[Guru3d] Crysis DX11 Benchmarks (AMD vs Nvidia)

[Troll Trolling]

There is a bigger performance difference between the 570 and 6970 in DX9 than there is in DX11. Tessellation is not root cause of this discrepancy.

This.
Saw this before but was too lazy to post about it.

Damn. Now I wrote a post longer than if I just pointed it before.

 

[Mr. President]

Didn't nVidia recently enable multithreaded rendering in their DX11 drivers? Couldn't that explain some of the discrepancy?

I don't know what kind of of number of draw calls a game like Crysis 2 is pulling but, if it's anything like the originals, I could easily imagine it being a factor. 'Object detail' and 'shadow detail' could easily double that number in the originals and I remember seeing a similar drop in performance when I raised them.

 

[dualsmp]

Thought it was pretty strange they didn't include a GTX 460 in the benchmarks. I just ran the Adrenaline Benchmark and used Guru's settings except used 1920x1080p. My 460 1GB @825core/1000mem (266.58 drivers) with i3 @4.0Ghz it ran 36.0fps.

Looks about right since they're pushing more pixels at 1920x1200. OC'ed 460 should be close to 470.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/crysis-2-dx11-vga-and-cpu-performance-benchmarks/9

 

[RussianSensation]

After messing around with a multi-GPU setup again for a while....I can now honestly say it is worth the premium to have a single faster GPU.

OCGuy, you should sell those 5850s soon then. Bitcoin mining has ensured that they are temporarily worth more than their 'true' market price. Maybe you can sell them and upgrade on the cheap to the 580.

 

[(sic)Klown12]

Didn't nVidia recently enable multithreaded rendering in their DX11 drivers? Couldn't that explain some of the discrepancy?

I believe that it's only enabled for Civ 5. DICE has said that they're still working with both AMD and Nvidia to enable that feature so they can take advantage of it for Frostbite 2.

 

[SlowSpyder]

When AMD and nV help support developers to push the graphics envelope, it is hardly a "problem." It is exactly what we need more of, and AMD realizes this as well.

This.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with AMD or Nvidia working with developers on a title to optimize it's performance on their hardware. I do have a problem with intentionally crippling the other camp's hardware, though (which Nvidia seems to have done in the past)... but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

There's really nothing to argue about here, I see a lot of fanboyism and it's simply not needed. Nvidia worked with the developers, their cards are faster in this game as of now. I'm sure AMD will improve their performance in upcoming drivers.

 

[SlowSpyder]

OCGuy, you should sell those 5850s soon then. Bitcoin mining has ensured that they are temporarily worth more than their 'true' market price. Maybe you can sell them and upgrade on the cheap to the 580.

Holy ****! I just checked Ebay to see what these cards are going for. Looking at the cards that actually have bids, the 5870's are selling for ~$100 more than GTX470's and a good deal more than GTX480's even.

I don't want to drag this thread off topic, but now my gears are turning... sell cards or continue bitcoin mining... I guess that's for another thread.

 

[AtenRa]

Crysis 2 DX-11 doesn’t use low polygon graphics and Tessellation to scale up the image quality, it uses the same High Polygon graphics in DX-9 and Tessellate on top of that.

This is why we have a huge drop in performance between DX-9 and DX-11 in that game.

 

[RussianSensation]

I don't want to drag this thread off topic, but now my gears are turning... sell cards or continue bitcoin mining... I guess that's for another thread.

Just sell those 5870s and get a free upgrade to 6950s/6970s. For bitcoin mining, the performance difference isn't that significant; so you can continue to mine. I am getting 380 Mhash/sec on a 6950 unlocked into a 6970. You'll get better CF scaling and 2GBs of RAM, better Tessellation performance, and possibly cooler and quieter cards if you get aftermarket heatsinks like TwinFrozr III 6950 2GB

 

[Dribble]

What I think is a bit sad is we have here what is the prettiest most complete DX11 game yet. Crytek (and nvidia) didn't settle for a DX9 console port but really put some effort into making something special for the pc market.

Yet all people have done is whine about it - any AMD fanboy because nvidia had a hand in making it happen - [H] the supposed center for high end PC gaming couldn't even be bothered reviewing it - crysis 1 has suddenly become the best game ever (which it want - plenty of whine about game play in that at the time) and hence crysis 2 is fail, etc, etc.

