GTX970 Coil whine issue continues to grow[PCPer]

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Wild Thing

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Looks like this problem isn't going away...
http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/GeForce-GTX-970-Coil-Whine-Concerns

NVidia suggests "Limiting your framerates with Afterburner".o_O
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-970-coil-whine/


The WCCFtech article says much more than your quote by Nvidia which is completely misleading.

If you’re having coil whine issues with your GTX 970 please let us know. If the noise is excessive you may attempt to RMA your card for a replacement. A more conservative approach would be trying to limit your framerates. If you’re using a 60Hz monitor make sure to maintain a 60FPS frame limit. You can achieve this via software like MSI Afterburner or if the game natively offers this option.


Read more: [URL="http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-970-coil-whine/#ixzz3HiyBe5ve"]http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-970-coil-whine/#ixzz3HiyBe5ve[/URL]​
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master_shake_

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oh noes coil whine!

you mean passing current though a conductor can cause noise?!

the hell you say.
 
Cookie Monster

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Im surprised this is happening because its most likely a design issue. They haven't put in enough margin for component tolerances for example. Its quite alarming that these AIB's can't spend enough time on designing a more robust VRM for their video cards while charging a fortune..

Its not really about no of phases and gazillion fans when a well thought out design can outright beat some of the monstrosities in the market today without all that overkill.
 
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Silverforce11

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It's because the reference 970 design is trash, as it was on the 670, also had coil whine issues (mine included). Never buy the short-half-pcb reference NV designs. o_O

Custom designs *should* have better components which don't result in an audible coil whine.

Also "Since all of the GTX 970 cards currently shipping are non-reference, custom built PCB designs, NVIDIA's input to the problem is one mostly of recommendations." This is untrue. You can buy the reference design blower variant, often a bit cheaper than custom models.
 
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escrow4

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I've never seen mention of VRM types and their quality when looking at spec lists sadly for GPUs. I assume that if you slap a quality fat old cooler on it, hammer a fat old overclock out of the box over the standard stock setup it should be decent with quality parts.
 
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RU482

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either send it back, or crack the shell and RTV it, or drop super glue in it if it isn't a sealed inductor
 
toyota

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Silverforce11 said:
It's because the reference 970 design is trash, as it was on the 670, also had coil whine issues (mine included). Never buy the short-half-pcb reference NV designs. o_O

Custom designs *should* have better components which don't result in an audible coil whine.

Also "Since all of the GTX 970 cards currently shipping are non-reference, custom built PCB designs, NVIDIA's input to the problem is one mostly of recommendations." This is untrue. You can buy the reference design blower variant, often a bit cheaper than custom models.
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there is no such thing as reference 970 as they are all custom. that was made pretty clear when the cards launched.
 
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Silverforce11 said:
Hmm, these different AIBs somehow all end up with the same crap half-pcb blower design. Sure, its not reference. Whatever floats your boat.
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call it whatever the heck you want to but that is NOT a reference 970 because there is NONE. have you even bothered looking at reviews instead of just making up crap? Nvidia left it up to partners to make their own designs and provided NO reference 970 cards. :rolleyes:


http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/09/19/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-review/1

If you've already worked your way though our GTX 980 review, then you'll know that unlike that card, Nvidia is not producing a reference model of the GTX 970, the second enthusiast-grade Maxwell part that replaces the GTX 770 in the product stack. The images on this page do not reflect a ready to buy product. Instead, Nvidia's AICs will be able to purchase the GPU and memory chips, but after that it's up to them, and this will undoubtedly lead to a high degree of variability when it comes to PCB and cooler design as well as factory overclocks.
 
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SPBHM

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the first card I had with some kind of annoying "whine" was an FX 5900 from EVGA, but it was really bad, even mouse movement on windows would cause it to whine, after that most of my cards produced some kind of "whine", but normally only under ultra high framerates, only happening on game menus and such, or some very specific tests, but not during regular gaming/usage, a framerate cap or vsync solves the problem on these cards,

I'm not sure about what's going with the 970s, if it's only during 1000+ FPS situation I would consider it to be "OK"
 
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Silverforce11 said:
Hmm, these different AIBs somehow all end up with the same crap half-pcb blower design. Sure, its not reference. Whatever floats your boat.
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Not reference. Companies are reusing the blower off of another model perhaps. Nvidia did not release a reference design. This has been stated by multiple websites already. Don't get angry just because you were wrong. It is okay to be wrong sometimes. Character is how you handle it.
 
