Gun Control Bill Shut Down In Vermont

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http://www.wcax.com/story/20637428/gun-control-bill-shot-down-in-montpelier

MONTPELIER, Vt. -
Less than a week after proposing a gun control bill that would have banned assault weapons and high-capacity magazines statewide, Vermont's Senate majority leader says he now plans to withdraw the bill.

Sen. Philip Baruth, D-Chittenden County, says there's not enough support among his colleagues for the bill and there's mounting opposition from outside the Statehouse.

Baruth sent a statement to his colleagues Sunday saying he would abandon the legislation. Monday, he declined to go on camera, but released this statement:

"After much thought, I've decided to withdraw S32, a proposed ban on assault weapons. It was a difficult decision, and one I fear will disappoint those who have written expressing their support. I began thinking about the bill after the Gabby Giffords shootings in Arizona, thought more seriously about it following Aurora, and had it finally drafted in the wake of Sandy Hook. It seemed to me that with the Federal government paralyzed, it had been left to the states to address both the mental health and gun-related components of these tragedies.

But it is painfully clear to me now that little support exists in the Vermont Statehouse for this sort of bill. It's equally clear that focusing the debate on the banning of a certain class of weapons may already be overshadowing measures with greater consensus, like tightening background checks, stopping the exchange of guns for drugs, and closing gun show loopholes. Finally, as incoming Majority Leader, I owe it to my caucus to remove an issue that seems increasingly likely to complicate our shared agenda this biennium.

To the many responsible gun-owners with whom I've communicated over the last several weeks: I've heard you. Please hear me when I say that government is not your enemy - we are all alike threatened by the kind of violence we saw in Newtown, violence that is clearly spreading. And all of us are responsible for stopping it. It's my hope that with this ban set aside, you'll join more willingly in that effort."

Saturday, gun rights activists rallied at the Vt. Statehouse in opposition to Baruth's proposal. The bill would have reinstated in Vermont a now-expired federal assault weapons ban.
The top rated comment says it best: "three cheers for critical thinking".
 

Charles Kozierok

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Several years ago I was driving in my car during an election year, and on VPR there was a debate going on among four candidates for some office; not governor or anything like that. Maybe treasurer.

As I recall, there was a Democrat, a Republican, someone from the Vermont Progressive party, and the fourth I don't recall. So, they're debating, going back and forth on all of the usual issues. Then the moderator brings up the subject of gun control.

Pol #1: "Well, I don't see that as a big problem here, so I see no need to change anything".
Pol #2: "Yeah, I agree."
Pol #3: "Yep."
Pol #4: "Same here."

Despite it being a typically contentious issue, I'm pretty sure it was the only thing they all agreed on.

Vermont is a funny state. :)
 
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This is good news, These people have to realize that their gun control bills will not work, If only other states would follow this example
 

Lithium381

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high five to this guy for thinking rationally!

edit - this is i think the first time i've heard someone in his position mention anything about drugs!
 

Atreus21

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Several years ago I was driving in my car during an election year, and on VPR there was a debate going on among four candidates for some office; not governor or anything like that. Maybe treasurer.

As I recall, there was a Democrat, a Republican, someone from the Vermont Progressive party, and the fourth I don't recall. So, they're debating, going back and forth on all of the usual issues. Then the moderator brings up the subject of gun control.

Pol #1: "Well, I don't see that as a big problem here, so I see no need to change anything".
Pol #2: "Yeah, I agree."
Pol #3: "Yep."
Pol #4: "Same here."

Despite it being a typically contentious issue, I'm pretty sure it was the only thing they all agreed on.

Vermont is a funny state. :)

Anyone who's ever seen Super Troopers knows this. It's not a funny state. It's a hilarious state.
 

Jaskalas

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As a society we have greater issues to deal with in direct relation to violence. Is glorifying it not more dangerous, and costing us more lives, than a particular avenue to realize violent ambition?
 

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As a society we have greater issues to deal with in direct relation to violence. Is glorifying it not more dangerous, and costing us more lives, than a particular avenue to realize violent ambition?




