GTX480 screenshot of 3dMark 06, anyone got a 5870 to compare?

[Tempered81]

Hey theres a screenshot of gtx480 (with 512 shaders) running 3dmark 06 feature tests with a 4.2ghz core i7 920. Does anyone have a 5870 + 4ghz+ core i7 that can run 3dmark 2006 feature test suite at 1920 x 1200 or 1080p so that we can make a comparison of vertex, texture, & pixel power?

GTX4803dmark2006

thanks

 

[v8envy]

It'll have to be 3mark06 pro, that benchmark was run at an appropriate 1920x1200 resolution.

Also looking like the PSU in that machine is starting to struggle a bit even at idle. Voltages looking slightly low across the board.

 

[AndroidVageta]

Skeptical...why oh why would you blur all the video card information out? I mean, REALLY?! Who is going to leak GTX480 results and then be faithful enough to Nvidia to hide the specs (a bit ass backwards isnt it?)...whats the point? Its not like we dont know the specs already...damn this shit is dumb!

 

[Tempered81]

not like we dont know the specs already...damn this shit is dumb!

haha I agree! Like when phk released all those 470 benches watermarked "4x0"... Like we couldn't tell.

But I like this bench for two reasons. 1. we can compare it nicely to a 5870. and 2. its showing 512 shaders, which hopefully settles the debate between 480 or 512 sp's.

 

[AndroidVageta]

Its a good benchmark if its even real...like I said, this hiding game needs to end, all it does, in my eyes at least, is shoot down the credibility a lot...how can this person expect people to believe his results when he doesnt even give us proof that its real? I mean, all of this could be done in MSPaint...make some 5870 results on an overclocked card then just cut and paste a Nvidia logo for GPU-Z...not only that, but I didnt know that GPU-z had been updated to support the GTX4x0 line of cards...

 

[Tempered81]

well almost got one from chicken feed @ xs. It's not exact, the 5870 is oc'd and the i7 is at 4.0ghz, but its close. You can compare fps, shader 2, shader 3 scores, texture, pixel, texel, etc:

http://i42.tinypic.com/xasbhe.jpg

 

[evolucion8]

There's a considerable difference between the GTX 480 and the HD 5870 in terms of texture fillrate power, a field that nVidia used to dominate soundly. Seems that this is gonna be GTX 280 vs HD 4870 but this time the gap is gonna be smaller. Even though 3DMark06 is so CPU bound, with such overclock it shows some subtle difference between both, interesting, looking forward for Anandtech's Fermi review.

 

[v8envy]

The other difference is: this time it could be 4890 vs 280.

Rumors have the 5890 refresh ready to be seen as early as April. No details on changes, but it's safe to assume a higher clock. It's ready to release, but currently there's no reason for such a product (read: the 58xx are selling out as fast as they're made).

 

[tviceman]

Rumors have the 5890 refresh ready to be seen as early as April. No details on changes, but it's safe to assume a higher clock. It's ready to release, but currently there's no reason for such a product (read: the 58xx are selling out as fast as they're made).

It's absurd to think there is no reason to release the 5890 if it was ready. AMD can release it now and charge more of a premium because there is absolutely no competition for it whatosever. It would fill the enormous price gap between the 5870 and 5970. Also, they can release it now and completely rain on Nvidia's Fermi parade before Fermi is even out the door, possibly barring nvidia from having the fastest single GPU.

Those three reasons alone trump any combination of reasons not to release it now.

 

[theAnimal]

Also looking like the PSU in that machine is starting to struggle a bit even at idle. Voltages looking slightly low across the board.

Software voltage readings are pointless, they need to be verified by a multimeter.

 

[Tempered81]

well now bsn says the GTX480 ships with 480 shaders, but some parts will have 512 shaders (quadro and tesla) and maybe a "Geforce" part. I guess if they go for a 512 geforce part it's gonna be "GTX 480 ultra", "GTX 480 core 512", "GTX 512", or "GTX 485" or something similar.

So many different parts now... but there rumored pricing is good.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

It's absurd to think there is no reason to release the 5890 if it was ready. AMD can release it now and charge more of a premium because there is absolutely no competition for it whatosever. It would fill the enormous price gap between the 5870 and 5970. Also, they can release it now and completely rain on Nvidia's Fermi parade before Fermi is even out the door, possibly barring nvidia from having the fastest single GPU.

