Gun Buffs: Needs help with Ammo Purchase.....

[jcovercash]

This weekend I bought a Bushmaster XM15 E2S. I got a good price and couldnt pass it up.... My Bushmaster

I picked up some Wolf ammo just to test it out with, but after reading some feedback on it from the AR15 Forums, I don't think I want to continue using it. I am looking for a high quality ammo, Im just going to the range and target shooting at 50/100 Yards. I did a little research on the AR15 forums and it seems that this is a good recommended ammo XM193

Is this ok to run through my XM15 E2S? It says 5.56 mm thats the same as a .223 caliber correct? If this is a decent ammo, I probally pick up a box of 500.



Also anyone that can point me in the direction of some good accesories for my gun please do. Im looking for a scope rail and a good scope for target shooting, but I still want to be able to use the iron sites with the scope mounted.

I would also like a mount for a Surefire Flashlight, but I don't have a fluted barrel and have only seen mounts for the fluted barrel. Also when the Ban Sunsets, I will be able to purchase a large Cap. Magazine for a lower price correct? Sorry for all the questions Im just fairly new to AR's and know there are some gun buffs on AT .



Thanks,
Josh

 

[TitanDiddly]

Nice gun.

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
Nice gun.

Thank you, I really like it so far, just trying to get some good ammo to shoot out of it so I don't run into any problems now

 

[moks78]

Nice rifle..."It says 5.56 mm thats the same as a .223 caliber correct? Yep, they're the same....223 caliber is in inches.

 

[Viper GTS]

Nice gun. I won't be picking up an AR until after the ban sunsets, prices should plummet on the good stuff.

As for magazines, there will be an essentially unlimited supply of high cap mags in a week, they should be cheap once the initial rush wears off.

Are you intentionally not telling us your "deal" price, I'm curious...



Viper GTS

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Nice gun. I won't be picking up an AR until after the ban sunsets, prices should plummet on the good stuff.

As for magazines, there will be an essentially unlimited supply of high cap mags in a week, they should be cheap once the initial rush wears off.

Are you intentionally not telling us your "deal" price, I'm curious...



Viper GTS

Yea I figured Mags. would be cheap after the Ban goes away.

I got the gun right at $700 Brand new (Including Tax and Fees). It came with the grip, and a Vertical Forearm grip.


So is the ammo I listed any good? From what I read it was some of the best reguarded ammo.....

 

[GarlicBreath]

Let's see...I just bought an AR15...I have a question about ammunition... where should I go to find the answer? Hmmm.... AR15.com? Nah, I think I'll post it on Anantech. Those Counter Strike guys should know.

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: GarlicBreath
Let's see...I just bought an AR15...I have a question about ammunition... where should I go to find the answer? Hmmm.... AR15.com? Nah, I think I'll post it on Anantech. Those Counter Strike guys should know.

Umm lets see. Should I not post anything in this thread or be a smart ass and post something that I have no idea about...

There are plenty of AT members who own AR-15's I didnt feel like registering for AR15 Forums as I am fixing to go to bed.

Josh

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

There's a difference in .223 and 5.56...

.223 Rem is rated for higher pressures. What is your rifle chambered for? Will be marked on the side.

You can normally run 5.56 in a .223, but not the best idea to do it the other way around. Though something like a modern Bushy should handle it. But still...

M193 is just the normal 5.56 round the military uses IIRC. Nothing fancy. M193 doesn't designate a make. You can order M193 stuff made by Pakistan if you want...But Federal is good stuff.

About the nicest stuff you can buy is Black Hills. Certainly not range ammo...

And why does that have a revolver pistol grip? Yikes...otherwise nice rifle

 

[DrPizza]

get a variety of brands of ammo.. shoot several rounds with each type (from a rest) See which one shoots the most consistently (tightest groups) (regardless of how close to bullseye.. that's adjusted with the scope/sites later) One of my shotguns sucks with Remington ammo... the other is best with Remington (just one example) There's really no way to say that brand "x" is the best, because it's too dependent on the particular gun.... but hopefully most of the major brands are pretty consistent with their ammo. In case they're not, buy ton of the stuff at the same time.. (after you figure out which brand to use) hopefully it comes from the same lot.

