Gun Question

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: Brian M
DaveSimmons you couldn't be more wrong. I simply feel it is my rite as a US citizen to own a handgun if I choose, considering I am of adult age.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to keep thread-crapping, but I just HAVE to ask. Is the only reason you want a gun is to exercise the right of being allowed to have one?

It certainly seems so.

And as much as I don't like his reasoning, the law is blind. If you want to own a gun, you can...no matter what your reasons for it are.

 

[acemcmac]

this man needs a compact rifle with a broken bolt retainer so that it freely fires again after recoil without additional trigger pulls.... won't be much to look at, but it'll raise all the hell he could ever want

 

[Brian M]

Sorry SLCentral I'm just going to keep HAVING to ignore you. I started this thread for one purpose: learn more about the laws in my state pertaining to the possesion of handguns, NOT to engage in a moral debate over the possesion of handguns.

EDIT for grammar.

 

Originally posted by: Brian M
Sorry SLCentral I'm just going to keep HAVING to ignore you. I started this thread for one purpose: learn more about thel laws in my state pertaining to the possesion of handguns, NOT to engage in a moral debate over the possesion of handguns.

You do realize that, as an OSU student, you'd be unable to carry the gun anywhere on the OSU campus, right? So I'm guessing you'd leave it in your apartment/house?

 

[sygyzy]

You seem like a pretty upset fellow. Not someone the state would want to allow to have a handgun. I agree with Dave. You are "unwilling to wait" for a gun? LOL. I think it's interesting that you came up with that work around. Wouldn't ever 10 year old with an itch get someone to "gift" a gun to them? I have seen some pretty bad lawmaking and loopholes but how could that ever possibly work?

Also, it's not your right, if you can't spell it.

Finally, why mention your uncle is a NRA member? That makes him some sort of authority licensed to teach you official gun safety? All it means is he likes guns and paid an organization money for them to send him a membership card. I am a AAA member, but I can't tune an engine.

Hopefully by the time you are of legal age, things work out for you. Good luck.

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: Brian M
PrinceofWands - I'd say you answered my question, appreciate it. Looks like I'll be waiting 1 more year?

intogamer - In Ohio you must be 18 to purchase rifles/shotguns, 21 to purchase handguns. Weird age distinction in my opinion.

It's the same here. When I was first hired (at 20), I couldn't buy ammo for the gun I was issued by the PD, nor could I buy a similar gun despite being allowed to carry the one I already had anywhere. Crazy, huh?

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Even if you didn't purchase the gun, you can't legally own it until you're 21.

Using the gun is a different story. I was permitted to shoot a .38 while I was in middle school at firing ranges... not in Ohio, but I'd assume the law works in a similar fashion where I was (PA).

So, if I were you, I'd drop some hints so Dad would know what to get me for my birthday.

 

[Brian M]

jumpr: Actually you are incorrect. The Ohio State University has a pistol range in the basement of the ROTC building where students are able to shoot .22 cailbers. Of course, guns are not allowed any where else on campus or any other campus in the country for that matter.

sygyzy: That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. However, you're totally wrong about me. Oh and thanks for pointing out my grammar mistake, helps a lot.

 

[Brian M]

bradruth: I'm assuming you're a police officer. If so I totally agree with you that it's rediculous for you to be able to serve and protect while you are working but not at your own home. Also, is it normal for officers to be hired before turning 21, I was unaware of this?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Brian M
jumpr: Actually you are incorrect. The Ohio State University has a pistol range in the basement of the ROTC building where students are able to shoot .22 cailbers. Of course, guns are not allowed any where else on campus or any other campus in the country for that matter.

sygyzy: That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. However, you're totally wrong about me. Oh and thanks for pointing out my grammar mistake, helps a lot.

Actually now you're incorrect. There is no national restriction prohibiting carry on college campuses. Many campuses fully allow possession/carry by licensed individuals. Only primary and secondary schools (high school and under) fall under national restrictions. Furthermore most colleges that ban firearms do so not by law but by administrative code statute, which makes it open to validity contention. Lastly most states prohibit public places (other than public primary and secondary schools, courts, government buildings, etc) from restricting firearm possession. In fact I'm currently schooling our local library as to this fact. Hopefully they'll get it and not force me to file a lawfuit, which I will do, and win, if I have to.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Brian M
bradruth: I'm assuming you're a police officer. If so I totally agree with you that it's rediculous for you to be able to serve and protect while you are working but not at your own home. Also, is it normal for officers to be hired before turning 21, I was unaware of this?

The entire issue is, of course, outrageous. You can be drafted (or voluntarily join) to fire a true assault weapon or explosive device at children in the name of wealth control, but you can't drink or carry a self-defense firearm. This nation is just about as screwed up as it's possible to be in some ways.

 

[Brian M]

PrinceofWands: Interesting I always thought it was the state not the university which banned gun carry at colleges, thanks for the info.

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: Brian M
bradruth: I'm assuming you're a police officer. If so I totally agree with you that it's rediculous for you to be able to serve and protect while you are working but not at your own home. Also, is it normal for officers to be hired before turning 21, I was unaware of this?

It isn't really "normal," at least around here. Even when agencies set a lower age requirement (mine is 19), it's somewhat out-of-the-norm to hire someone that young.

The thing is they let me, and actually encouraged me, to carry off-duty as well as on even when I wasn't allowed to purchase my own gun/ammo.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Brian M
PrinceofWands: Interesting I always thought it was the state not the university which banned gun carry at colleges, thanks for the info.

