Gun stores the new target of abortion clinic restriction type laws

[glenn1]

In a move that should be surprising to absolutely no one, yet more states and cities are adopting the tactic of passing laws to 'regulate' constitutionally protected activities they dislike. And if the burden is too much for the provider to bear, then that's just too bad I guess. Let's see if all those so horrified by laws in Red States mandating "admitting privileges" and such are just as principled about similar restrictions on gun stores and will strongly protest them and urge courts to throw them out.

http://www.npr.org/2015/10/27/45120...ampaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2052

 

[fskimospy]

In a move that should be surprising to absolutely no one, yet more states and cities are adopting the tactic of passing laws to 'regulate' constitutionally protected activities they dislike. And if the burden is too much for the provider to bear, then that's just too bad I guess. Let's see if all those so horrified by laws in Red States mandating "admitting privileges" and such are just as principled about similar restrictions on gun stores and will strongly protest them and urge courts to throw them out.

http://www.npr.org/2015/10/27/45120...ampaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2052

Yep, all of these types of laws are bullshit. If the purpose of regulation is to discourage the protected activity because you can't ban it, that regulation is shit. It's an abuse of the 'rational basis' deference.

Laws and regulations irrationally burden the right to gun ownership should absolutely be repealed. Then again, if we're being consistent then laws that irrationally burden the right to vote like voter ID should be repealed.

I find people are often not very consistent.

 

[glenn1]

Yep, all of these types of laws are bullshit. If the purpose of regulation is to discourage the protected activity because you can't ban it, that regulation is shit. It's an abuse of the 'rational basis' deference.

Laws and regulations irrationally burden the right to gun ownership should absolutely be repealed. Then again, if we're being consistent then laws that irrationally burden the right to vote like voter ID should be repealed.

I find people are often not very consistent.

Yes, let's use the same ID standard for firearm purchases that we do for voting in some states - just show a copy of a utility bill and walk out with a Glock and "same day registration" means no more waiting periods. I'm liking this already.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, let's use the same ID standard for firearm purchases that we do for voting in some states - just show a copy of a utility bill and walk out with a Glock and "same day registration" means no more waiting periods. I'm liking this already.

Why on earth would all rights have to be regulated identically? That is also irrational.

You're against irrational regulations of gun ownership that exist only to deter people from buying guns. I'm 100% with you. Unlike you, it appears that I am consistent enough in my beliefs to oppose all irrational regulation of rights. As we've gone over before, voter ID proponents claim it exists in order to stop a crime that functionally never occurs. That's irrational. In practice, voter ID laws exist to burden people trying to exercise a right enough that they don't do it. As with gun laws that exist for that purpose, I oppose voter regulation and abortion regulations that exist for that purpose.

Basically the people who support regulations like that one in SF are perfectly fine with irrational regulations so long as they are in support of the goal. Don't be like them, and oppose both irrational gun regulations AND irrational voter regulations. (and irrational abortion regulations while you're at it)

 

[Spungo]

Why can't we just do this on a state by state basis? Throw out the entire US constitution and let every state do whatever they want. As long as people are allowed to freely move from state to state, the system will automatically work itself out.

 

[K1052]

Basically the people who support regulations like that one in SF are perfectly fine with irrational regulations so long as they are in support of the goal. Don't be like them, and oppose both irrational gun regulations AND irrational voter regulations. (and irrational abortion regulations while you're at it)

Irrational regulations are only bad if they don't conform to your personal belief structure.

 

[Subyman]

Those laws are crap.

 

[waggy]

Those laws are crap.

/this

 

[DrPizza]

He'll miss that community. But, he says gun owners in the city will still be able to get firearms. They'll just have to drive a little farther — or order them online.

When you order them online, they, uh, have to be sent to a gun shop for the transfer.

 

[MongGrel]

When you order them online, they, uh, have to be sent to a gun shop for the transfer.

Pretty much this I had always thought. WalMarts can't sell there either now, or is SF so upscale they have kicked out the WalMarts ?

I saw no harassment involved myself though. Seems he's making a killing on T-Shirts at the moment at any rate.

 

[Cozarkian]

Why can't we just do this on a state by state basis? Throw out the entire US constitution and let every state do whatever they want. As long as people are allowed to freely move from state to state, the system will automatically work itself out.

Market imperfections prevent people from "freely" moving from state to state, especially in this world of two-income families.

 

[walkur]

Guess the owner wanted to get some more money out of his customers before retiring...


from the article:
"Farrell says the proposals are not to blame for closing down the store. He points out that the measures are just proposals. They haven't been voted on. They haven't taken effect.

"So for a store owner to claim that the introduction of this legislation caused the store to close, I would suggest that there are other issues going on," Farrell says.

For instance, the store owner is in his 70s and he has considered going out of business before. Allison Anderman, an attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, says this is a classic example of gun regulation being spun to look like the bad guy."

There is a small but very vocal minority of gun rights advocates who will use something like this to support their position that regulation of guns is bad," she says.

Anderman says a videotaping regulation like this one is not proven to hurt gun sales and is not radical. Videotaping is only required by law in a few places, but it's actually pretty common. Wal-Mart, for example, started doing it a few years ago, and the chain sells more guns than any other retailer in the country.

 

[Jhhnn]

Guess the owner wanted to get some more money out of his customers before retiring...


from the article:
"Farrell says the proposals are not to blame for closing down the store. He points out that the measures are just proposals. They haven't been voted on. They haven't taken effect.

"So for a store owner to claim that the introduction of this legislation caused the store to close, I would suggest that there are other issues going on," Farrell says.

For instance, the store owner is in his 70s and he has considered going out of business before. Allison Anderman, an attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, says this is a classic example of gun regulation being spun to look like the bad guy."

There is a small but very vocal minority of gun rights advocates who will use something like this to support their position that regulation of guns is bad," she says.

Anderman says a videotaping regulation like this one is not proven to hurt gun sales and is not radical. Videotaping is only required by law in a few places, but it's actually pretty common. Wal-Mart, for example, started doing it a few years ago, and the chain sells more guns than any other retailer in the country.

You're trying to confuse the ravers with facts. It won't work. They already made up their minds.

OH, God! Videotape like in the 7/11! Reporting ammo sales to the police! Gun grabbers are coming! Build up your armory for the coming apocalypse! Don't let 'em take you alive!

That's obviously not true of the vast majority of gun owners but it must be recognized that nutbars loves 'em some guns & that the industry is all about sales, sales, sales.