GTX295 vs 4870X2

[Wreckage]

http://en.expreview.com/2008/1...-x2-who-is-better.html

n the top 5 games, GeForce GTX295 outperforms Radeon HD4870 X2 under 4X AA and 2560X1600 resolution. The superiority nearly achieves 100% in Dead Space.

:shocked:



Well this one went places...

Locking it down since any discussion of the two cards has long since played out at this point.

- AmberClad (Video Mod)

 

[chizow]

Wow tons of info in there, basically confirms all the leaked info from before but gives hard specs. Its basically GTX 270 in SLI. No surprise really that it outperforms the 4870X2, as GTX 260 SLI generally scales much better than 4870CF. Key things to note here are that it uses less power than 4870X2 but more than the 9800GX2 (250W official TDP from google). From what I remember from reviews and user reports, the 9800GX2s ran pretty hot, but the GTX 295 cooler also looks to be improved. Should be interesting!

 

[SickBeast]

Why is it clocked so low when it's built on their new 55nm process? I'm guessing due to the fact that they've sandwiched two cards in there?

It doesn't beat the 4870x2 by all that much in most cases. Dead Space was an anomaly.

 

[dguy6789]

I expected two of the Nvidia cards to beat two of the Ati cards by a similar % that they do in single card solutions, and that seems to be the case. Nothing out of the ordinary here.

 

[akugami]

Looks like a good card (pending price). The 100% faster than a 4870 X2 is sensationalism. It's in one game and from the rest of the benchmark preview points to an anomaly. Even if the 295 just works awesome for that one game, it's not like the 4870 X2 is sucking when it averages over 60 FPS. The thing I find questionable is the PhysX preview when we all know AMD's stance on PhysX.

So it looks like a very good card but pending price, it may or may not be a good value. If it sells for more than about $50 above the average retail price of a 4870 X2 then I have to question whether it is a good buy.

Either way not for me. I'm done with $400+ video cards. The absolute top price I will pay for a video card is $300-350.

 

[thilanliyan]

Why did they do a PhysX test? That's like putting me in a ring with Muhammed Ali (in his prime ) and saying "lol you got your ass kicked"...well duh??!!

 

[JPB]

Maybe ill just end up stepping up to the sandwich card then.

RELEASE IT ALREADY !!

 

[nemesismk2]

The problem is that it's unlikely to be GTX295 vs 4870X2 but GTX295 vs 4870X2 OC

 

[OCGuy]

Yes it looks like "the crown" will be back with nV for a while.

They will have to take a different approach for the next-gen in order to keep it, however. Can they really shrink + sandwich every round and still be in the race?

 

[MrK6]

Wow, underwhelming to say the least. NVIDIA has had how many months to come out with something to topple the 4870X2 and that's all they have? Was the 55nm process a pain in the ass for them (serious question)? I guess we'll have to see when this card is released. Two things I don't like are the lower clock speeds and high TDP, which both scream cooling issues. It will also be interesting to see what this card does to the price of the 4870X2 .

 

[Tempered81]

cant wait to see an january review from anand, techreport, guru3d, or canucks

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: MrK6
Wow, underwhelming to say the least. NVIDIA has had how many months to come out with something to topple the 4870X2 and that's all they have? Was the 55nm process a pain in the ass for them (serious question)? I guess we'll have to see when this card is released. Two things I don't like are the lower clock speeds and high TDP, which both scream cooling issues. It will also be interesting to see what this card does to the price of the 4870X2 .

Do you know how long it takes to design + produce + launch a GPU?


The fact that they are overtaking the x2 with a shrink + sandwich, not a "next gen" chip isnt underwhelming. If this was the GTX380 or whatever the heck the next one is called, I would be a little disappointed.

The clocks dont look too low, either. Some reports have the core and memory at the exact specs as a vanilla 260.