It's something that will need to be addressed. The advertising industry doesn't spend 100's of billions a year on marketing if media didn't influence people and we need to explore just how much all this hardcore violence/death/murder in all our media is influencing morals and the decision making of some people.

Maybe we just love watching people raped/tortured/mutilated too much and are willing to just accept the consequences on the minds of our people over it.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Contrast NY state where it is illegal to have virtually anything which could be construed as a weapon. You are not allowed to protect yourself here.
 

Doppel

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Citizens are not going to comply.
Most will. Most have too much to lose and when you have a family and job getting a class A misdemeanor is something you can't afford.

Many won't comply, though, certainly into the thousands.
 

TallBill

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How will the police ever know? They never would have known that I had a handgun in Chicago until I needed it to defend against a home invasion. If that ever occurred, I would have been very glad to have it.


Just like how they ain't gonna come in and count your mags. I'd buy some 7 rounders for the range and use my regular capacity mags at home.
 

irishScott

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How will the police ever know? They never would have known that I had a handgun in Chicago until I needed it to defend against a home invasion. If that ever occurred, I would have been very glad to have it.


Just like how they ain't gonna come in and count your mags. I'd buy some 7 rounders for the range and use my regular capacity mags at home.

Until you use said regular mags in a defensive encounter, police come, find said mags and throw you in jail on felony charges.

Not to mention if you used less than 7 rounds in said encounter you'd become the poster boy for the anti-gun movement.
 

TallBill

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Until you use said regular mags in a defensive encounter, police come, find said mags and throw you in jail on felony charges.

Not to mention if you used less than 7 rounds in said encounter you'd become the poster boy for the anti-gun movement.

Like I said, that's what I'd do.
 

irishScott

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Like I said, that's what I'd do.

So you'd go to jail, have your 2nd amendment rights revoked and everything else that comes with being a convicted felon, on principle?

Don't get me wrong if enough people did it it would matter, but one person doing it is just going to get legally lynched.
 

TallBill

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If someone enters my house to do harm, I will do what's necessary to defend myself.

No question.
 

TallBill

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It isn't about principle. Its about the fact that I'm going to defend myself. Violently if necessary.
 

sportage

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I never thought smoking bans would become reality to the extent they have become.
Assault weapon bans will come to pass as well, at some point.
That is inevitable.
As more assault weapons are used to play hamburger hill with school children, bans on certain guns will come to pass.
You can count on that.
It is inevitable. Period.
 

irishScott

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It isn't about principle. Its about the fact that I'm going to defend myself. Violently if necessary.

Which I have no issue with, I'd do the same. I'm just saying that from my perspective, the odds of having to fend off a home invasion/burglary are extremely slim, the odds of requiring more than 8 rounds to do so even more slim. On balance, I don't see the advantage in potentially becoming a felon because I needlessly defied the law. I'd fight said law every other way I could, but I wouldn't actively defy it unless I could get a lot of other people to do the same.

Granted I currently have an extended 10 round mag in the 1911 I keep ready for home defense (and 2 7 round reloads right next to it), because I can; but if state law limited me to 7, I'd likely just add an extra 7 round mag to the reload line-up.
 
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Cerb

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I never thought smoking bans would become reality to the extent they have become.
Harming others is not protected by the Constitution.
Assault weapon bans will come to pass as well, at some point.
That is inevitable.
As more assault weapons are used to play hamburger hill with school children, bans on certain guns will come to pass.
You can count on that.
It is inevitable. Period.
Only with revisionist history. If assault weapons are defined and banned, then the non-assault weapons will be more likely to be used, as time passes. Are we going to go define every pistol to be an assault weapon, to make your statement true?
 

irishScott

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Harming others is not protected by the Constitution.
Only with revisionist history. If assault weapons are defined and banned, then the non-assault weapons will be more likely to be used, as time passes. Are we going to go define every pistol to be an assault weapon, to make your statement true?

The next generation of "assault rifles":

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