds like he was sounding off, looking for something, and never finding it. In an environment as patently hostile as internet forums (AT can be as mean as a pack of rabid dogs as well), he certainly didn't find any inspiration to reach for that help.

I don't know if this will get through to anyone, but please, if you can just remember that mentally ill people are sometimes unable to make rational choices directly because of their illness. They shouldn't be blamed uniformly for acts of depression and self-destruction, and they certainly should *NEVER* be egged on to cause harm to themselves or others.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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what's funny is these people will play that this guy had it coming and then in the next breath be all 'Good Samaritan' in another thread.
 

grrl

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Jun 21, 2001
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Originally posted by: Praxis1452
people make their own decisions. Get over it, you didn't know him, you didn't watch him die horribly, and he made his own choice. So what if other people didn't help him? If he was expecting to be saved by the goodness of other people then he got the answer to that one: morbid curiosity wins out over empathy(if there's even much on the internet at all).

He committed suicide; You didn't know him, stop pretending to care.

Wow, your coolness is overwhelming.
 

dabuddha

Lifer
Apr 10, 2000
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Originally posted by: James Bond
Originally posted by: dabuddha
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: BlackTigers
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: dartworth

words didn't kill this person...

How do you know for sure?


...?


really?

Have you been that close to the edge?

Words can do a lot.

QFT...dartworth you are misunderstanding that you can't be held accountable for someone doing something based on 'words' vs they don't make a difference.

i'm not misunderstanding anything...

You'll be wasting your time trying to explain it lol.

Basically, I can call someone an idiot. If they shoot themselves, my words didn't pull the trigger, their finger did (or their toe)

You're right. Nobody has a true responsibility to help him, but it's a sad fucking world we live in where there are 300 (?) people watching this happen, minute by minute, doing nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Like I said, I don't expect people to go the extra mile. It's just sad that there is such a massive lack of empathy.

They didn't push him off the edge, but they weren't there to help him down, either. They stood right behind him telling him to jump.

Agreed. Reminds me of that crappy movie Untraceable.
 

tk149

Diamond Member
Apr 3, 2002
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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Society seems to have evolved (devolved?) into a state where being callous/rude/hateful is looked upon as 'cool'.

To add to the subject of suicide/mental illness. Yes, in the end result of things, the responsibility lies primarily with the person who follows through on such actions, but it's not entirely that simple. When someone is severely affected by mental disorders, bipolar/severe depression, they are literally unable to see reality in an objective way. The neurotransmitters and brain chemistry is unbalanced, and most people just aren't built of strong enough character to endure/push through that kind of illness without some genuine help, either with medications to help rebalance the brain chemistry, mental health counseling, or preferably both.

It boils down to : this may not really be his fault, though the responsibility lies ultimately with him. Help is all around, but it takes courage and some fragment of hope to reach out. This guy sounds like he was sounding off, looking for something, and never finding it. In an environment as patently hostile as internet forums (AT can be as mean as a pack of rabid dogs as well), he certainly didn't find any inspiration to reach for that help.

I don't know if this will get through to anyone, but please, if you can just remember that mentally ill people are sometimes unable to make rational choices directly because of their illness. They shouldn't be blamed uniformly for acts of depression and self-destruction, and they certainly should *NEVER* be egged on to cause harm to themselves or others.

As someone who once was depressed almost to the point of suicide, I can vouch for the information in this post. When I was severely depressed, my brain did not function normally. I had trouble thinking logically. My memory was questionable. And the amount of pain was unendurable. If I hadn't gotten help, I'd be dead now.

A depressed person who commits suicide bears ultimate responsibility for his actions, but his judgement is impaired.

The closest analogy I can think of that would mean anything to most AT'ers is this: Have you ever done anything stupid while drunk?

 

Arkaign

Lifer
Oct 27, 2006
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Originally posted by: tk149
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Society seems to have evolved (devolved?) into a state where being callous/rude/hateful is looked upon as 'cool'.

