[Guru3d] Crysis DX11 Benchmarks (AMD vs Nvidia)

[Firestorm007]

AMD will catch up with their drivers just like they did with Crysis 1. A little Tessellation isn't going to make people with their much cheaper and almost equally performing 6970 (compared to the 580), go and chuck it out the window. People need to get a grip.

 

[Kenmitch]

New review at Tom's, for those who are interested in additional analysis: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crysis-2-directx-11-performance,2983.html

Like the way the pictures change from features on/off as it lets a person get an idea of what they'll get for the hit on fps

 

[Grooveriding]

AMD will catch up with their drivers just like they did with Crysis 1. A little Tessellation isn't going to make people with their much cheaper and almost equally performing 6970 (compared to the 580), go and chuck it out the window. People need to get a grip.

I think nv will always have the 10% lead they have in this game due to tessellation. The same way AMD will always be faster in Crysis 1 due to their better texture throughput.

He should of done some dual-gpu benches as well. No idea why he would of left those out. I know guru3d sold their soul to nvidia long ago, but at least show us the sort of scaling you are seeing in SLI and CF, I know SLI scaling is about 60-70%, would like to see what CF is doing.

 

[OCGuy]

It's unfortunate that some user's misuse and inproper setup of a multi-gpu system leads to comments like this that may put the perfectly capable user off of trying to use one themselves.

Multi-gpu is flawless for me, apart from having to wait for nvidia to get their act together on their as of late terrible drivers and fix SLI scaling in a few games, Witcher 2, etc.

It's unfortunate that some users can use words like "flawless", but then go on to list flaws.

Suggesting I am an incapable multi-GPU user, instead of acknowledging the inherent flaws with multi-GPU setups that are out of control of the user, and then two sentences later doing exactly that to justify your current issues....

I need an advil....

I will ignore your personal attack on my technical capabilities, so as to avoid mod attention....but just know that I am making a face at you right now, through the internet. So ha.

 

[Termie]

Like the way the pictures change from features on/off as it lets a person get an idea of what they'll get for the hit on fps

Agreed - these are the best examples I've seen of the differences between DX9 and DX11, as well as the new DX9 Ultra setting versus the shipped version.

I think nv will always have the 10% lead they have in this game due to tessellation. The same way AMD will always be faster in Crysis 1 due to their better texture throughput.

He should of done some dual-gpu benches as well. No idea why he would of left those out. I know guru3d sold their soul to nvidia long ago, but at least show us the sort of scaling you are seeing in SLI and CF, I know SLI scaling is about 60-70%, would like to see what CF is doing.

Crossfire and SLI scaling can be seen in the Tom's review: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crysis-2-directx-11-performance,2983-6.html. Looks like 75% for GTX460/HD6850, while the 6970 is about 83%.

 

[GaiaHunter]

I think nv will always have the 10% lead they have in this game due to tessellation. The same way AMD will always be faster in Crysis 1 due to their better texture throughput.

Does tessellation also explain the DX9 differences?

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

I think nv will always have the 10% lead they have in this game due to tessellation. The same way AMD will always be faster in Crysis 1 due to their better texture throughput.

He should of done some dual-gpu benches as well. No idea why he would of left those out. I know guru3d sold their soul to nvidia long ago, but at least show us the sort of scaling you are seeing in SLI and CF, I know SLI scaling is about 60-70%, would like to see what CF is doing.

I don't think tesselation is the problem. I think TWIMTBP is the problem. In Metro 2033 Nvidia and AMD cards preform very closely to each other.

 

[OCGuy]

I don't think tesselation is the problem. I think TWIMTBP is the problem. In Metro 2033 Nvidia and AMD cards preform very closely to each other.

When AMD and nV help support developers to push the graphics envelope, it is hardly a "problem." It is exactly what we need more of, and AMD realizes this as well.

 

[Kenmitch]

When AMD and nV help support developers to push the graphics envelope, it is hardly a "problem." It is exactly what we need more of, and AMD realizes this as well.

I don't think that pushing the graphics in games is the issue at all. The issue would be the implementation that seems to benefit the PUSHER more than the visual outcome if that makes any sense at all.

The displeasure is always steared towards either AMD or Nvidia and not the lazy game developers that welcome the $'s and the xtra man power.

