Gun Store that sold weapon used in killings found is raid by the ATF.

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http://www.wfsb.com/story/20396452/east-windsor-gun-store-under-fire-after-man-caught-stealing-rifle

A gun store in East Windsor where at least one of the weapons used in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was sold was raided Thursday night.

Riverview Gun Sales is the same store where police believe a different man stole an assault weapon and was trying to carry out a similar attack.

In a video obtained by Eyewitness News, Jordan Marsh, 26, of South Windsor, can be seen stealing an AR-15 with a scope just four days earlier.
Marsh was caught stealing a 50-caliber long gun from the Riverview Gun Sales on Saturday. Police found the AR-15 in a duffel bag in a room at the Hartford Hilton that day.

Police said Riverview Gun Sales had no idea the AR-15 Marsh stole was missing. Management at the store didn't know about 11 guns that Marsh had allegedly stolen last year until they were notified by detectives.

Inventory control issues at Riverview Gun Sales have occurred before. In 2007, state police raided a Somers home and found a bunch of stolen guns from the store.


"It was found that the same Riverview gun store was missing upwards of 30-plus guns," said East Windsor police Detective Matthew Carl.


The owner of Riverview Gun Sales repeated what he said Wednesday that he was saddened that a gun sold at the store was used in the Newtown massacre.

Eyewitness News had an opportunity to go in the store Thursday and discovered that the handguns are all in cases, but the long guns are on racks that anyone can walk up and grab one.
The ATF raided the store around 5 p.m., while the East Police Department blocked off the plaza. Federal officials were seen coming in and out of the store.

This store owner should lose his license. How the hell can you sell firearms which can easily be used for crimes if you're not going to keep track of your inventory?



They're lucky that the thief went back one too many times because one AR-15 (and perhaps other stolen weapons in his possession) wasn't enough to cause the damage he had in mind.

 

[davmat787]

Sounds like a terrible gun dealer. I know gun stores vary, but any that I have been too all have the long guns behind the counter on wall racks. So you have to ask an employee to get it down if you want to check it out. At this Riverview shop, it sounds like they have them out in the customer area, between the door and employee area probably with little or nothing to stop someone from stealing one.

Very irresponsible.

 

[Theb]

"It was found that the same Riverview gun store was missing upwards of 30-plus guns," said East Windsor police Detective Matthew Carl.

Nope. No way 30 guns go missing and no one notices. The owner would've had a stroke. They've got something worked out with the local dirtbags.

 

[hal2kilo]

Nope. No way 30 guns go missing and no one notices. The owner would've had a stroke. They've got something worked out with the local dirtbags.

Really, those were my thoughts exactly.

 

[trenchfoot]

I wonder how it would be if that shop owner were held legally responsible for every crime that got committed from those missing firearms?

Or are there now statutes on the books that address this issue? I know businesses that serve alcoholic drinks to folks that have already had too much are sometimes held liable for the actions of that customer after said customer leaves for parts unknown and cause injury or death because they were soaked.

 

[blankslate]

Nope. No way 30 guns go missing and no one notices. The owner would've had a stroke. They've got something worked out with the local dirtbags.

Yeah, maybe I was too hard on the owner. However, with high value merchandise I wonder why he was so trusting of the employees that he didn't do an inventory himself every so often.

Otherwise he had to know... or be a complete idiot.

 

[wirednuts]

yeah somethings fishy. a normal gun shop would know very quickly if even one gun was missing. if they cant tell, they should lose their license.

 

[Darwin333]

Really, those were my thoughts exactly.

I concur.

With that said, there is some shitty reporting, or writing, going on because a 50 caliber rifle is NOT an AR-15. Just because its a scarey black rifle does not make it an AR-15. Just about any rifle can be made to look like a scarey black one that some think should be banned but that doesn't make them the same guns.

 

[Darwin333]

Yeah, maybe I was too hard on the owner. However, with high value merchandise I wonder why he was so trusting of the employees that he didn't do an inventory himself every so often.

Otherwise he had to know... or be a complete idiot.

If the owner is actually working in the store than he definitely knew in my opinion. If he is just some guy that owns the store and lets other people run it then maybe you are being to hard.

Bottom line is that you don't lose that kind of inventory (monetary value, regardless of what it actually is AND sheer size alone) and no one notices. I personally highly doubt that this is a case of a common criminal getting to greedy.

 

[Darwin333]

I wonder how it would be if that shop owner were held legally responsible for every crime that got committed from those missing firearms?

Or are there now statutes on the books that address this issue? I know businesses that serve alcoholic drinks to folks that have already had too much are sometimes held liable for the actions of that customer after said customer leaves for parts unknown and cause injury or death because they were soaked.

Shrug, should a car dealership be held liable if they didn't run your driving record and see that you had a bunch of DUIs before you purchased their car and killed some people with it?

With that said, one gun or maybe even two or three might be understandable. The amount of guns/inventory we are talking about and its most likely an inside job.

