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Gun Question: Which would you rather have in a bind. AK Variant or M16 Variant?

I know the AK is supposedly superior in field conditions, but I'm familiar with the M16 and know it's limitations and more importantly, how to shoot one very accurately, so that's my choice.
 
the rounds may be cheaper for the AK but the AR would be better to shoot since it doesn't kick
 
I'm accustomed to my AK variant, so I would go with it. It's far cheaper to purchase and cheaper to shoot. So you don't break the bank getting familiar with it. The parts are ubiquitous, and it is manufactured in half a dozen countries at least (Bulgaria, Hungary, China, Russia...)
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
the rounds may be cheaper for the AK but the AR would be better to shoot since it doesn't kick
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Hopefully you've already read my post above, so just to play devil's advocate, the supposed advantage is that the AK does not jam as easily as the M16. The M16 will not be completely reliable unless it's kept clean and oiled. I say supposedly because I have heard that the AK's supposedly are more reliable and won't jam as easily as the M16.

And before anyone else says it, I do know that's the reason for the forward assist. I well remember what S.P.O.R.T.S. stands for, Slap, Pull, Observe, Release, Tap, Squeeze. That's the acronymn the Army teaches you to remeber what to do in case of a misfire or jam. It can be done in a couple of seconds when practiced, but sometimes seconds count!
 
I guess it depends on what you mean by "in a bind".. I'm not a gun expert, but from what I understand, the M16 is the superior weapon whereas the AK is highly ubiquitous, inexpensive, and trouble-free. From what I've heard, it's made with such loose tolerances that it will fire in surprisingly bad conditions.
 
M16-The Ak's round starts to tumble at longer ranges. Yes it is true that you have to keep the M-16 clean, but how hard is that really? The only reason the AK is used by all the terrorists etc is that the Soviets basically gave them away to anyone.
 
Define "in a bind" please?

a) I have no food. Precision = AR
b) Here come the bad guys!!! Reliable = AK

I'll also assume that 7.62x39 ammo will be more plentiful than .223 if all heck breaks loose.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I guess it depends on what you mean by "in a bind".. I'm not a gun expert, but from what I understand, the M16 is the superior weapon whereas the AK is highly ubiquitous, inexpensive, and trouble-free. From what I've heard, it's made with such loose tolerances that it will fire in surprisingly bad conditions.
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I always thought it was because it was designed in such a way so as to not be susceptible to dirt or neglect. If it is indeed loose tolerances, that's good for us because loose tolerances = inaccurate weapon. I seem to remember that the AK 47 had a maximum effective range that was greater than the M16's 460 meters, so I'm not sure that's true.
 
Originally posted by: DWray
Define "in a bind" please?

a) I have no food. Precision = AR
b) Here come the bad guys!!! Reliable = AK

I'll also assume that 7.62x39 ammo will be more plentiful than .223 if all heck breaks loose.
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You can choose one of the other AK's besides 7.62 AK-47's, such as the 5.45 74, etc. I define in a bind as in a firefight, add in rain, mud, and general other unpleasantness.
 
Originally posted by: DWray
Define "in a bind" please? a) I have no food. Precision = AR b) Here come the bad guys!!! Reliable = AK I'll also assume that 7.62x39 ammo will be more plentiful than .223 if all heck breaks loose.
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The reliability issues of the M-16 were from Vietnam and were solved a LONG time ago. If you can't find .223 then you didn't look.
 
Originally posted by: justint
Originally posted by: DWray
Define "in a bind" please?

a) I have no food. Precision = AR
b) Here come the bad guys!!! Reliable = AK

I'll also assume that 7.62x39 ammo will be more plentiful than .223 if all heck breaks loose.
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You can choose one of the other AK's besides 7.62 AK-47's, such as the 5.45 74, etc. I define in a bind as in a firefight, add in rain, mud, and general other unpleasantness.
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AK.

 
Originally posted by: justint
Originally posted by: DWray
Define "in a bind" please?

a) I have no food. Precision = AR
b) Here come the bad guys!!! Reliable = AK

I'll also assume that 7.62x39 ammo will be more plentiful than .223 if all heck breaks loose.
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You can choose one of the other AK's besides 7.62 AK-47's, such as the 5.45 74, etc. I define in a bind as in a firefight, add in rain, mud, and general other unpleasantness.
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While that may be true in your situation, I do know how to maintain and accurately shoot the M16 in any type of conditions. Any gun is as precise as the person who's been trained to use it.

Reliability? Okay, so I've got to clean my M16 every day or so. That will take me 5 minutes to clean out the upper receiver, remove the bolt and brush it off and oil it a little. If that's what it takes to give me a very accurate weapon that I can hit whatever I see at any distance with the naked eye, I'll take it.
 
Originally posted by: jemcam
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I guess it depends on what you mean by "in a bind".. I'm not a gun expert, but from what I understand, the M16 is the superior weapon whereas the AK is highly ubiquitous, inexpensive, and trouble-free. From what I've heard, it's made with such loose tolerances that it will fire in surprisingly bad conditions.
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I always thought it was because it was designed in such a way so as to not be susceptible to dirt or neglect. If it is indeed loose tolerances, that's good for us because loose tolerances = inaccurate weapon. I seem to remember that the AK 47 had a maximum effective range that was greater than the M16's 460 meters, so I'm not sure that's true.
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The looseness is what makes it less susceptible to dirt and neglect.
 
The looseness is what makes it less susceptible to dirt and neglect.
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That very well may be true because I saw a program on the History channel about that weapon. I remember that most of the parts are simply stamped steel, whereas the M16 has more machined parts.
 
Originally posted by: jemcam
The looseness is what makes it less susceptible to dirt and neglect.
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That very well may be true because I saw a program on the History channel about that weapon. I remember that most of the parts are simply stamped steel, whereas the M16 has more machined parts.
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Depends on the rifle. The good ones are machined.
 
Originally posted by: jemcam
I know the AK is supposedly superior in field conditions, but I'm familiar with the M16 and know it's limitations and more importantly, how to shoot one very accurately, so that's my choice.
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Ditto
 
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