 

[OCGuy]

I don't think that pushing the graphics in games is the issue at all. The issue would be the implementation that seems to benefit the PUSHER more than the visual outcome if that makes any sense at all.

The displeasure is always steared towards either AMD or Nvidia and not the lazy game developers that welcome the $'s and the xtra man power.

Of course if you are putting up the $$$, they will optimize it on your hardware. I see no problem here. I wish it was done more.

Both AMD and nV know that the graphics need to be pushed to differentiate PC from console...otherwise all of us are going to stop buying $200-$1500 GPU setups.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

You mean finally the first game that actually justifies the massive price premium of the GTX580 over the 6970? :thumbsup:

Keep in mind the 6870 X2 still beat the 580. That means HD6950 CF would be even faster than a single 580 for the same price.

GTX560 Ti in SLI would own the 580 in this game also Looks like NV does indeed win (i.e., $200 profit in their pocket from the 580) based on everyone who purchased the obscenely overpriced 580.

A win is a win. Like it or not nvidia wins again and again. Fastest gpu (590), fastest single gpu (580), best drivers, Incredible 3D gaming, etc..

 

[Firestorm007]

A win is a win. Like it or not nvidia wins again and again. Fastest gpu (590), fastest single gpu (580), best drivers, Incredible 3D gaming, etc..

Were you reading that off a cue card ? That was pretty funny, even though I'm sure it wasn't meant to be...Oh ya, one small caveat...If you're talking about C2 then by all means the 590 is faster, otherwise, I'm afraid to break it to you, THE 6990 is the fastest single/dual solution.

 

[SirPauly]

When AMD and nV help support developers to push the graphics envelope, it is hardly a "problem." It is exactly what we need more of, and AMD realizes this as well.

Agree with this 100 percent because the major goal is to try to differentiate from consoles more-so than just AMD vs nVidia to some. For nVidia and AMD to invest into the PC platform and help developers for the their PC games helps promote PC abilities and their gaming titles.

How many titles would have DirectX 11 features, multi-monitor support, Stereo3d or PhysX without the help of the IHV's?

 

[96Firebird]

Why oh why do people get butt-hurt when their team loses?

Talk about Crysis 2, DX11, SLI/Crossfire, AMD or NV, talk about how TWIMTBP or Gaming Evolved is good or evil, or talk about the supposed briberies - in other words, talk about the topic and related materials, but do not post solely about members here, especially to attack or insult them, or to insinuate anything negative about them.

This is a derail, and serves nothing more than to incite fanboy wars or fanning the flames.

Moderator jvroig

 

[SirPauly]

That's to be expected! For me it doesn't make much difference as long as gaming is moving forward. When AMD had superior performance in Dragon Age 2 or Shogun, was happy to see DirectX 11 abilities. The key is the market needs strong competition from AMD and nVidia to drive competition, innovation and value. Enjoy when both offer compelling choice, strengths, differentiation from features to over-all strategies and vision; when fans and companies bang heads with each other because it means they're both relevant. The worse thing is when no one talks about your products and irrelevant.

Just pleased to read passion about PC technologies in general.

 

[96Firebird]

I agree, its just annoying when people claim outrageous acts by their team's competitors. Such as...

OMG AMD paid Bioware $19 million for DA2 to work better on AMD hardware!

or...

Nvidia is paying off every known review site!

I mean, really...


The internet is full of annoyances because of the presence of people with different cultures, education, experiences, and opinions. Just because you can't handle these differences of opinions doesn't mean you can contribute to thread derails at your leisure.

Moderator jvroig

 

[PingviN]

A win is a win. Like it or not nvidia wins again and again. Fastest gpu (590), fastest single gpu (580), best drivers, Incredible 3D gaming, etc..

Wreckage, is that you?

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I'm all in for making games look better, but it would be nice if AMD and Nvidia let each other have final code when it's done so drivers can be optimized when the game is released. From a consumer standpoint that is.

This is the reason why Nvidia performed ridiculously poorly in DA2 and why AMD is lagging behind in Crysis 2 (hey, at least C2 is playable on AMD hardware:thumbsup. I'm sure Nvidia gave themselves a nice head start with Crysis 2 DX11 code before allowing AMD access.


Re: "Wreckage, is that you? "

Referencing Wreckage (whose reputation here is widely regarded as negative) and insinuating that a member is "Wreckage-like" qualifies as a mild personal attack. This comment was unnecessary.