Cookie Monster

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RU482 said:
Or it means the coil was wound loosely, and there is absolutely no problem other than the audible noise
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I kind of doubt that.. mainly because of how tight these things are wound in the first place. If your system is rock stable, your inductors shouldn't be make any audible noise to even begin with. Concealing it with glue or adhesive to absorb the vibration is one thing where as this issue shouldn't really be there in such products to begin with. It'd be like your phone wall charger suddenly screaming due to the coil whine.. poor design+Q/A to me.

Its interesting how the VRM gets neglected abit since alot of heat is being dissipated by the VRM (so it adds to the video cards power consumption) and not only that but the output voltage of it is whats feeding into the GPU i.e. noise/ripple will all be reliant on the quality of the VRM. This could potentially affect overclocks/stability of the GPU under different loads. Having many phases and expensive components dont mean diddly squat if one can't stabilize it with proper design. Even with cheap components it can be done.

I guess im just frustrated about such issues still at large in the year 2014 on very expensive electronic products manufactured and designed (boards) by well known AIBs.
 
ShintaiDK

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Just google around. And you find every single graphics card from AMD and nVidia with coil whine. Specially the higher end cards.

The question begs why its still an issue in 2014.
 
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Silverforce11

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digitaldurandal said:
Not reference. Companies are reusing the blower off of another model perhaps. Nvidia did not release a reference design. This has been stated by multiple websites already. Don't get angry just because you were wrong. It is okay to be wrong sometimes. Character is how you handle it.
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That's not my point. Whether its an NV sanctioned "reference" design or not, its the same card for multiple brands, a half-PCB blower that's essentially re-used from the gtx 670 reference.

To be more accurate to please the semantic police, I would have to refer to it as the GTX670 reference design.

EVGA: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php...=29312&zenid=3881b8a044a120dc28932738b34c192a

Gainward: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php...=29359&zenid=3881b8a044a120dc28932738b34c192a

Galax(y): http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php...=29120&zenid=3881b8a044a120dc28932738b34c192a

To anyone who has owned a crap reference 670, the similarities are striking.
 
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I believe that the 670 PCB is actually reused. The "Heatkiller" full coverage WB is listed as compatible for, "Compatible for: Nvidia GTX 970 (Referendesign), Nvidia GTX 760 (reference design), Nvidia GTX 670 (reference design)"
 
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Silverforce11

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3DVagabond said:
I believe that the 670 PCB is actually reused. The "Heatkiller" full coverage WB is listed as compatible for, "Compatible for: Nvidia GTX 970 (Referendesign), Nvidia GTX 760 (reference design), Nvidia GTX 670 (reference design)"
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Well, that certainly settles it.

It IS the reference design, for the 670.

NV doesn't need to come up with a reference design for the 970 because they don't need to. The crap 670 will do just fine.
 
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ITT: People who want to blame Nvidia and do not understand that AIBs are making the decisions about the PCB themselves. And what that means that the cards are custom cards.

An AIB reusing an older design has nothing to do with Nvidia, NV didn't tell them to put 970s on 670 PCBs.

Also fun fact: It's not those short PCB 970s that are the issue anyway. The MSI gaming cards (full length custom PCB) seem to be the worst offenders.
 
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96Firebird

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Alatar said:
ITT: People who want to blame Nvidia and do not understand that AIBs are making the decisions about the PCB themselves. And what that means that the cards are custom cards.

An AIB reusing an older design has nothing to do with Nvidia, NV didn't tell them to put 970s on 670 PCBs.

Also fun fact: It's not those short PCB 970s that are the issue anyway. The MSI gaming cards (full length custom PCB) seem to be the worst offenders.
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Yeah, but why be logical when you can just blame Nvidia?! :whiste:

My coil whine went away, so I'm happy as a clam. Except I might have to revisit the issue when my step-up gets approved...
 
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Silverforce11

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An AIB reusing an older design has nothing to do with Nvidia, NV didn't tell them to put 970s on 670 PCBs.
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Let's be honest, you don't know that. Nor do I or most anyone here. So let's not speculate on such an unknown and deal with facts.

The facts are, we have multiple AIB brands that did just that.

If you think that AIBs make cards without inputs from the GPU vendor, that's your prerogative.
 
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96Firebird

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Silverforce11 said:
Let's be honest, you don't know that. Nor do I or most anyone here. So let's not speculate on such an unknown and deal with facts.

The facts are, we have multiple AIB brands that did just that.

If you think that AIBs make cards without inputs from the GPU vendor, that's your prerogative.
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In the first sentence, you say don't speculate.

In the second sentence, you state facts.

In the third sentence, you lead to speculation... :sneaky:
 
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