 

[zanejohnson]

if ya'll haven't noticed, every single thing about sandy hook is fishy.

 

[OutHouse]

Yea something is fishy

 

[piasabird]

Well it is not illegal to have guns stolen. However, they could be selling them to criminals. Maybe some guy puts them in the trash bin or something like that. That makes a loss for the business which can be written off as a bus exp and then someone is paid under the table. This whole thing sounds a bit fishy.

It is also quite possible the President wants to punish the owner of the gun shop. How dare they sell guns.

Take your pick.

However, remember how the guy that made the anti-islamist video was thrown in jail . . .
Maybe this is a political conviction again.

 

[HumblePie]

if ya'll haven't noticed, every single thing about sandy hook is fishy.

Stop baiting people will ya?

 

[NTMBK]

if ya'll haven't noticed, every single thing about sandy hook is fishy.

The only fishy thing are the laws that make it legal for people to hoard military grade mankilling weaponry that make these sorts of killing sprees possible.

 

[mchammer187]

Shrug, should a car dealership be held liable if they didn't run your driving record and see that you had a bunch of DUIs before you purchased their car and killed some people with it?

With that said, one gun or maybe even two or three might be understandable. The amount of guns/inventory we are talking about and its most likely an inside job.

This would be akin to someone stealing 15 cars and committing a hit and then the owner saying he didn't know they were stolen after the fact.

I think if any firearm is stolen from you than you should have a window of 48 hours to report it stolen otherwise you should be criminally liable for anything that happens with that gun. This would apply to everyone not just gun dealers.

 

[Broheim]

The only fishy thing are the laws that make it legal for people to hoard military grade mankilling weaponry that make these sorts of killing sprees possible.

what exactly makes an them "military grade"?

 

[Pia]

The only fishy thing are the laws that make it legal for people to hoard military grade mankilling weaponry that make these sorts of killing sprees possible.

"This sort of killing spree" would have been possible with nothing but a pump-action shotgun. With just a little bit of reloading practice, you'd be able to fire about 30 shots within the first minute, and the damage from every hit would be more than the damage from an AR shot.

Actually, given that the targets were defenseless children, a non-firearm weapon like machetes might have been enough to carry this out.

 

[blankslate]

With that said, there is some shitty reporting, or writing, going on because a 50 caliber rifle is NOT an AR-15. Just because its a scarey black rifle does not make it an AR-15.

It would have to be very shitty reporting because the story reads that the thief already stole an AR-15 without the store knowing. As reported by the police who found that weapon in a duffel bag. So either the reporters misquoted the police or the police can't identify an AR-15.

In a video obtained by Eyewitness News, Jordan Marsh, 26, of South Windsor, can be seen stealing an AR-15 with a scope just four days earlier.
Marsh was caught stealing a 50-caliber long gun from the Riverview Gun Sales on Saturday. Police found the AR-15 in a duffel bag in a room at the Hartford Hilton that day.

 

[Thump553]

"This sort of killing spree" would have been possible with nothing but a pump-action shotgun. With just a little bit of reloading practice, you'd be able to fire about 30 shots within the first minute, and the damage from every hit would be more than the damage from an AR shot.

Actually, given that the targets were defenseless children, a non-firearm weapon like machetes might have been enough to carry this out.

The very same day as Newtown the same thing also happened in China, but the only weapon the guy could get/had was a knife. Result there-22 kids, one adult slashed, no fatalities.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...shed-in-china-elementary-school-knife-attack/

The entire Newtown incident lasted approximately two minutes of shooting. The perpetrator was approximately six feet tall and 110 lbs, ie a skinny weakling. He left his most potent firearm in the car and authorities speculate because it was just too much weight for him to carry.

Certainly this guy did this because he was crazy. But why do we are a society insist that such easy access to mass killing weapons be allowed? No hunter needs these multishot magazines and they are certainly not constitutionally protected. We need politicians with some backbone and common sense to stand up to these special interest groups who are ACTUALLY killing us and our children.

 

[Iron Woode]

what exactly makes an them "military grade"?

because to him they look scary and everyone knows that makes them military grade assault weapons.

 

[piasabird]

So the CIA is providing weapons to terrorist groups that killed stephens in the middle east, and the President then wants to investigate a lonely gunshop? The president is the gun dealer you should be worrying about. How about we investigate this guns for blood that killed the consulate first.

 

[HeXen]

we have a local gunstore owner in business for like 25 plus years and got raided. was selling guns to illegals and had been doing so forever. I'd wager most gunstore owners are a little shady, they just don't often get caught.

 

[piasabird]

Well it is highly likely that the feds that are suppose to oversee gunshops, dont audit the dealers as much as they should. Criminals dont have to buy guns, they can just hire someone who legally can buy a gun and they purchase that gun from them in a private gun sale. We dont really have a way of tracking all of this.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Crazy, I drive back and forth through that area daily.