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Guitar players...

Mrvile

Lifer
How do you make that really really high pitched wailing sound, like they do in ZZ Top's La Grange? I looked online and apparently it's a really hugely bent note but I still have no idea how they do it. Help?
 
Originally posted by: apologetic
harmonics?

I'm not sure of the sound. I haven't heard that song in a while.

Um, I'm pretty sure it's impossible to play that song using harmonics 😱 so I doubt it. Also all the tabs I've seen for the song show it as a bend.
 
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: apologetic
harmonics?

I'm not sure of the sound. I haven't heard that song in a while.

Um, I'm pretty sure it's impossible to play that song using harmonics 😱 so I doubt it. Also all the tabs I've seen for the song show it as a bend.

He's not asking for the song, just one note. 😛
 
Originally posted by: Garth
Pinch harmonics, actually. It helps if you use a lot of overdrive/distortion, too. Those accentuate the harmonics.

-Garth

Are you sure? I was really hoping to learn that song but to play the whole thing with pinch harmonics?? AHH! Now I have to teach myself how to play harmonics...:disgust:

Any way to make harmonics louder/easier to play? 😛
 
Originally posted by: apologetic
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: apologetic
harmonics?

I'm not sure of the sound. I haven't heard that song in a while.

Um, I'm pretty sure it's impossible to play that song using harmonics 😱 so I doubt it. Also all the tabs I've seen for the song show it as a bend.

He's not asking for the song, just one note. 😛

Actually I did the OP...

And although I'm asking for the note I'm asking particularly for how ZZ Top does it cuz I love how it sounds.
 
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: Garth
Pinch harmonics, actually. It helps if you use a lot of overdrive/distortion, too. Those accentuate the harmonics.

-Garth

Are you sure? I was really hoping to learn that song but to play the whole thing with pinch harmonics?? AHH! Now I have to teach myself how to play harmonics...:disgust:

Any way to make harmonics louder/easier to play? 😛

You don't have to play the whole song in pinch harmonics. Pinch harmonics is just a plucking technique for one note at a time.

If you play the harmonic clean it will be loud enough. You can try practicing natural harmonics just to get a feel for the relative sound it's supposed to make.
 
and btw, use pinch harmonics. I know which note you're talking about and thats how I play it and how my old guitar teacher used to play it too.
 
Originally posted by: Mrvile
That's crazy. Harmonics are so hard.

I'm 🙁

Oh well time to get practicing.

It took me a while to get down Pinched harmonics, but now it's a breeze.
 
Originally posted by: Garth
Pinch harmonics, actually. It helps if you use a lot of overdrive/distortion, too. Those accentuate the harmonics.

-Garth

Oh btw, since RealPlayer costs money now (and I don't want to install Realplayer anyway, I was already forced into installing Quicktime :|) does anyone have these videos in WMV or whatever format that I can watch through WMP or WinAmp?
 
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: Garth
Pinch harmonics, actually. It helps if you use a lot of overdrive/distortion, too. Those accentuate the harmonics.

-Garth

Are you sure? I was really hoping to learn that song but to play the whole thing with pinch harmonics?? AHH! Now I have to teach myself how to play harmonics...:disgust:
Like somebody else said, pinch harmonics are a technique used to accent certain notes. If you're holding your pick just right, you can sorta roll your wrist to the point where the edge of your thumb contacts the string almost immediately after you pick it, then roll your wrist so your thumb moves away. There are also specfic intervals that ring louder and more naturally than others, and you can detect them by doing pinch harmonics continuously on the same string, beginning at the bridge and moving away from it.

Any way to make harmonics louder/easier to play? 😛
More distortion. With enough saturation, I can even do tap harmonics.

-Garth
 
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: Garth
Pinch harmonics, actually. It helps if you use a lot of overdrive/distortion, too. Those accentuate the harmonics.

-Garth

Oh btw, since RealPlayer costs money now (and I don't want to install Realplayer anyway, I was already forced into installing Quicktime :|) does anyone have these videos in WMV or whatever format that I can watch through WMP or WinAmp?
I suggest going to google and entering "pinch harmonic" and maybe add "lesson" or "video" or something and see what you come up with.

-Garth

 
Alright...doing them isn't so hard but getting them into a song is like 😕.

I'm doing them on the 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, and 12th frets on the high E string. They sound fine but they all come out in non-consecutive pitches. How do people put them into songs and stuff? And is it possible to hammer on/pull off with harmonics?
 
Yea it is called pinched harmonics, same note but sounds much 'higher' and dramatic with a squeal.

I wish I could do it on cue. 🙁
 
I was reading through the guide Garth linked me, and got to this page and tried some of the crap there. It's actually starting to sound like something someone would actuaally play :thumbsup:

Now I just need to be able to play them when I want 😛
 
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Alright...doing them isn't so hard but getting them into a song is like 😕.

I'm doing them on the 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, and 12th frets on the high E string.
You're doing them while fretting a note with your left hand and hitting the string with part of your thumb on your picking hand at the same time, right? If you fret different notes, you will have to adjust the place where you attack the string with your pick/thumb.

They sound fine but they all come out in non-consecutive pitches. How do people put them into songs and stuff?
They just add them willy-nilly for the most part. If you're very careful and deliberate, you can use them as part of a primary melody, but you'll need to figure out the necessary position with your pick-attack to ring the harmonic for whatever note it is that you're fretting.

And is it possible to hammer on/pull off with harmonics?
Not really. Occasionally you can get a sustained harmonic with a hammer-on, but even then it'll be so faint as to be irrelevant. You can bend the hell out of them though, and cool stuff can be done with pinch harmonics and a whammy bar.

-Garth

 
I'm getting it now, I've just been practicing that webpage for last 20 mins.

A question. In order to perform pinched harmonics, you have to hold the pick REALLY close to the thumb... then how do you switch from that to normal holding while doing solos?

That seems to be the biggest stumbling block.
 
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Alright...doing them isn't so hard but getting them into a song is like 😕.

I'm doing them on the 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, and 12th frets on the high E string. They sound fine but they all come out in non-consecutive pitches. How do people put them into songs and stuff? And is it possible to hammer on/pull off with harmonics?

those are "normal" harmonics, rather than pinch harmonics. you can also get harmonics in multiple places between the 2nd and 3rd frets! as for getting them into a song, the song needs to be in a key that those notes will work for.

or you can do like me and just tune strings to make the harmonics you want. 🙂 not so good for live performances, though.
 
Originally posted by: jEct2
I'm getting it now, I've just been practicing that webpage for last 20 mins.

A question. In order to perform pinched harmonics, you have to hold the pick REALLY close to the thumb... then how do you switch from that to normal holding while doing solos?

That seems to be the biggest stumbling block.

help me bitches. 😉 Where's corp rec when i need him
 
Originally posted by: jEct2
Originally posted by: jEct2
I'm getting it now, I've just been practicing that webpage for last 20 mins.

A question. In order to perform pinched harmonics, you have to hold the pick REALLY close to the thumb... then how do you switch from that to normal holding while doing solos?

That seems to be the biggest stumbling block.

help me bitches. 😉 Where's corp rec when i need him

I usually keep my finger in the same position when I play normally and use a pinched harmonic. I just change the way I pick the string, instead. Regularly, I pick it straight down/up. When I go to do a p.h. I normall roll my thumb down slightly and use a slightly curved motion when picking it. It's kinda hard to explain. I hope you understand what i"m trying to explain.
 
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