Those three reasons alone trump any combination of reasons not to release it now.

-Agreed 100%. However, just like Nvidia crapped on the 4890 launch with the GTX 275, ATI may have already seeded ES 5890 boards with trusted reviewers under strict NDA until Nvidia launches its line, while they build up stock.

5890 gets paper launched alongside 480/470, actually shows up on shelves a month or two later + price drop on the 5870/5850 if the lower end of the pricing rumors are true. You'd want to keep it a secret too, not to stifle current sales. That's what I'd do, anyway, although god knows if ATI is competent enough to launch-crap on Nvidia's parade.

 

[Udgnim]

It's absurd to think there is no reason to release the 5890 if it was ready. AMD can release it now and charge more of a premium because there is absolutely no competition for it whatosever. It would fill the enormous price gap between the 5870 and 5970. Also, they can release it now and completely rain on Nvidia's Fermi parade before Fermi is even out the door, possibly barring nvidia from having the fastest single GPU.

Those three reasons alone trump any combination of reasons not to release it now.

is it so hard to believe that ATI would prefer to know how Fermi preforms and is priced before releasing what will likely be the 5890?

 

[v8envy]

Would you have bought an X1800XT for $500 knowing the performance of the X1900XT coming in a few weeks? People are lining up in droves to pay over $400 for a 5870 today.

The market for over-$400 cards is not big enough for as many SKUs as you see under $100. Heck, the gaping hole between the 5770 and 5850 is *still* there in spite of the asstastic 5830, and IMO that's far more of a problem. If you need more performance than a 5870 then fork over for a 5970. There's no reason to sabotage those sales with another product.

 

[Daedalus685]

Would you have bought an X1800XT for $500 knowing the performance of the X1900XT coming in a few weeks? People are lining up in droves to pay over $400 for a 5870 today.

The market for over-$400 cards is not big enough for as many SKUs as you see under $100. Heck, the gaping hole between the 5770 and 5850 is *still* there in spite of the asstastic 5830, and IMO that's far more of a problem. If you need more performance than a 5870 then fork over for a 5970. There's no reason to sabotage those sales with another product.

I agree, though I have been under the impression for a while that the 5770 will be refreshed along side the 5870. The 5830 is less great than I ideally wanted to see, but it is just there short term to sell some dud cores. I would be surprised if a 5790 with roughly the same performance as the 5830 was not released within a month of a 5890. Some time in April would put them on time for the 6month refresh cycle.

I don't expect it for the Fermi launch though, but well before Fermi is in volumes at newegg. Price cuts to coincide with Fermi if they need to, 5890 'out of the blue' a month later.

 

[v8envy]

That could happen but I'd be surprised to see that. NV has no competitive midrange parts and probably won't have them for a long time. There's not even a lackluster 8600GT as filler to this generation's 8800GTX -- all the other parts are DX10. You either get an available 7400GS (G92 rebrands), an overpriced 7900GT (few remaining G200), the 8800GTX or the competition. If that was the case in 2007 you'd probably have seen a lot more 2600XTs sold as bad as they were.

Which means there's no pressure for ATI to compete with itself at the mainstream and mainstream performance segments. Picking between the 5770 (and the 10% faster 5830) or the 5850 may remain the only choice to make for a majority or gamers for a long, long while.

It is however a market opportunity. An NV card with performance midway between the 5770 at $140 and the 5850 at $310 would sell like hotcakes for around $200. I have high hopes for the coming NV mainstream card, in other words.

 

[Daedalus685]

The only thing that strikes me about a 5790 is why they would sit on it when in all respects would have to be a more profitable part than a 5830 (once yields improve). I never saw teh 5830 as more than a stop gap until the refresh, it is a hole that will still have to be properly plugged, and a much more important whole than 5870-5970.

Mind you, it would be fully expectable for this part to be on hold until the 460/450 comes out. I do expect to see it though, ATI knows where the gap is and I would be floored to see them leave it plugged with something that should very well be sold as a 5850 or 5870.

 

[betasub]

While yields on 5870/5850 are low, ATI will have spare GPUs to sell as 5830. Unless yields drastically improve, or ATI moves production away from 5870/5850, we can expect some sort of stop-gap to remain (5830 or some other variation). That limits what ATI can also release in the gap between 5770 and 5850.