It's a real shame - how hard are the guys at crytek/nvidia/etc going to work for us PC gamers when even their best work just gets irrationally panned.

 

[Skurge]

It's a real shame - how hard are the guys at crytek/nvidia/etc going to work for us PC gamers when even their best work just gets irrationally panned.

Their still making money off us, so I don't they need anyone's sympathy.

 

[Dribble]

Their still making money off us, so I don't they need anyone's sympathy.

Not that much - not if half the PC population boycotts their product. They have lots of ways of making money, we aren't the best. I bet the devs on crysis 2 were really keen to do a nice DX11 renderer - they will have pushed that through, saying it's worth it for the halo effect having the best looking game on the market gives you. Well there's no halo effect for crysis 2.

Kyle probably doesn't realise how much damage he's doing to what he is supposed to care about (high end PC gaming) by putting that big FAIL on DX11 crysis 2. As the alleged peoples voice of high end PC gaming he just told the heads of various software companies that it's not worth it. That we are a bunch of arrogant sob's who'll take all their effort and throw it back in their faces (while not spending a penny).

Several games studios (e.g. Epic) have already abandoned us, now we have just told another to do the same. When we whine about console ports we only have ourselves to blame.

 

[AtenRa]

I have payed the demo for 5 minutes, game play sucks big time and no DX-11 patch will change that.

 

[-Slacker-]

Re: "Wreckage, is that you? "

Referencing Wreckage (whose reputation here is widely regarded as negative) and insinuating that a member is "Wreckage-like" qualifies as a mild personal attack. This comment was unnecessary.

The only reason I am not infracting you for it is because OILFIELDTRASH did not bother reporting it. Please don't do this again. It can only serve to incite further fanboy wars and fuel the fire.

Moderator jvroig

It's obviously Wreckade and, as for inciting fanboy wars, don't forget why you banned him in the first place.


1. This is not the place to discuss this.

2. You are furthering a derail (exactly what I said such comments and accusations will spark)

3. Their IPs are not even close to each other, and you saying "obviously Wreckade" does not constitute valid proof.

This carries no infraction for you at the moment, but consider this your warning against:
-contributing to / furthering existing thread derails
-discussing mod business in the tech forums instead of Moderator Discussions forum
-member callout - publicly accusing members of being a shady character

I am not unsympathetic to what you feel. But all of us need to follow the set guidelines, otherwise there will be more chaos than order, and there are protocols you can follow to report returning banned members.

Moderator jvroig

 

[GaiaHunter]

Not that much - not if half the PC population boycotts their product. They have lots of ways of making money, we aren't the best. I bet the devs on crysis 2 were really keen to do a nice DX11 renderer - they will have pushed that through, saying it's worth it for the halo effect having the best looking game on the market gives you. Well there's no halo effect for crysis 2.

Kyle probably doesn't realise how much damage he's doing to what he is supposed to care about (high end PC gaming) by putting that big FAIL on DX11 crysis 2. As the alleged peoples voice of high end PC gaming he just told the heads of various software companies that it's not worth it. That we are a bunch of arrogant sob's who'll take all their effort and throw it back in their faces (while not spending a penny).

Several games studios (e.g. Epic) have already abandoned us, now we have just told another to do the same. When we whine about console ports we only have ourselves to blame.

Those same sob's you talk about payed $50-60 for a game?

I've played a bit of Crysis 2 - I got it as a gift. It is very good looking, but it isn't particularly engaging.

Look at the reasons for the Fail

Crytek made statements that Crysis 2 would have full DX11 support when it shipped. (Conveniently now, that video has been removed from YouTube.) The company even delayed the game for "more time to polish." People that believed the "full DX11 support" pre-ordered the game got a DX9 game instead without any explanation. Then there was the Day 1 patch to remove "press start to begin," auto aim, and other useless console features. Then came the kick in the nuts from Crytek when the CEO proclaimed to the world that these patches were "a gift" coming months later. In the end, what many of us ended up with was hours of our valuable time wasted trying to install broken / rushed patches. frown And many of us spent $60 on a game that was no where near worth the considerable cost. Yes, it is prettier now, but the gameplay and surrounding world is just not on par with what was pitched by Crytek or expected by PC gamers.

