Gun owners. Smarter, better paid and happier

Specop 007

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Read it and weep bitches!

Ok ok, seriously though. This should really go to show its not the poor, the dumb or the socially challenged who choose to won guns. Yes, I realize that these are averages and obviously theres exceptions to every rule but by and large gun owners are more mature and better citizens then non gun owners.

Non gun owners are they types who use projections and "what ifs" to justify their irrational fears. Projections of their own inability to control their emotions and lash out are assumed to be the norm and used as reasons to ban guns. What if scenarios bordering on the ridiculous are used to push ever more bans on firearms.

What it really comes down to is a group of individuals who are less paid and less emotionally stable assuming everyone has their problems. If given the choice, it should be obvious why gun owners make better neighbors then non gun owners.

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Trigger Happy

By ARTHUR C. BROOKS

April 19, 2008; Page A10

In words that he has come to regret, Barack Obama opined as to why he was having a hard time winning over many blue-collar voters: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or antitrade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

It was a throwaway line to a private audience at a San Francisco fund-raiser. And it was made public on a liberal Internet blog, not by right-wing commentators. But Mr. Obama's opponents seized on the quote. It was evidence, they claimed, that he is "elitist," caricaturing middle Americans as gun-toting, immigrant-despising, religious rednecks ? who are also deeply unhappy people. And as a contrite Mr. Obama admitted, "I am the first to admit that some of the words I chose, I chose badly."

The comment may or may not be an indication of Mr. Obama's real views about those ordinary Americans who've not enjoyed the full fruits of economic growth over the past decades. Yet his casual portrayal no doubt had heads nodding vigorously in assent among his supporters, and probably among many others.

That anybody would find this portrayal realistic illustrates how little some Americans know about their neighbors. And nothing reveals the truth better than the data on guns.

According to the 2006 General Social Survey, which has tracked gun ownership since 1973, 34% of American homes have guns in them. This statistic is sure to surprise many people in cities like San Francisco ? as it did me when I first encountered it. (Growing up in Seattle, I knew nobody who owned a gun.)

Who are all these gun owners? Are they the uneducated poor, left behind? It turns out they have the same level of formal education as nongun owners, on average. Furthermore, they earn 32% more per year than nonowners. Americans with guns are neither a small nor downtrodden group.

Nor are they "bitter." In 2006, 36% of gun owners said they were "very happy," while 9% were "not too happy." Meanwhile, only 30% of people without guns were very happy, and 16% were not too happy.

In 1996, gun owners spent about 15% less of their time than nonowners feeling "outraged at something somebody had done." It's easy enough in certain precincts to caricature armed Americans as an angry and miserable fringe group. But it just isn't true. The data say that the people in the approximately 40 million American households with guns are generally happier than those people in households that don't have guns.

The gun-owning happiness gap exists on both sides of the political aisle. Gun-owning Republicans are more likely than nonowning Republicans to be very happy (46% to 37%). Democrats with guns are slightly likelier than Democrats without guns to be very happy as well (32% to 29%). Similarly, holding income constant, one still finds that gun owners are happiest.

Why are gun owners so happy? One plausible reason is a sense of self-reliance, in terms of self-defense or even in terms of the ability to hunt their own dinner.

Many studies over the years have shown that a belief in one's control over the environment dramatically adds to happiness. Example: a famous study of elderly nursing home patients in the 1970s. It showed dramatic improvements in life satisfaction from elements of control as seemingly insignificant as being able to care for one's plants.

A bit of evidence that self-reliance is at work among gun owners comes from the General Social Survey. It asked whether one agrees with the statement, "Those in need have to take care of themselves." In 2004, gun owners were 10 percentage points more likely than nonowners to agree (60% to 50%).

That response is not evidence that gun owners only care about themselves, however. In 2002, they were more likely to give money to charity than people without guns (83% to 75%). This charity gap doesn't reflect their somewhat higher incomes. Gun owners were also more likely to give in other ways, such as donating blood. Are gun owners unsentimental? In 2004, they were more likely than those without guns to strongly agree that they would "endure all things" for the one they loved (45% to 37%).

None of this is to dictate what gun policy should be in our nation and its communities, let alone whether gun owners deserve to be happier than those of us without firearms. Guns are an important area of debate about freedom and security, not to mention constitutionality. What we do know, however, is that contrary to the implication of Mr. Obama's comments, for many Americans, happiness often does indeed involve a warm gun.
 

mxyzptlk

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I'd be happy too if I could kill all the people who pissed me off on any given day.


edit: also, guns aint cheap.. no wonder the people who can afford them make more money.
 

Craig234

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And if the evidence said the opposite, would you change your view on gun ownership? No? Then do you expect this to change views?
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
I'd be happy too if I could kill all the people who pissed me off on any given day.


edit: also, guns aint cheap.. no wonder the people who can afford them make more money.

Ahhh, the bitterness and jealousy of non gun owners.

