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shortylickens

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A whole lot of things will have run out by the time I run out of ammo ;)
It doesnt matter.
You dont need to kill lots of people or even burn up ammo. You just need to make it clear you will be a difficult target and looters will move on to easier pickings.
 

MtnMan

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It doesnt matter.
You dont need to kill lots of people or even burn up ammo. You just need to make it clear you will be a difficult target and looters will move on to easier pickings.
That's the plan. Most of my ammo is for practice, and while not as effective as defense ammo, it will serve the purpose nicely.
 

shortylickens

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That's the plan. Most of my ammo is for practice, and while not as effective as defense ammo, it will serve the purpose nicely.
If someone is not completely desperate I suspect a bullet zipping by them will discourage an attack on your home.
Now when they get truly desperate and assault the fortress intent on getting my food and TP?
Well, fuck it, I've had a good life.
 

Jhhnn

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I know people living check to check that spend their money on more guns and more ammo. I guess they don't realize that having an emergency fund will probably be a lot more useful in 99.96% of the situations they may encounter in life than someone coming to steal their toilet paper and Spam supply.

This should not turn into a gun thread, but I am really thinking of the new Colt Python, but jeez, $1,500?!

Yeh, run right down there & squeeze up to the counter with the rest of the mowrons...
 

BUTCH1

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If someone is not completely desperate I suspect a bullet zipping by them will discourage an attack on your home.
Now when they get truly desperate and assault the fortress intent on getting my food and TP?
Well, fuck it, I've had a good life.
LOL, "and my TP", who would have thought TP could gain you social status!. I have a 30 roll stash, I feel important now since I'll bring in a roll or two for desperate co-workers.
 
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Paladin3

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Shotguns are good because of the various loads you can chuck in the shells. For home defense, I like the first one in the chute to be rock salt followed by 00's to finish things up. That way, just in case the "intruder" wasn't the baddie you thought they were, they'll have a much better chance of surviving the first blast and if they were a baddie they'd be stopped far enough and long enough away's to give you enough time to rack the show stopper and decide whether to send it......or hopefully not.
That is extremely dangerous and irresponsible advice to give anyone. A firearm is not a less than lethal weapon. If you aren't willing to destroy it, don't ever point a gun at it. That B.S. about using rock salt rounds is just that, a load of B.S.

And if you actually are forced to defend yourself with lethal force, shoot center mass and keep firing until the threat is stopped. You only shoot someone when you have no other choice and are forced to because your life, family or (in some states) home is in danger.
 
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shortylickens

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LOL, "and my TP", who would have thought TP could gain you social status!. I have a 30 roll stash, I feel important now since I'll bring in a roll or two for desperate co-workers.
No, you butt. Its doesnt get you social status it gets a target painted on your back.
Having a bomb shelter with supplies sounds real nice, until your neighbors come calling and they don't necessarily ask nicely.
 

BUTCH1

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No, you butt. Its doesnt get you social status it gets a target painted on your back.
Having a bomb shelter with supplies sounds real nice, until your neighbors come calling and they don't necessarily ask nicely.
Sounds like a Twilight Zone episode called 'the shelter",
 

Paladin3

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It's just that you have a habit of demanding links to any information you don't agree with in an attempt to invalidate other's arguments, when you could do a quick google search yourself to determine of someone's post is B.S. or not. Or at least it comes off that way sometimes.
So what, no one wants the 2nd amendment revoked, people DO WANT bans on AK style weapons with 100rnd clips. Not needed for any legit purpose. Of course your type will cry like a fucking 12yr old, "Wa-ahahahahahahah! they want ALL our guns!"
You don't think ARs and AKs are selling like hot cakes too ATM? It's not just 5-shot .38 revolvers being panic bought.

And your abrasive, insulting attitude don't really make us gun owners believe there is anything "reasonable" about the level of gun control you want. Gun owners have compromised enough through the years and the gun-grabbers always come back demanding we give up more.
 

Paladin3

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Lot's of liberal and democrats end goal is to severely curtail or eliminate private ownership of guns, just like there are many conservative republicans that want to eliminate abortion, they both realize that a complete ban isn't happening all at once so they are going to do it piecemeal going after the most egregious and hardest to defend positions while also applying ever stricter laws in the name of saving the children, pre or post womb.
That's why we have to stand up against both.
 

UberNeuman

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It's just that you have a habit of demanding links to any information you don't agree with in an attempt to invalidate other's arguments, when you could do a quick google search yourself to determine of someone's post is B.S. or not. Or at least it comes off that way sometimes.

The point of my asking for backing links is to see what source a person is using to base their opinion on. I don't need to google search as it would be pointless. If someone makes a claim, then they should be able to source it.

Agreed?
 
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Paladin3

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All the mass shootings recently have been in states which banned 100 round magazines. They either dont need them to kill lots of people or they get them despite the law.
Perfect example is the goons who executed the North Hollywood shootout.
Agreed. If someone is willing to violate the ban on murder, I don't know what gun ban you could ever pass that they would respect. Since those demanding "reasonable" gun control can't actually figure out a way to disarm those who commit crime and murder, all they do propose laws that would only disarm the lawful who aren't the problem.

