GTX460 or 6850 or 7770???????

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Ok but i dont plan to crossfire so still the 6850? I also want to know about drivers. I heard that the 7770 now gets way more support in terms of drivers, it outperforms the 6850 with the new drivers. Is it true? Is it more future proof?
 
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johnnysti08 said:
Ok but i dont plan to crossfire so still the 6850? I also want to know about drivers. I heard that the 7770 now gets way more support in terms of drivers, it outperforms the 6850 with the new drivers. Is it true? Is it more future proof?
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7770 1Ghz is not going to change much more, in terms of drivers. The 6850 is still included in the same pack, it will receive updates as well. The 6 series is not that old. It will be supported for awhile. And it's faster, and much more "brute" power so to say.

I actually just purchased a 7770 1Ghz for the Living room PC. Had I of been able to buy a 6850 in store when I was there, I would of taken that instead.
 
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Either the 460 or 6850. They are perfectly matched, each having their set of games they beat each other in.

460 v. 6850:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/542?vs=539

7770 v. 6850:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/23.html

Futureproofing goes over your budget, and is overrated, anyway.
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OK its seems like i should push for the 6850. Another thing though i see the gtx 460 is extremely cheap (Only $99), which had me concerned. Anyway i was thinking of buying 8gb ram one time for $45 to upgrade from my current 4gb. So i was wondering as well if it made sense to get the cheaper 460 to be able to comfortably buy the ram as well
 
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johnnysti08 said:
OK its seems like i should push for the 7770. Another thing though i see the gtx 460 is extremely cheap (Only $99), which had me concerned. Anyway i was thinking of buying 8gb ram one time for $45 to upgrade from my current 4gb. So i was wondering as well if it made sense to get the cheaper 460 to be able to comfortably buy the ram as well
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127687
Do the MIR. Then, buy RAM. You won't get as much out of OCing it as a GTX 460 or HD 6850, but you'll have more RAM.
 
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Unfortunately, where i live rebates doesn't make sense ill Ill end up spending more (Trinidad and Tobago-Caribbean)
 
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johnnysti08 said:
Unfortunately, where i live rebates doesn't make sense ill Ill end up spending more (Trinidad and Tobago-Caribbean)
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OK. With the plain Amazon and NE links, I figured you were from the U.S.

If you want to overclock to get the most out of it, a 6850 or 460 will be better. If not planning to OC, if any are significantly cheaper than the other, that would be the one to get, especially if it means getting to above 4GB of main system RAM sooner.

Keep in mind though, the 460 name has been applied to weaker cards, so verify the RAM bit width (256-bit) and core count (336). It could be a lesser version, in which case either Radeon would be better.
Here's an example of one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130690
 
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No im not planning to overclock. Is it ok if you direct me to a cheap gfx card that is on par with the cards mentioned?
 
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OK. With the plain Amazon and NE links, I figured you were from the U.S.
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If you want to overclock to get the most out of it, a 6850 or 460 will be better. If not planning to OC, if any are significantly cheaper than the other, that would be the one to get, especially if it means getting to above 4GB of main system RAM sooner.

Keep in mind though, the 460 name has been applied to weaker cards, so verify the RAM bit width (256-bit) and core count (336). It could be a lesser version, in which case either Radeon would be better.
Here's an example of one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130690
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Ah i see, i think ill go with the 7770 thanks so much for your help!!
 
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HD7770 easily.

The HD6850 and GTX460 might be faster in older DX9 games, but in DX10 / DX11 games, the HD7770 is faster, sometimes by enough margin to trade blows with the HD6870 / GTX560. 3DMark11, with 12.11 or newer drivers the HD7770 is scoring close to P4000 graphics score. I have used both (HD7770 and HD6850) and the HD7770 indeed does better in FC3 and BF3. Add the lower price, lower consumption and lower noise, and it is hard to go against it ;)
 
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HD7770 easily.

The HD6850 and GTX460 might be faster in older DX9 games, but in DX10 / DX11 games, the HD7770 is faster, sometimes by enough margin to trade blows with the HD6870 / GTX560. 3DMark11, with 12.11 or newer drivers the HD7770 is scoring close to P4000 graphics score. I have used both (HD7770 and HD6850) and the HD7770 indeed does better in FC3 and BF3. Add the lower price, lower consumption and lower noise, and it is hard to go against it ;)
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Great thanks alot!!!!! 7770 it is!
 
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alexruiz said:
HD7770 easily.

The HD6850 and GTX460 might be faster in older DX9 games, but in DX10 / DX11 games, the HD7770 is faster, sometimes by enough margin to trade blows with the HD6870 / GTX560. 3DMark11, with 12.11 or newer drivers the HD7770 is scoring close to P4000 graphics score. I have used both (HD7770 and HD6850) and the HD7770 indeed does better in FC3 and BF3. Add the lower price, lower consumption and lower noise, and it is hard to go against it ;)
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No its not... look at all the benches i listed. The 6850 is faster.
 
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I had a 6850; it died and I replaced it with a NVIDIA 650Ti.
It was ~$110 - look at it for another option.
It's usually a few FPS faster than the 6850.
 
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I'd go for the GTX 460 1GB. They overclock very well on default voltage. I am biased, though, because I'm still using 2 of them in SLI and I can still play Crysis 3 at over 60 fps at 1680x1050.
 
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No its not... look at all the benches i listed. The 6850 is faster.
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I have been one of those who advocates that benchmarks are like car loans applications, you better read the fine print to understand how the number was generated.

The AT bench numbers are over 1 year old, if my memory serves me right they were compiled using catalyst 12.2. Cat 12.2 provided improvements for GCN GPUs after the launch drivers, hence why in the numbers at the AT bench the HD7770 is trading blows with the HD6850 (loses wearhead, wins civ V) but after cat 12.2, we had cat 12.6, cat 12.8, cat 12.11 specially, and finally cat 13.2b6; all with improvements for GCN.

The AT bench shows the HD6850 slightly ahead in BF3, and let me tell you as someone who has used both, there is no way a HD6850 is faster than a HD7770 in BF3, specially after cat 12.11. More recent benchmarks prove it. The Techpower up numbers are heavily influenced by DX9 games like diablo 3, where even a Juniper Radeon is right there with a cape verde (HD5770 vs HD7770) so the HD6850 wins big. But move to more modern games, and even in the 128bits bus, GCN pulls ahead.

Any of the 3 cards will do fine, the HD6850 and GTX460 were game changers when they launched. The HD7770 just happens to be newer, so runs cooler, less noisier and yes, it is faster.
 
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Any of them pre-OCed will beat any other not pre-OCed.

At stock, a 6850 will be faster than a 7770, but by like 5-10% on average, and both the 6850 and GTX 460 OC very well. Also, both companies seem to have gotten their drivers in order (nV took until 301.xx, which is pretty recent, but they've been great since then). Each will have games they do better and worse in, too (7770 is newer and more efficient, while the 460 and 6850 have more bandwidth).

All at the same cost, I would pick up a 6850, but with a cost difference of >$10, and no user OCing, whichever one was cheaper would be better, so long as it wasn't a GTX 460 192-bit (there were 1GB ones) or <336 core. Alternatively, one with a 10% or better pre-OC (like Sapphire's 7770 at 1.1GHz) for the same cost as stock speed would be nice, too, for a non-overclocking user.

They are a set of cards made specifically to compete with one another, and they are, as a result, nearly tied in overall performance.
 
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I think ill go with the 7770. I found one online for $120, which core clock is 1100mhz nad 5000 effective memory clock
 
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