The only reason I am not infracting you for it is because OILFIELDTRASH did not bother reporting it. Please don't do this again. It can only serve to incite further fanboy wars and fuel the fire.

Moderator jvroig

 

[Grooveriding]

A win is a win. Like it or not nvidia wins again and again. Fastest gpu (590), fastest single gpu (580), best drivers, Incredible 3D gaming, etc..

Why are you fanboying so hard in this thread, this sort of rot is what causes trouble.

6990 is faster than a 590, this has been shown time and again. In demanding games the 6990 is overall the faster of the cards. NV's drivers have been piss poor as of late, exploding gtx 590s, terrible scaling in new games waiting forever for fixes - dragon age 2, shogun 2, witcher 2, crysis 2.

I won't go into 3D, because it's subjective, it's pretty unimpressive in my experience. But I play a lot of online shooters and 3D is a hindrance in those games.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Solid numbers from the Nvida gpu's. I guess the AMD driver team must be putting extra hours.

 

[Genx87]

Why are you fanboying so hard in this thread, this sort of rot is what causes trouble.

6990 is faster than a 590, this has been shown time and again. In demanding games the 6990 is overall the faster of the cards. NV's drivers have been piss poor as of late, exploding gtx 590s, terrible scaling in new games waiting forever for fixes - dragon age 2, shogun 2, witcher 2, crysis 2.

I won't go into 3D, because it's subjective, it's pretty unimpressive in my experience. But I play a lot of online shooters and 3D is a hindrance in those games.

Except in the latest greatest DX11 title.

This thread is funny. The usual suspects spouting the usual excuses on why Nvidia is winning. They paid for it, cheating, AMD drivers not working as fast as they could. Doesnt it get tiring always making an excuse for a company?

I got sick of it right after the Core 2 Duo came out and squashed AMD. AMD can fend for themselves. When they feel like not being a second rate producer of silicon. They will beat Intel and Nvidia all the time. Until then, leave them to their own.

Anyways I think this is a pretty good indication on what we can expect out of the two camps with regards to DX11. This is also why I think AMD is moving towards a more fermi like arch with their core next gen, or whatever they are calling it. "Scalable" tesselators on their cards? That is unpossible! Why Dick Fuddy was telling us how single and dual tesselators is "done right" just a few months ago

 

[cusideabelincoln]

So you guys are mad at Nvidia because AMD's architecture has inferior tessellation handling capabilities?

Yeah that makes lots of sense

New review at Tom's, for those who are interested in additional analysis: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ance,2983.html

There is a bigger performance difference between the 570 and 6970 in DX9 than there is in DX11. Tessellation is not root cause of this discrepancy.

 

[AnandThenMan]

AMD will catch up with their drivers just like they did with Crysis 1.

Definitely. I actually think the AMD hardware is doing very well considering they have not had a chance to put in driver optimizations.

Nvidia wins again.

A win is a win. Like it or not nvidia wins again and again. Fastest gpu (590), fastest single gpu (580), best drivers, Incredible 3D gaming, etc..

Stop trolling.

 

[Gikaseixas]

The usual suspects spouting the usual excuses on why Nvidia is winning. They paid for it, cheating, AMD drivers not working as fast as they could. Doesnt it get tiring always making an excuse for a company?

You get this from both sides and yet i don't recall seeing you making that sort of comments when it's the other way around. You acuse others from being just like you, a fanboy.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Anyways I think this is a pretty good indication on what we can expect out of the two camps with regards to DX11

So, one game makes you get to that conclusion??? There are more reasons why we see one brand performing better in some games and worse in others.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Guru3d has posted some Crysis DX11 benchmarks with 16 GPUs (as well as some CPUs):

http://www.guru3d.com/article/crysis...ce-benchmarks/

http://www.guru3d.com/article/crysis-2-dx11-vga-and-cpu-performance-benchmarks/5

Phenom II 980 @ 3.7 GHz = 67 fps
Phenom II 980 @ 4.3 GHz = 68 fps
(Core i7 = 85 fps)

A 16% increase in clockspeed only yields a 1% increase in framerates when the game is obviously CPU-limited. This smells like the northbridge is the bottleneck and needs to be overclocked. With decent scaling you would assume the Phenom @ 4.3 GHz would be around 75 fps if they got 67 fps at 3.7 GHz.

The usual suspects