Enough is enough. No more compromises. Lawful gun owners shouldn't surrender any more of their constitutional rights to satisfy gun-grabbers naive desire to feel like they are doing something when they are not.
 

Paladin3

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I trust some Doctors. Have you ever read the John Hopkins study on 250,000 medical error deaths caused by doctors, nurses and other health care workers? You should, it's the 3rd leading cause of U.S. deaths.
Hah! You posted a link this time before they could demand one, lol.
 

Paladin3

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The point of my asking for backing links is to see what source a person is using to base their opinion on. I don't need to google search as it would be pointless. If someone makes a claim, then they should be able to source it.

Agreed?
Mostly. But if someone doesn't come back and satisfy the request for a link then it's often assume their post wasn't factual, regardless of whether it actually was or not. No offense.
 

UberNeuman

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Mostly. But if someone doesn't come back and satisfy the request for a link then it's often assume their post wasn't factual, regardless of whether it actually was or not. No offense.

You mean nothing to me. lol. Go lie with the dogs.
 

Paladin3

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It doesnt matter.
You dont need to kill lots of people or even burn up ammo. You just need to make it clear you will be a difficult target and looters will move on to easier pickings.
I understand being reasonably prepared because, no mater how unlikely it, could happen. But way too many people going to sleep and dreaming about their chance to go all Mad Max and shoot someone over the last can of dog food. Or roll of two-ply.
 

shortylickens

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Agreed. If someone is willing to violate the ban on murder, I don't know what gun ban you could ever pass that they would respect. Since those demanding "reasonable" gun control can't actually figure out a way to disarm those who commit crime and murder, all they do propose laws that would only disarm the lawful who aren't the problem.

Enough is enough. No more compromises. Lawful gun owners shouldn't surrender any more of their constitutional rights to satisfy gun-grabbers naive desire to feel like they are doing something when they are not.

I'd actually be Ok with gun control if somebody could come up with a way of taking them away from criminals, but I just dont see that happening.
 
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Hah! You posted a link this time before they could demand one, lol.
"I've been around for a long, long year"
and pretty much know the usual tricks that many of the posters in here use in an attempt to dismiss any fact they don't like. It really doesn't matter if it's accurate or factual or not, it's that they don't agree with it or it makes them feel uncomfortable. So I even gave them a link to npr.org so they couldn't dismiss the source out of hand. Some subjects it's very difficult to come up with informative links, but most it's as simple as a 10 second check, this was an easy one.
 

Paladin3

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I'd actually be Ok with gun control if somebody could come up with a way of taking them away from criminals, but I just dont see that happening.
That's kind of where I'm at. We would have to forcibly remove every last gun and physically prevent any new guns from being made or smuggled into the country to stop gun violence. It's wishful thinking to believe that's even possible.

And lets not forget that a not so insubstantial portion of lawful gun owning Americans would instantly become criminals when they refuse to comply. These are people who've never committed a violent crime or had their gun rights revoked. Do we really want that when we have NEVER had ANY gun ban or restriction that was shown to reduce gun violence?

Thinking a ban, background check, gun registration or restriction would stop someone planning to commit murder is just naive. By and large, criminals don't get their guns via legal channels. It's just like the lie of the Gun Free Zone, which does nothing to stop a murderer, and just makes the fish in the barrel feel safer until the killing starts. Declaring an uncontrolled space like a school campus "gun free" is a dangerous, purely symbolic gesture.

There is no easy answer to ending gun violence, so we're gonna make criminals out of lawful gun owners and violate their constitutional rights so a bunch of naive fools can feel like they're doing something.

EDIT: The U.S. has tried a lot of gun control laws, measures and bans in the past. I did a quick google search to find which ones had been effective at reducing gun violence. I couldn't find much. Mostly I found reports from "experts" claiming some new proposal will do what all the past laws have failed to. But no proof or even compelling research. And it's kind of funny how most of their ideas start with some form of disarming the lawful.

Well, I'm not interested in what we could try next if it is something that will only burden the lawful and their 2A constitutional rights. Show me something we've already tired that has worked. Show me how the 1994 assault rifle ban reduce gun violence (oh, right, it didn't so that's why it was allowed to expire after 10 years.) Show me any of the multitude of bans and restriction and all the good they did at stopping the killing? Show me how all the restrictions in NY, NJ, CA and our most crime ridden inner cities on civilian gun ownership have put a dent in gun violence?

As a gun owner, I refuse to give up any more of my 2A rights to your failed, feel-good experiments.
 
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Paladin3

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Sorry, it's late and I'm all hopped up on chips and salsa. I better go to bed.
 

shortylickens

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I understand being reasonably prepared because, no mater how unlikely it, could happen. But way too many people going to sleep and dreaming about their chance to go all Mad Max and shoot someone over the last can of dog food. Or roll of two-ply.
People have those dreams anyway, even if they dont have guns. I cant fix that. All I wanna do is be ready for the most likely scenarios.
Not getting water.
Not getting food.
Not getting medicine.
Not getting peace.

I've done my best to prepare for all of those.
I do not have a plan to generate oxygen or protect from particle radiation. Just cant be done. And thats the reality.