 

[Tempered81]

- 40nm RV770 will challenge in Feb 2009?
source

Hardly any other component caused in recent times for as much attention as the refresh of the RV770. Now we have information that those already in 40nm could be manufactured. It is possible that the RV770 refresh at 40nm will be manufactured. The refresh of the RV770 was the first half of 2008 from AMD Chris Hook announced. This is under the name of Radeon HD4900 sold.To this end, we have received the message that the drivers for the Refresh GPU (RV775 or any RV790/RV770XTX) already included in Catalyst 9.2 should be. This suggests that the RV770 refresh in February already on the market. Over this period we reported already.Whether such information is something we will soon know.

GTX 260, GTX280 GTX285, GTX295 Operating Speeds

 

[SSChevy2001]

We seriously need to see how these cards perform with games that have been properly optimized for both companies. Back in Nov it was said that these titles wouldn't be optimized properly until ATi's 9.1 driver release.

With all that power why aren't there any 8xAA benchmarks?

PhysX benchmarks were added for what reason? What's interesting though is that it takes 2 GPUs to run cryostasis without any AA.

Overall I'm not impressed with card.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001

With all that power why aren't there any 8xAA benchmarks?

because most people can't tell the difference between 4x and 8x

PhysX benchmarks were added for what reason?

Because it's the latest greatest game technology. Which is why people buy video cards over $3

Overall I'm not impressed with card.

You may never be.

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Why is it clocked so low when it's built on their new 55nm process? I'm guessing due to the fact that they've sandwiched two cards in there?

It doesn't beat the 4870x2 by all that much in most cases. Dead Space was an anomaly.

We know 65nm singles easily oc 50+ on core and 100+ on shaders. Cooler performance will weigh in; and the cooler looks pretty good. It's venting outside the case and has plenty of PCB cover ventillation. With attention to cooler fan and decent air movng across the card, who knows what dual 55nm can do. Great pictures expose a solid cooler design. I'm wagering it'll oc fairly well..

 

[SSChevy2001]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
because most people can't tell the difference between 4x and 8x

Or maybe because it's another bias review, what you think about that?

Because it's the latest greatest game technology. Which is why people buy video cards over $3

Point is those benchmarks prove nothing. Your comparing a card that's maxing out it's GPU power, against a card that's just idling.

You may never be.

It's nothing more than 2 stock c216 cards sandwich together. Atleast with the 4870x2 both cores fit nicely on a single PCB.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001

Originally posted by: Wreckage
because most people can't tell the difference between 4x and 8x

Or maybe because it's another bias review, what you think about that?

Because it's the latest greatest game technology. Which is why people buy video cards over $3

Point is those benchmarks prove nothing. Your comparing a card that's maxing out it's GPU power, against a card that's just idling.

You may never be.

It's nothing more than 2 stock c216 cards sandwich together. Atleast with the 4870x2 both cores fit nicely on a single PCB.

Which matters to who? Dont 99.9% of people care about performance over how a card is designed?

Its OK, ATi will go for the crown again. Life will go on.

 

[Hauk]

It's actually a hybrid, combining 240sp cores with the 260 bus..

 

[zerocool84]

I'll wait for some real reviews.

 

[Elfear]

I'm not too surprised by the preliminary results. It happens every time. One company will release their uber halo product and capture the crown for awhile and then the other company will follow suit. Nvidia had it easy with the G80/G92 for an unusual amount of time but the market looks to have fallen back into the old pattern now with new victors every 3-6 months. Hopefully that trend will continue so prices stay low for us consumers.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001
Or maybe because it's another bias review, what you think about that?

Stay tuned SS, good news for all gamers coming soon!

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001
It's nothing more than 2 stock c216 cards sandwich together. Atleast with the 4870x2 both cores fit nicely on a single PCB.

I don't know why you'd say that when the review says the cores are 240SPs.

As far as "fitting nicely on a PCB" goes:
If the performance numbers are true, why would anyone care about that??????

If this card outperforms the 4870X2, runs cooler, uses less power, has more flexible drivers, and offers Physx, CUDA, and stereo, do you really think single PCB and DX10.1 will tip things in ATi's favor?

 

[BFG10K]

Another sandwich solution I'll be avoiding. :thumbsdown:

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Another sandwich solution I'll be avoiding. :thumbsdown:

You were waiting for 55nm, will you step-up to 285?

 

[BFG10K]

Step up? I don't think Galaxy offers that option.