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
There's a difference in .223 and 5.56...

.223 Rem is rated for higher pressures. What is your rifle chambered for? Will be marked on the side.

You can normally run 5.56 in a .223, but not the best idea to do it the other way around. Though something like a modern Bushy should handle it. But still...

M193 is just the normal 5.56 round the military uses IIRC. Nothing fancy. M193 doesn't designate a make. You can order M193 stuff made by Pakistan if you want...But Federal is good stuff.

About the nicest stuff you can buy is Black Hills. Certainly not range ammo...

And why does that have a revolver pistol grip? Yikes...otherwise nice rifle

Bushmasters Info on my gun.

The barrel says 8 MP 5.56 NATO 1/9 H BAR ----- So the XM193's will be ok to run then.... Sorry that im confused but this is my first high powered rifle, Only other weapons I have owned have been a ruger 10/.22 and a .410. Although I have shot Bushmaster AR15 befores, and other handguns that my father owns etc..

The gun came upgraded with the Forward Vertical Grip (Which I removed), and the pistol Grip when I bought it...... This is the grip.....
I wasent about to tell him to take it off, I figured if I didnt like it I could always change it. It actually feels really good though.

Josh

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
There's a difference in .223 and 5.56...

.223 Rem is rated for higher pressures. What is your rifle chambered for? Will be marked on the side.

You can normally run 5.56 in a .223, but not the best idea to do it the other way around. Though something like a modern Bushy should handle it. But still...

M193 is just the normal 5.56 round the military uses IIRC. Nothing fancy. M193 doesn't designate a make. You can order M193 stuff made by Pakistan if you want...But Federal is good stuff.

About the nicest stuff you can buy is Black Hills. Certainly not range ammo...

And why does that have a revolver pistol grip? Yikes...otherwise nice rifle

I'm pretty sure you've got that backward. Using SAAMI-spec .223 Rem chambers to fire 5.56mm NATO rounds (especially "hot" loaded rounds) can make your chamber pressures rise by a substantial margin. The 5.56mm chambers have a longer throat and more freebore than .223 Rem chambers.

Also, M193 is what the military used to use. Now they use M855 (as the standard "ball" round), which is slightly heavier, longer, and thus requires a faster spin rate to be stabilized as compared to M193.

But I agree with you on the BH and his grip.

<--- been doing his research prior to purchasing an AR.

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
get a variety of brands of ammo.. shoot several rounds with each type (from a rest) See which one shoots the most consistently (tightest groups) (regardless of how close to bullseye.. that's adjusted with the scope/sites later) One of my shotguns sucks with Remington ammo... the other is best with Remington (just one example) There's really no way to say that brand "x" is the best, because it's too dependent on the particular gun.... but hopefully most of the major brands are pretty consistent with their ammo. In case they're not, buy ton of the stuff at the same time.. (after you figure out which brand to use) hopefully it comes from the same lot.

Well im not exactly 100% worried about which shoots the ammo that shoots the tighest group. I just want some cheaply priced ammo, such as what I posted to shoot. Im not going to be doing any competitions or anything, I just enjoy shooting, but I want something that is going to be good on my gun. I don't want to use wolf ammo and get a casing stuck in the chamber or something to that sort....

I am pretty sure what I posted up there will work, but im still not 100% sure lol....

Josh

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
There's a difference in .223 and 5.56...

.223 Rem is rated for higher pressures. What is your rifle chambered for? Will be marked on the side.

You can normally run 5.56 in a .223, but not the best idea to do it the other way around. Though something like a modern Bushy should handle it. But still...

M193 is just the normal 5.56 round the military uses IIRC. Nothing fancy. M193 doesn't designate a make. You can order M193 stuff made by Pakistan if you want...But Federal is good stuff.

About the nicest stuff you can buy is Black Hills. Certainly not range ammo...

And why does that have a revolver pistol grip? Yikes...otherwise nice rifle

I'm pretty sure you've got that backward. Using SAAMI-spec .223 Rem chambers to fire 5.56mm NATO rounds (especially "hot" loaded rounds) can make your chamber pressures rise by a substantial margin. The 5.56mm chambers have a longer throat and more freebore than .223 Rem chambers.