Some states have, but only at public universities. A private college is just that. Most realize that it's stupid. Now that the latest research is in and we don't have to listen to Lott I'd look for some serious relaxing of existing gun restrictions, starting with allowed carry areas. I'm working on forming a national association of college students to get the restriction lifted on campuses so people can stop being sheep to the slaughter just because they're in school.

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
I'm working on forming a national association of college students to get the restriction lifted on campuses so people can stop being sheep to the slaughter just because they're in school.

Even as an Officer the University frowns on me carrying on-campus day-to-day. Talk about bullsh!t.

 

[deerslayer]

In Illinois you must be 21 to possess or own a handgun. You can fire one all you want if there is a 21 year old present.

 

Originally posted by: Brian M
jumpr: Actually you are incorrect. The Ohio State University has a pistol range in the basement of the ROTC building where students are able to shoot .22 cailbers. Of course, guns are not allowed any where else on campus or any other campus in the country for that matter.

How are you going to get it there? You can't have a gun in Ohio:

(5) Any premises owned or leased by any public or private college, university, or other institution of higher education, unless the handgun is in a locked motor vehicle or the licensee is in the immediate process of placing the handgun in a locked motor vehicle;

 

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Furthermore most colleges that ban firearms do so not by law but by administrative code statute, which makes it open to validity contention. Lastly most states prohibit public places (other than public primary and secondary schools, courts, government buildings, etc) from restricting firearm possession.

What about the law I just posted? I copied and pasted right from the OH Revised Code, so it's a STATE statute re: gun posesssion on college campuses.

Explain yourself.

 

[drpootums]

I hate all that anti-gun bull **** people talk about. I mean come on, guns dont kill people, people kill people.

Do u guys know that there have accually been people going around killing each other with swords in the UK where owning a gun is illegal? People murdering others with FRICKEN SWORDS. Personally, if someone was gunna kill me, i'd rather be shot...

The best analogy i've heard is "if guns kill people, then i can blame my pencil for misspelled words" and as crazy as it sounds, it's exactly the same thing. I own 9 guns total (most gifts) and i've *gasp!* shot a pheasant!!!!! say it isnt so! what did that poor pheasant do to me? i dont exactly know, but it tasted really good...some people dont go crazy and shoot people when they own guns, Mr. "who gives a damn about the 2nd amendment"

I havent thought of killing anyone unless in self defense, which is a good enough reason to own a handgun to me.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Furthermore most colleges that ban firearms do so not by law but by administrative code statute, which makes it open to validity contention. Lastly most states prohibit public places (other than public primary and secondary schools, courts, government buildings, etc) from restricting firearm possession.

What about the law I just posted? I copied and pasted right from the OH Revised Code, so it's a STATE statute re: gun posesssion on college campuses.

Explain yourself.

I already did, I said 'most' colleges. I then, in a later post, reiterated that by saying that some states do ban carry on all post secondary grounds. It's just highly unusual. Read before you post for a change, your ignorance irritates me.

 

[Brian M]

How are you going to get it there?

Most likely walk, maybe drive.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Brian M
jumpr: Actually you are incorrect. The Ohio State University has a pistol range in the basement of the ROTC building where students are able to shoot .22 cailbers. Of course, guns are not allowed any where else on campus or any other campus in the country for that matter.

How are you going to get it there? You can't have a gun in Ohio:

(5) Any premises owned or leased by any public or private college, university, or other institution of higher education, unless the handgun is in a locked motor vehicle or the licensee is in the immediate process of placing the handgun in a locked motor vehicle;

As long as you like nit-picking, your statement is incorrect. You say 'you can't have a gun in Ohio' which is not specifically correct...many people can have guns in ohio. I'm sure what you meant was 'can't have a gun on ohio campuses' but that's not what you said now is it?

Furthermore most states list exemption statutes which allow for the transporting of firearms for specific functions, such as target shooting at a range, safety courses, hunting, gun shows, etc. I really have no need of researching ohio law since I don't plan to ever live in ohio, so this might or might not be the case there.

Also (and I did see this in the ohio laws as well), some people are automatically exempted...like certain security and law enforcement personnel.

 

[drpootums]

BTW, there is a school about 15 miles away from me where 2 of the gym activities for seniors in HS is .22 firing and trap shooting.

 

Originally posted by: Brian M

How are you going to get it there?

Most likely walk, maybe drive.

But it's illegal for you to carry a handgun on any college campus in Ohio, unless "the handgun is in a locked motor vehicle or the licensee is in the immediate process of placing the handgun in a locked motor vehicle."

I'm still not sure how you plan to get it there.

 

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Brian M
jumpr: Actually you are incorrect. The Ohio State University has a pistol range in the basement of the ROTC building where students are able to shoot .22 cailbers. Of course, guns are not allowed any where else on campus or any other campus in the country for that matter.

How are you going to get it there? You can't have a gun in Ohio:

(5) Any premises owned or leased by any public or private college, university, or other institution of higher education, unless the handgun is in a locked motor vehicle or the licensee is in the immediate process of placing the handgun in a locked motor vehicle;

As long as you like nit-picking, your statement is incorrect. You say 'you can't have a gun in Ohio' which is not specifically correct...many people can have guns in ohio. I'm sure what you meant was 'can't have a gun on ohio campuses' but that's not what you said now is it?

Furthermore most states list exemption statutes which allow for the transporting of firearms for specific functions, such as target shooting at a range, safety courses, hunting, gun shows, etc. I really have no need of researching ohio law since I don't plan to ever live in ohio, so this might or might not be the case there.

Also (and I did see this in the ohio laws as well), some people are automatically exempted...like certain security and law enforcement personnel.

Sorry, I meant to type, "You can't have a gun in Ohio on: Any premises...etc."