To add to the subject of suicide/mental illness. Yes, in the end result of things, the responsibility lies primarily with the person who follows through on such actions, but it's not entirely that simple. When someone is severely affected by mental disorders, bipolar/severe depression, they are literally unable to see reality in an objective way. The neurotransmitters and brain chemistry is unbalanced, and most people just aren't built of strong enough character to endure/push through that kind of illness without some genuine help, either with medications to help rebalance the brain chemistry, mental health counseling, or preferably both.

It boils down to : this may not really be his fault, though the responsibility lies ultimately with him. Help is all around, but it takes courage and some fragment of hope to reach out. This guy sounds like he was sounding off, looking for something, and never finding it. In an environment as patently hostile as internet forums (AT can be as mean as a pack of rabid dogs as well), he certainly didn't find any inspiration to reach for that help.

I don't know if this will get through to anyone, but please, if you can just remember that mentally ill people are sometimes unable to make rational choices directly because of their illness. They shouldn't be blamed uniformly for acts of depression and self-destruction, and they certainly should *NEVER* be egged on to cause harm to themselves or others.

As someone who once was depressed almost to the point of suicide, I can vouch for the information in this post. When I was severely depressed, my brain did not function normally. I had trouble thinking logically. My memory was questionable. And the amount of pain was unendurable. If I hadn't gotten help, I'd be dead now.

A depressed person who commits suicide bears ultimate responsibility for his actions, but his judgement is impaired.

The closest analogy I can think of that would mean anything to most AT'ers is this: Have you ever done anything stupid while drunk?

Thank you :)

To add to your excellent analogy, while the drunk person chooses to get drunk, the mentally ill person doesn't have the luxury of that choice. Alcoholics who are in recovery will tell you that nobody forces them to drink, but their illness makes it difficult for them to stop.
 

frostedflakes

Diamond Member
Mar 1, 2005
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It's all very tragic, but stuff like this is just ridiculous.

"But Biggs' family was infuriated that neither viewers nor the site acted sooner to save him."

Really? Where were his friends/family during this time? These people knew about his condition and would be in the best position to judge his state of mind. They are supposed to be his support structure, not some random people on an internet forum.
 

vshah

Lifer
Sep 20, 2003
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all you douchebags saying stuff like "well he deserved it" and "what a coward" and "i bet he's in hell now", what the fvck is wrong with you. you're telling me that if you learned one of your close friends was planning suicide, you'd go up to him and be like "hey man, you're a fucking coward, burn in hell, cya."
:disgust:
why would you treat a stranger any differently than you would treat a close friend?
 

OCGuy

Lifer
Jul 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: vshah
all you douchebags saying stuff like "well he deserved it" and "what a coward" and "i bet he's in hell now", what the fvck is wrong with you. you're telling me that if you learned one of your close friends was planning suicide, you'd go up to him and be like "hey man, you're a fucking coward, burn in hell, cya."
:disgust:
why would you treat a stranger any differently than you would treat a close friend?

:confused:
 

vshah

Lifer
Sep 20, 2003
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: vshah
all you douchebags saying stuff like "well he deserved it" and "what a coward" and "i bet he's in hell now", what the fvck is wrong with you. you're telling me that if you learned one of your close friends was planning suicide, you'd go up to him and be like "hey man, you're a fucking coward, burn in hell, cya."
:disgust:
why would you treat a stranger any differently than you would treat a close friend?

:confused:

when it comes to life and death situations...
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: vshah
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: vshah
all you douchebags saying stuff like "well he deserved it" and "what a coward" and "i bet he's in hell now", what the fvck is wrong with you. you're telling me that if you learned one of your close friends was planning suicide, you'd go up to him and be like "hey man, you're a fucking coward, burn in hell, cya."
:disgust:
why would you treat a stranger any differently than you would treat a close friend?

:confused:

when it comes to life and death situations...

because you can be unbiased with a stranger where you can't with a friend