I guess by now we should just accept that this is par for the course with Crytek but you have to admit that something is seriously wrong when customer's lives are so much easier when they simply don't buy your games and don't accept your "gifts."

Gameplay - but I guess that isn't important in a game.
Game story and atmosphere.

I didn't play the original Crysis, but I played FarCry. FarCry was pretty decent (until the mutants bits at least) and a lot more engaging then Crysis 2.

 

[NIGELG]

Ati AND nVIDIA should stick to making videocards and stop messing around with game development.....

 

[apoppin]

Ati AND nVIDIA should stick to making videocards and stop messing around with game development.....

Ridiculous. AMD and Nvidia are *the* reason that game development advances quickly for PC - or else we really would have just console clones and no progress at all.

[H] the supposed center for high end PC gaming couldn't even be bothered reviewing it - crysis 1 has suddenly become the best game ever (which it want - plenty of whine about game play in that at the time) and hence crysis 2 is fail, etc, etc.

It is their loss. i wanted to review it, but i am too late to the game as 2 major sites covered it thoroughly. So i am reviewing Crysis 2 for 3D Vision - which now works with DX11 with the latest beta 275.50 drivers as confirmed by THG early this morning

Crysis 2 is an decent shooter that has sold well and is only now being discounted a bit; it is easily as good as Crysis and perhaps better as a game - the visuals in the second one are definitely much better. i'll let you know about 3D Vision in a bit; it is said to be outstanding.

 

[amenx]

Crysis2 is for me the best out of the three in gameplay and 'involvement'. What really draws me into the game in terms of realism (maybe even more than the visuals) is the awesome sound/audio quality. Big thumbs up to the audio team who worked on it.

 

[SirPauly]

Ati AND nVIDIA should stick to making videocards and stop messing around with game development.....

I think nVidia and AMD should do even more to create awareness and innovation for PC gaming and what's the point of having the hardware if games don't take advantage of their capabilities?

The IHV's help move things faster with their assistance.

 

[SirPauly]

Those same sob's you talk about payed $50-60 for a game?

I've played a bit of Crysis 2 - I got it as a gift. It is very good looking, but it isn't particularly engaging.

Look at the reasons for the Fail





Gameplay - but I guess that isn't important in a game.
Game story and atmosphere.

I didn't play the original Crysis, but I played FarCry. FarCry was pretty decent (until the mutants bits at least) and a lot more engaging then Crysis 2.

I believe it received a fail was more-so based on the install of the update to some.

 

[GaiaHunter]

I believe it received a fail was more-so based on the install of the update to some.

That is also true.

Although it seems to be fixed - at least I didn't have any problems installing it.

 

[SirPauly]

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1037448992&postcount=101

I don't think the article was very objective but based on their frustration on the install maybe clouded their over-all view on the update.

 

[Kenmitch]

I think nVidia and AMD should do even more to create awareness and innovation for PC gaming and what's the point of having the hardware if games don't take advantage of their capabilities? The IHV's help move things faster with their assistance.

I agree 100% with this almost....It's just the way it's implemented by the lazy game developers! Things like dx11 should be on the hands of the developers and should be included from game launch or supplied with a nuetral patch from the developer if needed.

I see nothing wrong with either AMD or Nvidia helping the developer or tweaking the code to work better on their hardware but it should be implemented as a optional patch on a already complete game....If that make any sense.

 

[PingviN]

Ridiculous. AMD and Nvidia are *the* reason that game development advances quickly for PC - or else we really would have just console clones and no progress at all.

Wait... what? All we get is console clones with no progress at all, except for some DX11 features in a game made for consoles months after release.

Honestly, I feel like AMD and Nvidia is wasting good money on "supporting" game developers. Only semi-retarded run'n'gun:ers which screams "You're a PC, but I'm an eggsbox, herp derp!" turn up anyways. Except for the Medieval series, bless Creative Assembly.

 

[Keysplayr]

Wait... what? All we get is console clones with no progress at all, except for some DX11 features in a game made for consoles months after release.

Honestly, I feel like AMD and Nvidia is wasting good money on "supporting" game developers. Only semi-retarded run'n'gun:ers which screams "You're a PC, but I'm an eggsbox, herp derp!" turn up anyways. Except for the Medieval series, bless Creative Assembly.

Woojamynd running that by us again? I really don't have any idea what you just said. LOL.