A sad sight. You have my sympathy Mr. emotionally unstable bitter non gun owner.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Craig234
And if the evidence said the opposite, would you change your view on gun ownership? No? Then do you expect this to change views?

It should, unfortunately it wont. This should go to show that the large majority of gun owners are NOT trigger happy psychotics waiting to gun you down for looking at them funny. And yet people will continue to portray gun owners in that light.....
 

mxyzptlk

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
I'd be happy too if I could kill all the people who pissed me off on any given day.


edit: also, guns aint cheap.. no wonder the people who can afford them make more money.

Ahhh, the bitterness and jealousy of non gun owners.

A sad sight. You have my sympathy Mr. emotionally unstable bitter non gun owner.

uh.. thanks?:cool:


Oh yea, I'm over 21 and a non felon with a credit card.. I could easily be a gun owner.
 

yllus

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In words that he has come to regret, Barack Obama opined as to why he was having a hard time winning over many blue-collar voters: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or antitrade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

That's rather out of context (and incorrect), but what's honest journalism good for these days anyways.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: yllus
In words that he has come to regret, Barack Obama opined as to why he was having a hard time winning over many blue-collar voters: "They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or antitrade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

That's rather out of context (and incorrect), but what's honest journalism good for these days anyways.

Yeah, you know I would have been happy without the Obummer comments but whatever.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Craig234
And if the evidence said the opposite, would you change your view on gun ownership? No? Then do you expect this to change views?

It should, unfortunately it wont. This should go to show that the large majority of gun owners are NOT trigger happy psychotics waiting to gun you down for looking at them funny. And yet people will continue to portray gun owners in that light.....

In al the anti-gun opinions I've seen, I've yet to ever see one fitting that description.

That tells me that it's more of the phony playing the victim to say it.
 

UberNeuman

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If only they had guns - they could have fought back....

And "gun nuts" are just that - nuts. Always feeling they been victimized, always ready to tell you about their massive gun collection, always grunting - "from my cold dead hands..."

Well, hell. I'm for gun ownership - and of course all gun owners aren't "gun nuts." - but lately we've had a slew of "if they only had a gun/look at the good a gun owner did" postings...

Guess if you want to post and read those types of stories, then you should be ready for the flip side about gun abuse....



 

mxyzptlk

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
so does this survey/report include the gang-bangers?

Of course, they're the happiest, smartest, most well paid group of swell guys there is!
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Read it and weep bitches!

FGS I hope you aren't trying to lop yourself in with the smart gun owners with that statement. :roll:

The better paid comes without saying, the more you make the more apt you are to be able to afford the costs of a legal firearm imo. Happier? How can one quantify happiness? It seems pretty subjective to me. BTW - from the tone you have taken in this thread.. do you honestly think that the only people who own guns that post here in P&N are fanbois?
 

glenn1

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Gun owners. Smarter, better paid and happier

They probably have better hair and less erectile dysfunction also.

Honestly Specop, I'm quite pro-2nd amendment, but I hope you intended this as a tongue-in-cheek post, because this is perhaps a poster child for "correlation != causation"
 
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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
I'd be happy too if I could kill all the people who pissed me off on any given day.


edit: also, guns aint cheap.. no wonder the people who can afford them make more money.

Ahhh, the bitterness and jealousy of non gun owners.

A sad sight. You have my sympathy Mr. emotionally unstable bitter non gun owner.


Ahhh, the smugness and glib arrogance of gun owners (or at least one of them). Your comment above (to the extent I can understand it) seems to be along the same lines:

Non gun owners are they types who use projections and "what ifs" to justify their irrational fears. Projections of their own inability to control their emotions and lash out are assumed to be the norm and used as reasons to ban guns.

Here's the thing: I am a gun owner, but I don't share your paranoia that all non-gun owners are "bitter and jealous," nor do I believe they are, broadly speaking, interested in taking away guns. This entire thread is a shameless troll, and it's a shame you presented it so poorly, because the article itself is interesting.
 
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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Is it just me? Or does Specop 007 have something to prove? Hmmm ...

<taps chin thoughtfully . . .>

What, because he purports to be a grown man, yet refers to himself as "Specop007"?
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Craig234
And if the evidence said the opposite, would you change your view on gun ownership? No? Then do you expect this to change views?

It should, unfortunately it wont. This should go to show that the large majority of gun owners are NOT trigger happy psychotics waiting to gun you down for looking at them funny. And yet people will continue to portray gun owners in that light.....

And yet, I shouldn't be alarmed that the converse to this majority -- the minority who are "trigger-happy psychos -- exists?

I love guns as much as anybody...
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: glenn1
Gun owners. Smarter, better paid and happier

They probably have better hair and less erectile dysfunction also.

Honestly Specop, I'm quite pro-2nd amendment, but I hope you intended this as a tongue-in-cheek post, because this is perhaps a poster child for "correlation != causation"

How did you know?!

Man, I have great hair!