Also, M193 is what the military used to use. Now they use M855 (as the standard "ball" round), which is slightly heavier, longer, and thus requires a faster spin rate to be stabilized as compared to M193.

But I agree with you on the BH and his grip.

<--- been doing his research prior to purchasing an AR.

So this Federal Ammo is ok to use in my AR then? My dad bought me some Wolf ammo that was .223 and I dont want to keep using it after reading about it....

LOL, people leave me alone about my grip, I didnt put it on there . I probally replace it at the next gun show I go to.

Josh

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

I could be entirely backwards. I'm not the only one who gets confused. That's why I also shoot what teh barrel/receiver says. I know one of the rounds is a bit different spec wise, and can lead to the chamber pressure problem...

And yer right on the M855. Completely forgot about the changeover.

I'm not really an AR guy. I keep up with them sort of, but just know what I can shoot and how to clean, that's about it. More of a C&amp;R guy.

Guess my real point was to just shoot what the thing says to be safe

I remember the Vindicator grip now. Supposed to be comfy like you said. But as far as asthetics go...

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: AMDman12GHz
So this Federal Ammo is ok to use in my AR then? My dad bought me some Wolf ammo that was .223 and I dont want to keep using it after reading about it....

LOL, people leave me alone about my grip, I didnt put it on there . I probally replace it at the next gun show I go to.

Josh

Yeah, from what I've heard Federal XM193 and Q3131a from Winchester (or was it Lake City? Or LC contracting for Win? I forget) seem to be fairly well regarded for plinking ammo.

However, this link right here should pretty much answer all your 5.56mm/223 Rem questions

Originally posted by: rdgr8
Nice rifle..."It says 5.56 mm thats the same as a .223 caliber correct? Yep, they're the same....223 caliber is in inches.

Same caliber, not the same chamber, or cartridge. 5.56x45mm NATO can potentially be dangerous in a .223 Remington chamber.

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
I could be entirely backwards. I'm not the only one who gets confused. That's why I also shoot what teh barrel/receiver says. I know one of the rounds is a bit different spec wise, and can lead to the chamber pressure problem...

And yer right on the M855. Completely forgot about the changeover.

I'm not really an AR guy. I keep up with them sort of, but just know what I can shoot and how to clean, that's about it. More of a C&amp;R guy.

Guess my real point was to just shoot what the thing says to be safe

I remember the Vindicator grip now. Supposed to be comfy like you said. But as far as asthetics go...

Yea its about as ugly as they get (for what its on) but really nice feeling in your hands.....

So since my Barrel says 5.56 NATO that means I should shoot 5.56mm Ammo? The ammo I link to This
Says both 5.56 and .223 though so it should be ok right? The box only says 5.56 though, either way It should be fine right.

Josh

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: AMDman12GHz
So this Federal Ammo is ok to use in my AR then? My dad bought me some Wolf ammo that was .223 and I dont want to keep using it after reading about it....

LOL, people leave me alone about my grip, I didnt put it on there . I probally replace it at the next gun show I go to.

Josh

Yeah, from what I've heard Federal XM193 and Q3131a from Winchester (or was it Lake City? Or LC contracting for Win? I forget) seem to be fairly well regarded for plinking ammo.

However, this link right here should pretty much answer all your 5.56mm/223 Rem questions

Originally posted by: rdgr8
Nice rifle..."It says 5.56 mm thats the same as a .223 caliber correct? Yep, they're the same....223 caliber is in inches.

Same caliber, not the same chamber, or cartridge. 5.56x45mm NATO can potentially be dangerous in a .223 Remington chamber.

I read all through that link earlier, and either im tired or I just dont get it, but I still dont know whats ok to use and whats not..... I know my barrell says 5.56 Nato so I should be ok using either then? Man this is crazy lol. I never had this problem with ammo on my other guns, but then again I just used the walmart special

Josh

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Remember that .223 is a measurement, .223 Rem is a round.

You should be fine if it says 5.56. If it said .223 Rem is what you'd need to be more careful of if what I said were the case. But I was backwards.

LC is the largest ammo plant in the world. Makes small arms ammo for the gov.