 

[konakona]

I wonder how well 5830s are selling? I mean most anyone who follows the scene would find them underwhelming for what they cost... I know ATi is better off if they can sell any of those at all, but still.

 

[Voo]

I wonder how well 5830s are selling? I mean most anyone who follows the scene would find them underwhelming for what they cost... I know ATi is better off if they can sell any of those at all, but still.

The informed user market is what.. 1-2%? Just think about how well all those rebranded Nvidia cards sell and I'm sure they sell some 5830 as well.. are those in any OEM boxes?

 

[Meghan54]

It's absurd to think there is no reason to release the 5890 if it was ready. AMD can release it now and charge more of a premium because there is absolutely no competition for it whatosever. It would fill the enormous price gap between the 5870 and 5970. Also, they can release it now and completely rain on Nvidia's Fermi parade before Fermi is even out the door, possibly barring nvidia from having the fastest single GPU.

Those three reasons alone trump any combination of reasons not to release it now.

It's absurd to think there is a reason to release the 5890 today even if it was ready.

AMD could release it now and charge more of a premium because there is absolutely no competition for it whatsoever, except against themselves, which would steal sales of the 5870.

Ture, it would fill the enormous price gap between the 5870 and 5970, but it would give buyers no reason to consider either card, thus cannibalizing sales of both in preference to the 5890.

Also, they can release it on the day Fermi is released and completely rain on Nvidia's Fermi parade. To release it before Fermi is even out the door would only divert attention to it for the short term and allow Fermi to have its day in the sun, completely unchallenged.

And, of course, this doesn't take into consideration the rumored 4GB refresh of the 5970 that's supposed to be in the pipeline. And this is the card I think ATI is sitting on waiting for the Fermi release. A day after Fermi shoots its wad, the 4GB refresh of the 5970 is released, killing the 480.

 

[McWatt]

From the perspective of maximizing profit, i.e., the only perspective that matters to ATI, Meghan54 is precisely correct. Why release 5890 when they can already charge whatever they want for the competitionless 5870?

 

[konakona]

The informed user market is what.. 1-2%? Just think about how well all those rebranded Nvidia cards sell and I'm sure they sell some 5830 as well.. are those in any OEM boxes?

and therein is the paradox. someone who isn't very well informed would rather pick up an nvidia card with physx bling bling right? Not sure if the card appeals to 'uneducated masses' even. To us, it is an enthusiastic NO, goes without saying

 

[tviceman]

AMD could release it now and charge more of a premium because there is absolutely no competition for it whatsoever, except against themselves, which would steal sales of the 5870.

Ture, it would fill the enormous price gap between the 5870 and 5970, but it would give buyers no reason to consider either card, thus cannibalizing sales of both in preference to the 5890.

First of all, I don't believe it would cannibalize sales - not to the point where it would hurt their bottom dollar. BUT... If releasing a 5890 now would cannibalize sales of the 5870 and 5970 now (as you believe), the same would also be true whether or not Fermi is out. In that case, why release it at all?

Right now they're charging a premium for the 5870 and 5970. AMD would be better off to release a product that is $125 more than the 5870 and $175 cheaper than a 5970, but only 10-12% faster than to sit on it until there is competition and they're forced to release it at a lower price.

Also, by releasing it now Nvidia will never be able to have a parade. It will come out and be compared with AMD's fastest models - and if nvidia can't win at even single gpu comparisons then wouldn't that look even worse for nvidia's situaiton? Why even allow them 1 day of gratification?

From the perspective of maximizing profit, i.e., the only perspective that matters to ATI, Meghan54 is precisely correct. Why release 5890 when they can already charge whatever they want for the competitionless 5870?

Because they can release a 5890 NOW and also charge whatever they want for it. If they wait until Fermi and Fermi is competitively priced then they will no longer be able to charge whatever they want for it.

 

[tweakboy]

I think the 480 and the 5870 are very close in speed. You will not see a difference things are already soo fast.

You pay 300 dollar less for the ATI ,, hmmmm

How much is the cheapest ATI's flagship model, their top model as of now. ? 5870 , cuz I can sure smell a 5990 cooking and to be dinner plate ready lol when Fermi is out, slamming it in benchmarks lol, man this is gang green vs the big RED machine,, who will win who,,,,, gl