Edited to clarify in case of confusion

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: AMDman12GHz
Yea its about as ugly as they get (for what its on) but really nice feeling in your hands.....

Damn AR ricers :|

j/k

So since my Barrel says 5.56 NATO that means I should shoot 5.56mm Ammo? The ammo I link to This
Says both 5.56 and .223 though so it should be ok right? The box only says 5.56 though, either way It should be fine right.

Josh

When in doubt, shoot what it says on the barrel. However, in this case, you can safely fire 223 Remington through a 5.56x45mm NATO chamber. The reverse is not true. You have a 5.56mm chamber, so you can fire any normal (including mil-spec) factory produced 5.56x45mm NATO or 223 Rem cartridge. Handloads made by people w/o a clue are an entirely different matter.

EDIT: since the ammo you are looking at is XM193, it is loaded to M193 specs, which is 5.56mm NATO spec. In other words, you're fine. However, should you still have lingering anxiety on this issue, feel free to ship all the ammo in question to me, and I will be happy to rigorously test each and every round for you .

 

[Viper GTS]

http://www.ammo-oracle.com/images/m193frag.jpg

Dayamn...

Viper GTS

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: AMDman12GHz
Yea its about as ugly as they get (for what its on) but really nice feeling in your hands.....

Damn AR ricers :|

j/k

So since my Barrel says 5.56 NATO that means I should shoot 5.56mm Ammo? The ammo I link to This
Says both 5.56 and .223 though so it should be ok right? The box only says 5.56 though, either way It should be fine right.

Josh

When in doubt, shoot what it says on the barrel. However, in this case, you can safely fire 223 Remington through a 5.56x45mm NATO chamber. The reverse is not true. You have a 5.56mm chamber, so you can fire any normal (including mil-spec) factory produced 5.56x45mm NATO or 223 Rem cartridge. Handloads made by people w/o a clue are an entirely different matter.

Thank you . Im off to order me 500 Rounds of this XM193 Ammo then . I just reread the Ammo Oracle site and understood it just as I read your post.

So basically Since mine is 5.56 is ok for and 5.56 ammo and any .223 ammo NEW ammo. But If I had a .223 barrell I could only shoot .223 because the 5.56 builds more chamber pressure.

Correct?

LOL, sorta getting unconfused until one of you reply and tell me im wrong LOL.


Josh

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: AMDman12GHz

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: AMDman12GHz
Yea its about as ugly as they get (for what its on) but really nice feeling in your hands.....

Damn AR ricers :|

j/k

So since my Barrel says 5.56 NATO that means I should shoot 5.56mm Ammo? The ammo I link to This
Says both 5.56 and .223 though so it should be ok right? The box only says 5.56 though, either way It should be fine right.

Josh

When in doubt, shoot what it says on the barrel. However, in this case, you can safely fire 223 Remington through a 5.56x45mm NATO chamber. The reverse is not true. You have a 5.56mm chamber, so you can fire any normal (including mil-spec) factory produced 5.56x45mm NATO or 223 Rem cartridge. Handloads made by people w/o a clue are an entirely different matter.

Thank you . Im off to order me 500 Rounds of this XM193 Ammo then . I just reread the Ammo Oracle site and understood it just as I read your post.

So basically Since mine is 5.56 is ok for and 5.56 ammo and any .223 ammo NEW ammo. But If I had a .223 barrell I could only shoot .223 because the 5.56 builds more chamber pressure.

Correct?

LOL, sorta getting unconfused until one of you reply and tell me im wrong LOL.


Josh

Correct

I was backwards earlier, so disregard my first few posts.

 

[jcovercash]

OK thanks for all the help, im going to take the camera to the Range next time for some action pictures

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: AMDman12GHz
Thank you . Im off to order me 500 Rounds of this XM193 Ammo then . I just reread the Ammo Oracle site and understood it just as I read your post.

So basically Since mine is 5.56 is ok for and 5.56 ammo and any .223 ammo NEW ammo. But If I had a .223 barrell I could only shoot .223 because the 5.56 builds more chamber pressure.
Correct?
LOL, sorta getting unconfused until one of you reply and tell me im wrong LOL.
Josh

Correct.